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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Pyrovores.

Your move.

Purgator Squads. Same cost as Strike Squads but aren't ObjSec, same option for 4 weapons as Purifiers but lacking any other benefits of Purifiers, and compete with Dreadknights.

You don't have to take 10 to get 4 weapons, unlike the Purifiers. If you want 4 Heavy Incinerators in a Drop Pod, Purgators can do it cheaper.

But they compete with Dreadknights.

 Deadshot wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Pyrovores.

Your move.

Purgator Squads. Same cost as Strike Squads but aren't ObjSec, same option for 4 weapons as Purifiers but lacking any other benefits of Purifiers, and compete with Dreadknights.

You don't have to take 10 to get 4 weapons, unlike the Purifiers. If you want 4 Heavy Incinerators in a Drop Pod, Purgators can do it cheaper.

But they compete with Dreadknights.

That's just a worse unit, not one that literally has no point.

 Deadshot wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Pyrovores.

Your move.

Purgator Squads. Same cost as Strike Squads but aren't ObjSec, same option for 4 weapons as Purifiers but lacking any other benefits of Purifiers, and compete with Dreadknights.

Pyrovore counter.

50 point Heavy Flamer that does collateral damage to units near it when it dies. Not any faster than normal infantry. Model also costs £20+!

In the same Force Org slot as....

Lictors, Zoanthropes, Venomthropes and Malanthropes to name the 'quality' units.

Looted Wagon= 1 gorkanaut

Yet to play against anyone who lets my looted wagon unit composition to equal 1 gorkanaut

I don't play no more so not sure how the rules work anymore.

How about Tyranids Shadow of the Warp? When a hive approaches a planet a lot if not all the psychers go nuts. But in game SitW doesn't diddly squat rules wise.

So I guess once the Nids are on the planets all the psychers become ok and can preform perfectly in battle. shouldn't they be having a harder time casting psychic powers?

That's largely due to edition change. SOTW was a decent rule back when you used leadership to cast, not warp charges.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
That's largely due to edition change. SOTW was a decent rule back when you used leadership to cast, not warp charges.

It lasted what a month maybe 2 before the rule became CRAP? lol

CSM: Mutilators......
Skitarii: Data-tether. Complete useless.

Belakor's Shadow Form has him auto pass Dangerous Terrain tests... but he is a Flying Monsterous Creature with Move through Cover, which auto passes Dangerous anyway.

Davor wrote:
I don't play no more so not sure how the rules work anymore.

How about Tyranids Shadow of the Warp? When a hive approaches a planet a lot if not all the psychers go nuts. But in game SitW doesn't diddly squat rules wise.

So I guess once the Nids are on the planets all the psychers become ok and can preform perfectly in battle. shouldn't they be having a harder time casting psychic powers?

Debuffing leadership on Psyker's is pretty handy, I don't know why you're saying it does diddly squat. Look at Psychic Shriek/Scream, which deals damaged based on opposed Leadership tests.
And when they Perils, they have to take Leadership tests...

So yea, the rule still represents Psykers going nuts.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
AoBF in C:CSM gives rage, but requires MoK to take, which gives rage.

That's 100% more rage!

Learn ta maff krectly! Rage squared!


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Some of the DA character wargear doesn't quite make sense.

Ezekiel, best librarian the DA have to offer? Sure he has the fancy ability to make everyone better in close combat but..... limited to a crappy sword and bolt pistol, can't do anything whatsoever against vehicles, hates Sammael (refuses to ride a bike to accompany the ravenwing), and, best of all..... can't get an invulnerable save.

Meanwhile, a run of the mill librarian can: get a 4+ invuln, get melta bombs, can pick any kind of force weapon and wield the crazy powerful mace of redemption, get better guns (including foe smiter), get FNP/shroud, ride a bike....

 MarsNZ wrote:
AoBF in C:CSM gives rage, but requires MoK to take, which gives rage.

Thats designed this way so that D Princes of Khorne gets rage with the Axe.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
AoBF in C:CSM gives rage, but requires MoK to take, which gives rage.

Thats designed this way so that D Princes of Khorne gets rage with the Axe.

but by the codex they don't have Mark of Khorne so can't take the axe! Fortunately an Errata resolves that problem.

I always had fun with Dark Apostle RAGE-RAGE running his squad of Berzerkers up the board behind a rhino. Friendly play only!

nareik wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
AoBF in C:CSM gives rage, but requires MoK to take, which gives rage.

Thats designed this way so that D Princes of Khorne gets rage with the Axe.

but by the codex they don't have Mark of Khorne so can't take the axe! Fortunately an Errata resolves that problem.

I always had fun with Dark Apostle RAGE-RAGE running his squad of Berzerkers up the board behind a rhino. Friendly play only!

Yes, they errated it rather than FAQ because they intended DPoK to be able to take it but either forgot to put it in or changed DPs at last minute, or changed MoK last minute.

Honor guard have the option to replace their bolt pistols with a close combat weapon. Ruleswise, it doesn't really make sense.

Traditio wrote:
Honor guard have the option to replace their bolt pistols with a close combat weapon. Ruleswise, it doesn't really make sense.

Chapter Champions do, not Honour Guard, and its an option purely because the Chapter Champion model is the UM one that comes with Calgar, which has a power sword and combat blade. The option exists purely to make that model legal as is.

I've always disliked the fact that my Chaos sorcerers can have Spell Familiars, but Ahriman - who's apparently the big cheese of spells, can't, and perils like a biznatch

GW's reworked Celestians come to mind, turned from a WS4/I4 (which had a special rule to make sure they hit other high-WS units easier) decent enough elite tarpit in to... whatever the hell S3/WS3/I3/A2 qualifies as.

Flayed Ones in the IA:12 Necron List
Rules state that for units YOU MUST USE THE MOST UP TO DATE RULES (Hence why the Escalation C'Tan is Obsolete the the Necron Codex one)
Anyway, Because if this, you must use the Codex:Necrons versions, which have Shred on their Claws.
In the IA:12 list, they may take 'Flensing Scarabs' for 10 points. This allows them to reroll to wound in the first turn of assault

Completely useless (However you do get to take the Flayed Ones as troops in that list!)

commander dante wrote:
Rules state that for units YOU MUST USE THE MOST UP TO DATE RULES (Hence why the Escalation C'Tan is Obsolete the the Necron Codex one)

Can you point us to this rule can be found?

 Ghaz wrote:

commander dante wrote:
Rules state that for units YOU MUST USE THE MOST UP TO DATE RULES (Hence why the Escalation C'Tan is Obsolete the the Necron Codex one)

Can you point us to this rule can be found?

Well isnt it general consensus that you have to use the rules for the model(s) that are in the most up-to-date book/pdf?

'General consensus' does not mean that it is what the rules say. There is literally no rule that says you must use the most current rules.

 Ghaz wrote:
'General consensus' does not mean that it is what the rules say. There is literally no rule that says you must use the most current rules.

In point of fact, with the recent Warzone Fenris book, there was a blurb saying that we could choose to use either the new Iron Priest Datasheet OR the older one. That's a counter example. I suspect GW wants us using whichever version of the rules cause us to buy more models.

But yeah, general consensus is that you should be using the latest version of a given publication. General consensus becomes murkier when datasheets with the same name and faction exist in multiple sources which are all currently for sale.

 Ghaz wrote:
'General consensus' does not mean that it is what the rules say. There is literally no rule that says you must use the most current rules.

So by that Logic i could use my stupidly broken unit with its old OP rules just because it was recently nerfed.
Yeah, I dont think that will ever happen

commander dante wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
'General consensus' does not mean that it is what the rules say. There is literally no rule that says you must use the most current rules.

So by that Logic i could use my stupidly broken unit with its old OP rules just because it was recently nerfed.
Yeah, I dont think that will ever happen

If your opponent agrees, then yes you can as there is no rule to the contrary. GW leaves it to the players to decide which rules to use in their games.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Codex inquisition:

Inquisitorial weapons, the Plasma Pistol costs 15 points whilst the Plasma Gun costs 10.

Everyone forgets that plasma pistols are cc weapons, the 5 points is because you can get +1 Attack when combined with another cc weapon.....

 sfshilo wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Codex inquisition:

Inquisitorial weapons, the Plasma Pistol costs 15 points whilst the Plasma Gun costs 10.

Everyone forgets that plasma pistols are cc weapons, the 5 points is because you can get +1 Attack when combined with another cc weapon.....

And are also Assault weapons vice Rapid Fire.

I guess this is GW's "implied consent" law/rule?

 sfshilo wrote:

Everyone forgets that plasma pistols are cc weapons, the 5 points is because you can get +1 Attack when combined with another cc weapon.....

No-one is forgetting. A laspistol is free, a bolt pistol is one point and they do the same thing. A plasma pistol is not 14 points better than a bolt pistol.
You get +1 attack when combined with a non specialist weapon- a powerfist, for example would not gain +1 attack.
We're mostly talking about s3, ws3 attacks here.

Plasmaguns are explicitly better in most situations because that extra 12 inches of range or that extra S7 AP2 shot will do more than walking up to the enemy and hitting them with the butt will.

 sfshilo wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Codex inquisition:

Inquisitorial weapons, the Plasma Pistol costs 15 points whilst the Plasma Gun costs 10.

Everyone forgets that plasma pistols are cc weapons, the 5 points is because you can get +1 Attack when combined with another cc weapon.....

I would agree except for the fact that an Adept (the only one whom has this choice) comes with a Laspistol and close combat weapon anyway. So all I am doing is purchasing a second pistol for him.