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 Kanluwen wrote:
Dang. Just dang.

My Enforcers have to wait for next year. Oh well, means I can actually get what I own painted!

Enforcers have already got their supplemental set with the Subjugators. They are the only faction which has two boxes so far. They went first!

At least they confirmed the Prospects aren't replacing juves.

I think this is exciting stuff, though I'm still disappointed that they are leaning on ForgeWorld for so much of the content. I find the Orlock to be very bland, and this is an opportunity to flesh them out into something more than the Hipster Hair Club For Men (though if they don't have a skill called "mustache rides", I'll be disappointed).

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
At least they confirmed the Prospects aren't replacing juves.

I'm sure we'll find something else to argue about.

Ouch, The storm welder doesn't look like a cheap weapon. And reckless mean you'd probably want them to stay at the front shooting at enemies (and die) before you advance, and hope they don't get captured, so you can recover their weapon for the next Forge born.

 Sqorgar wrote:
Enforcers have already got their supplemental set with the Subjugators. They are the only faction which has two boxes so far. They went first!

Personally, I don't view Subjugators as "supplemental" so much as "upgraded unit that actually needs modeling". Wouldn't be shocked if further down the line they bundle the two sets together.

If I had to throw out a speculation as to what we might see for the Enforcers, it would be the mentioned "Monitor" or a pair of beefy Cybermastiffs and Handlers.

So Juves are confirmed to still exist, that should make (some) people happy. Although I'll be expecting to see variations of,

"Why are they making a kit for pseudo-Juves instead of actually making regular Juves???"

and

"Why are they making these pseudo-Juves more efficient than regular Juves, thus rendering regular Juves useless???"

before long.

Those Toughness/Wound regen abilities are extremely scary, sure hope they're not affordable enough to spam. High T can equate to near-invulnerability in this game, especially at the start of a campaign.

 Sqorgar wrote:
I'm sure we'll find something else to argue about.

No we won't.

 Altruizine wrote:
So Juves are confirmed to still exist, that should make (some) people happy. Although I'll be expecting to see variations of,

"Why are they making a kit for pseudo-Juves instead of actually making regular Juves???"

and

"Why are they making these pseudo-Juves more efficient than regular Juves, thus rendering regular Juves useless???"

before long.

Those Toughness/Wound regen abilities are extremely scary, sure hope they're not affordable enough to spam. High T can equate to near-invulnerability in this game, especially at the start of a campaign.

Rhetorical questions for later. what is the price of the new prospects compared to juves.

 Altruizine wrote:
So Juves are confirmed to still exist, that should make (some) people happy. Although I'll be expecting to see variations of,

"Why are they making a kit for pseudo-Juves instead of actually making regular Juves???"

and

"Why are they making these pseudo-Juves more efficient than regular Juves, thus rendering regular Juves useless???"

before long.

Those Toughness/Wound regen abilities are extremely scary, sure hope they're not affordable enough to spam. High T can equate to near-invulnerability in this game, especially at the start of a campaign.

They’re not.

Concept of Prospects is that they’re a higher risk. I mean, look at that weapon profile. With Bs5+, he’s more a danger to himself than anyone else. Risk vs Reward. If one survives long they get different skills, and have a different value to your Gang.

With nowt more to currently go on, until more reveals or books in hand? I suspect that taking Prospects and Specialist Champs over Juves and Champs will result in a Gang more focussed on its House’s nominal strengths.

I wonder if the Forge Whatevers will also have bits to model them as Juves.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder if the Forge Whatevers will also have bits to model them as Juves.

Honestly hoping the arms connect under the chest plate. then converting with just arm swaps should be easy.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder if the Forge Whatevers will also have bits to model them as Juves.

if not , it would probably be fairly easy to convert.

 The Forgemaster wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder if the Forge Whatevers will also have bits to model them as Juves.

if not , it would probably be fairly easy to convert.

Yep. So juves are not gone and we effectively have new juve models too. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Looks like the fella on the right is our first new pit slave

They're the slaver guild entourage. From the left : Chain lord, Pit fighter, Shakle man, pit fighter.

From the book of peril.

beast_gts wrote:

Spoiler:

Yep... that's what I thought. Isn't this release plan exactly like what necessitated throwing out the Gang War books? Anyone wanna bet 2 years out we'll get Gangs of the Underhive 2 announced?

 aka_mythos wrote:
Yep... that's what I thought. Isn't this release plan exactly like what necessitated throwing out the Gang War books? Anyone wanna bet 2 years out we'll get Gangs of the Underhive 2 announced?

They've indicated that these books are similar to a faction codex, so it is possible that Necromunda has grown too large for a compilation book like Gangs. I expect Gangs to be replaced by these codices and an annual book that has a yearly updated trading post, skills, points, and possibly gang tactics.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Yep... that's what I thought. Isn't this release plan exactly like what necessitated throwing out the Gang War books? Anyone wanna bet 2 years out we'll get Gangs of the Underhive 2 announced?

They've indicated that these books are similar to a faction codex, so it is possible that Necromunda has grown too large for a compilation book like Gangs. I expect Gangs to be replaced by these codices and an annual book that has a yearly updated trading post, skills, points, and possibly gang tactics.

There was a mention on the Facebooks today that someone wanting to play just a specific gang, after these books drop, "will only need to own a main rulebook and one of these Gang books".

Chopstick wrote:
They're the slaver guild entourage. From the left : Chain lord, Pit fighter, Shakle man, pit fighter.

From the book of peril.

Indeed, but the fella on the right looks likely to make a run for it and found his own gang/sell his abilities to the highest bidder!

 zedmeister wrote:
Looks like the fella on the right is our first new pit slave

Spoiler:

Don't really like the design so far of these guild members. The Shackleman seems a little overdesigned compared to his artwork from the Book of Peril.



Still, this proves that Guilds are getting models in the far future. The Promethium, Water and Corpse Guild have such awsome pieces of artwork. They make me think of Bioshock for some reason.

 zedmeister wrote:
Looks like the fella on the right is our first new pit slave

Well dang, those are some fine models. Shame they're forgeworld...

It's kind of implied by the article that the Slaver's Guild will be reprinted/revised in the new book (unless that aside was just a non-sequitur to preview the FW product).

If that happens it'll be another ugly instance of the game stealth-updating and spreading rules around willy-nilly. Can you imagine if every Gang Book reprints/revises the gang's Guilder ally of choice? Baxx will need counseling.

Those Pit Fighter guys are nifty. Very detailed minis.

 Altruizine wrote:
Although I'll be expecting to see variations of... before long.

Way to poison the well dude...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Yep... that's what I thought. Isn't this release plan exactly like what necessitated throwing out the Gang War books? Anyone wanna bet 2 years out we'll get Gangs of the Underhive 2 announced?

They've indicated that these books are similar to a faction codex, so it is possible that Necromunda has grown too large for a compilation book like Gangs. I expect Gangs to be replaced by these codices and an annual book that has a yearly updated trading post, skills, points, and possibly gang tactics.

There was a mention on the Facebooks today that someone wanting to play just a specific gang, after these books drop, "will only need to own a main rulebook and one of these Gang books".

As opposed to owning the rulebook and just underhive gangs for most gangs or a particular "Book of..." for some of the additions since?
....Or before that when it was just needing the rulebook and a gang corresponding Gang Wars book?

It just seems like GW is waffling back and forth. It kinda doesn't matter how easy it is to say "you only need this and the rulebook"... when there is a pile of books someone has to be told they need to ignore that are all technically part of this edition but have significantly diminished or no usefulness... I keep trying to get more people to play this game and the number of books is intimidating. They will ask me "and how long before its updated and I have to buy it again?" To them, to many, this will come off as the third time in just over 3 years that they'd be re-buying rules.

Specialist games have a lot of inertia to get a community going and sustaining it. A lot of the people I had interested in a campaign, their big draw was that the game hadn't resorted to the codex -recycle-release cycle and enough elements were locked in... less fear of books getting invalidated assuaged by the fact GW just streamlined things down to the underhive gangs book and feeling like the prior series of "Book of ..." were optional. To them this is regressive and a move towards what they didn't want.

There is still a lot of ground for this game to cover but with how many different releases since 2017 have just been "here is the gang's rule"... "no, now these are the gangs rules"... "wait this is what you need for this gang"...?-It seems like some of the corners of the setting we were promised at the beginning will never be touched until right before they decide refresh things again.

Whether its because this is many people's secondary game or because they're just hobbyists that might spend months on a gang with the hopes of eventually playing... whatever this is, its a pivot into the untenable to many of them.

Does kind of make sense though.

Gangs of the Underhive suits a group starting out. One copy can be shared between them.

More experienced and committed groups? Pick up your House Book.

Then there’s weirdos like me that like to own everything. And I inevitably will.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Those Pit Fighter guys are nifty. Very detailed minis.

 Altruizine wrote:
Although I'll be expecting to see variations of... before long.

Way to poison the well dude...

Some antibiotics were in order. Now that "don't tread on my regular Juves" has been eliminated as a reason to hate this release, I'm excited to hear the next, more refined reason it's actually bad from the mouths of N&R's most notorious faultfinders.

 Altruizine wrote:

Brutes and Pets have not been released in plastic. The very few that have been released at all are FW resin. Plastic always has more optionality than resin.

Ambot? Otherwise I agree with you on juces not being worthwhile. The most efficient way to build a roster are champions (except leader who can only be purchased once at start). Everything else is less cost efficient. Leveling up your fighters is worse than buying fresh champs already leveled up. It is a big flaw (among many) in the new campaign system.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
At least they confirmed the Prospects aren't replacing juves.

No, it's levels in levels. I believe space marines, scouts and terminators are still a thing, but not as impressive today as they were 15 years ago.

Reckless on a close combat weapon is not really a problem because mostly you can pick your battles and many fights are not with a friendly fighter B2B. This one weapon is Ranged, so reckless has bigger effect, but still manageable. Expect to see more reckless for the other close combat weapons. BTW we already have the arc wielder. Do we need a new weapon profile each time they make the same weapon? We already got close to 200 unique weapon profiles... With more to come.


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 Altruizine wrote:

If that happens it'll be another ugly instance of the game stealth-updating and spreading rules around willy-nilly. Can you imagine if every Gang Book reprints/revises the gang's Guilder ally of choice? Baxx will need counseling.

Actually they need to rewrite Guilder rules because they don't come with a point cost (most of them are easily valuable for 500+ credits) and they don't even specify how many fighters are in each guild!

 aka_mythos wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

Spoiler:

Yep... that's what I thought. Isn't this release plan exactly like what necessitated throwing out the Gang War books? Anyone wanna bet 2 years out we'll get Gangs of the Underhive 2 announced?

6 months tops, if not by Christmas/ Boxer Day. You hear it here first.


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 Segersgia wrote:


Don't really like the design so far of these guild members. The Shackleman seems a little overdesigned compared to his artwork from the Book of Peril.

Shakleman carry cult icon and shock stave in their profile. They just don't have the space to include one in that artwork.

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
At least they confirmed the Prospects aren't replacing juves.

No, it's levels in levels. I believe space marines, scouts and terminators are still a thing, but not as impressive today as they were 15 years ago.

Reckless on a close combat weapon is not really a problem because mostly you can pick your battles and many fights are not with a friendly fighter B2B. This one weapon is Ranged, so reckless has bigger effect, but still manageable. Expect to see more reckless for the other close combat weapons. BTW we already have the arc wielder. Do we need a new weapon profile each time they make the same weapon? We already got close to 200 unique weapon profiles... With more to come.

Did you quote the wrong person? Not sure how that comment relates.