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 Massaen wrote:
Never mind - ignore

But... but... you took the time to post, and it would be incredibly impolite to just ignore you! Please! Share your thoughts! Let us revel in your wisdom, and thus, all be enlightened! Share with us brother!

After hearing that Roboute was making a comeback (but don't call it a comeback!), and cast about looking at the feasibility of making an Ultramarines army. I planned on 1500 out of 2000 points, thinking he would be around 500. Boy, was I wrong on that one! So instead, I have a 1850 army with a very, very good Primarch to anchor it with.

Is he good? Depends. Ask a Deamon player when they throw Skarbrand or some other Greater Deamon on the table how good it is. The answer is, yes*.

*Yes as long as you take the right army to support them, and yes if you play at least somewhat skillfully.

 Insectum7 wrote:

I don't know the Culexus rules off the top of my head, but I'd guess that Magnus could just charge him and murder him. Besides being a psyker, Magnus is also a huge monster.

At WS 1. Shooting at the Culexus is also at BS 1.

And the thing is? A CSM detachment that heavily features Magnus? Is going to be psyker heavy. It's going to be the Culexus' wet dream of targets he can Instant Death off the face of the board with ease.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

I don't know the Culexus rules off the top of my head, but I'd guess that Magnus could just charge him and murder him. Besides being a psyker, Magnus is also a huge monster.

At WS 1. Shooting at the Culexus is also at BS 1.

And the thing is? A CSM detachment that heavily features Magnus? Is going to be psyker heavy. It's going to be the Culexus' wet dream of targets he can Instant Death off the face of the board with ease.

Or use as batteries for his psyocculum.

Not that I'd necessarily pit him against Magnus himself.

 Fafnir wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

I don't know the Culexus rules off the top of my head, but I'd guess that Magnus could just charge him and murder him. Besides being a psyker, Magnus is also a huge monster.

At WS 1. Shooting at the Culexus is also at BS 1.

And the thing is? A CSM detachment that heavily features Magnus? Is going to be psyker heavy. It's going to be the Culexus' wet dream of targets he can Instant Death off the face of the board with ease.

Or use as batteries for his psyocculum.

Not that I'd necessarily pit him against Magnus himself.

And that's the thing. It's a single 140 point model.

If it can literally deny a 24 inch bubble from my opponent's 650 point FMC LoW Warlord and force him to the outskirts of the table with powers that average between 18-24" in range then I'd consider that a bloody good investment.

And that's assuming you don't also slot in a small Sisters of Silence detachment (which to be honest might be a decent investment for an Imperial army considering how Psyker heavy Eldar are - especially since their forthcoming book seems to also give them Rhinos).

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

I don't know the Culexus rules off the top of my head, but I'd guess that Magnus could just charge him and murder him. Besides being a psyker, Magnus is also a huge monster.

At WS 1. Shooting at the Culexus is also at BS 1.

And the thing is? A CSM detachment that heavily features Magnus? Is going to be psyker heavy. It's going to be the Culexus' wet dream of targets he can Instant Death off the face of the board with ease.

I knew I forgot something. Unfortunately the WS rolls top out at a 5+ to hit, and with Magnus at 6 Attacks and S 8 doubling out the Assassin, chances are Magnus will still pull him in half in a round. Since Magnus can't be ID'd, the Culexus isn't doing too much damage back.

A Culexus is awesome at sniping out support models for sure, although to charge his battery he wants to be near the Chaos army. In which case the best counter is. . . ?

But that's the thing, they're not expecting the assassin to duel magnus in to submission. Just nullify a huge swath of his abilities for cheap.

Which... he does.

Girlyman is a very solid choice.

 Melissia wrote:
But that's the thing, they're not expecting the assassin to duel magnus in to submission. Just nullify a huge swath of his abilities for cheap.

Which... he does.

Girlyman is a very solid choice.

Very solid is exactly how I'd classify him.

 Fafnir wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

I don't know the Culexus rules off the top of my head, but I'd guess that Magnus could just charge him and murder him. Besides being a psyker, Magnus is also a huge monster.

At WS 1. Shooting at the Culexus is also at BS 1.

And the thing is? A CSM detachment that heavily features Magnus? Is going to be psyker heavy. It's going to be the Culexus' wet dream of targets he can Instant Death off the face of the board with ease.

Or use as batteries for his psyocculum.

Not that I'd necessarily pit him against Magnus himself.

Just throw 10 Sisters of Silence at him, as well as an Xenos Inquisitor with Rad and Psychostroke grenades, then laugh as turns into a greasy stain.

He's never on the ground. Same reason my SG can't push around flyrants.

Complete lack of mobility means you depend on psychic powers to move him around, but most tournaments ban AOD so he's easily avoided.

Getting the command traits is rather meh, too. Everything would have to be close to an almost immobile unit to take advantage.

Magnus would vaporize him with D lasers.

 Melissia wrote:
But that's the thing, they're not expecting the assassin to duel magnus in to submission. Just nullify a huge swath of his abilities for cheap.

Which... he does.

I think in the context of an actual game he doesn't do so well against Magnus. Not that he's a bad take, but IMO the most valuable ability of the Culexus, by far, is the ability to shut down active blessings on a deathstar. Against a Bark Star, for example, the Culexus is brilliant. There are lots of primarily CC units that require those blessings to remain safe. Armies that are reliant on those units tend to be CC oriented and have to advance right into the range of the defending Culexus in order to be effective. The Culexus shines in those setups.

I don't think a well played Magnus fights in the same way though, the Culexus does little to protect against multiple D psychic powers. (The beams wont affect him, but they still affect everything around him, for example.)
The fact that Magnus flies is pretty similar to free Invisibility (most weapons only Snap Shot, immune to blasts and templates). Also because he flies, it's easy for him to avoid the Culexus bubble, and cast powers freely. He also has some sideways options available, like forcing the Culexus friendly units to shoot at it. IMO, for Magnus the Culexus is a speedbump.

 Melissia wrote:
Girlyman is a very solid choice.

He's big and slow. I have trouble imagining him in competitive play. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think his damage output is good enough for his points.

As an aside, as a natural Ultramarine player I'm not fond of him philosophically, and the whole big primarch thing is kinda dumb.

As an Imperium thing, I sorta enjoy a mecha-hitler, but that's a little different than how I'd prefer the Space Marine hero image to be. I am totally cool with a mecha-hitler leading Imperial Guard or Sisters, and I loved the old Throne of Judgement model. But as the "scalpel" of Imperial Forces, having a leader that can't embark on a vehicle is kind of obnoxious. (Maybe they can Drop Pod him like a Dreadnought? - thank god they didn't allow it in game)