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 Stonebeard wrote:
Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?

M193 is better vs. soft armor anyway...M855 is better at popping Soviet helmets. Chances are I'll have to shoot a bad guy wearing a vest long before I have to shoot one wearing a Soviet helmet.

I feel like my NATO standard .308 is probably just fine in the highly unlikely scenario some hombre in body armor or a light armored vehicle wants to rumble.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I feel like my NATO standard .308 is probably just fine in the highly unlikely scenario some hombre in body armor or a light armored vehicle wants to rumble.

Exactly. Lets see your pretty boy clothes stop my elephant gun of much BOOM!*



*Frazzled does not in actuality have an elephant gun. Frazzled has however made several toilets go BOOM within 24 hours of eating bad Mexican food. Its a gift.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I feel like my NATO standard .308 is probably just fine in the highly unlikely scenario some hombre in body armor or a light armored vehicle wants to rumble.

My HK91 approves of this theory.

 Stonebeard wrote:
Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?

I get more accuracy and range using the 855 round out of my 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels than I do from 193.

Besides, the way this thing is written, M193 and 308 will be on the chopping block soon enough.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Stonebeard wrote:
Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?

I get more accuracy and range using the 855 round out of my 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels than I do from 193.

Besides, the way this thing is written, M193 and 308 will be on the chopping block soon enough.

So you plan to engage the commie hordes at range, then?

Exactly (not really, huge jump there), which is why it's better to write your government officials and bitch at them incessantly than to waste time purchasing meh ammo.

Threw a set of Dawson Precision sights on my G19. This pistol does double duty as sports gun (without the light of course) and carry gun when I don't carry the pistol on my person (with the light of course).






It's got a fair bit of work done to it.

Smooth-faced trigger, fluff and buff on all surfaces.
Ghost Rocket connector.
Wolff spring kit (reduced power trigger and firing pin safety springs, increased power striker spring)
GFA (thing is a godsend)
Sights (was Ameriglo night sights...now Dawson Precision skinny fiber optic front)

 Stonebeard wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Stonebeard wrote:
Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?

I get more accuracy and range using the 855 round out of my 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels than I do from 193.

Besides, the way this thing is written, M193 and 308 will be on the chopping block soon enough.

So you plan to engage the commie hordes at range, then?

Exactly (not really, huge jump there), which is why it's better to write your government officials and bitch at them incessantly than to waste time purchasing meh ammo.

The round shoots better out of the barrels I prefer and I have access to a 400+yd range, hordes be damned. It sucks as a defensive round, but then thats not what I want 855 for, is it?

Actually doesnt cost anything for me to reach my reps (which I have). And since I work for an lgs, not much time is "wasted" buying ammo. BTW, anyone interested I have a few k worth to sell.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Stonebeard wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Stonebeard wrote:
Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?

I get more accuracy and range using the 855 round out of my 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels than I do from 193.

Besides, the way this thing is written, M193 and 308 will be on the chopping block soon enough.

So you plan to engage the commie hordes at range, then?

Exactly (not really, huge jump there), which is why it's better to write your government officials and bitch at them incessantly than to waste time purchasing meh ammo.

The round shoots better out of the barrels I prefer and I have access to a 400+yd range, hordes be damned. It sucks as a defensive round, but then thats not what I want 855 for, is it?

Actually doesnt cost anything for me to reach my reps (which I have). And since I work for an lgs, not much time is "wasted" buying ammo. BTW, anyone interested I have a few k worth to sell.

But the commies, man! What about the commies?! Better dead than red!

Hell, I don't know what you're buying it for, but fair enough. I just use wolf, myself. Then again, I can't hit the broad side of a barn at 400, so meh.

EDIT: Just to clarify, the point about commies before, that wan't me being argumentative, that was me light-hearted.

http://www.nssfblog.com/oppose-atf-556-m855-ball-ammunition-ban/

For those of you who want an easy way to write congress.

Okay, this thing looks like a gimmic but it's apparently a real gun. Has anyone handled one of these?

Taurus Curve



I've no idea if they make a left-handed version.

I haven't even seen one in person yet, but it's *snicker* Taurus quality!

No safety. No iron sights. Belt hook on the side, so no easy way to get a holster that covers the trigger. No thanks.

If you're lucky (unlucky?) enough to get one that actually works, have fun neglegently discharging when "holstering".

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
No safety. No iron sights. Belt hook on the side, so no easy way to get a holster that covers the trigger. No thanks.

I had never seen this gun before so looked it up. It actually comes with a 'holster' that covers the trigger.



http://www.gunsandammo.com/first-look/taurus-curve-380-pistol/

Its an interesting concept. I wouldn't trust that holster though.

 Frazzled wrote:
Its an interesting concept. I wouldn't trust that holster though.

http://www.themicholster.com/

MIC-style holsters are actually pretty popular.


I wouldn't buy it based on Taurus quality, but at least somebody is doing something innovative in the gun industry. Unlike Glock, releasing its fourth generation of "perfection" and full-sized handguns that nobody wants, or any of the myriad 1911 companies who are banking on American obsession with a century-old obsolete design. Uh oh, I said it.

Agreed its a new design. KelTec comes out with some cool funky stuff a lot too.

But that holster's just scary to me. I have to ask...why would someone get that?

 Frazzled wrote:
Agreed its a new design. KelTec comes out with some cool funky stuff a lot too.

But that holster's just scary to me. I have to ask...why would someone get that?

I think the popularity has to do with the fact that they're grab-and-go. You don't need to thread your belt loops for it, just airline-tie the holster to your belt loop, put the holster over the trigger, then shove the gun in your pants. It does what a holster is designed to do - cover the trigger. It doesn't fall off the weapon until you actually go to present so if anything, they're safer than regular holsters since the "reholstering" process involves slipping the "holster" over the trigger guard while the weapon is pointed in a safe direction, rather than sweeping yourself with an unguarded trigger which most people do while reholstering.

Never personally had an interest in these holsters, but I think for appendix carry with a revolver it'd work pretty well.

 CptJake wrote:
I had never seen this gun before so looked it up. It actually comes with a 'holster' that covers the trigger.



http://www.gunsandammo.com/first-look/taurus-curve-380-pistol/

So it basically clips around the gun. So when you draw it you need your free hand to clear any obstructions (shirt, coat tail, etc.), then you have to yank that off? No thank you

Never used them, and don't like Taurus but one other thing it has going for it is that it is not straight blowback (which may be hard for some to manage) like some of the other micros.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I had never seen this gun before so looked it up. It actually comes with a 'holster' that covers the trigger.

Spoiler:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/first-look/taurus-curve-380-pistol/

So it basically clips around the gun. So when you draw it you need your free hand to clear any obstructions (shirt, coat tail, etc.), then you have to yank that off? No thank you

Nope - you attach the "holster" to your belt. When you draw, it yanks right off automatically. It's really no more difficult than drawing using a traditional holster, the only difference is that in this case, the trigger guard is covered until you're basically in low ready.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Agreed its a new design. KelTec comes out with some cool funky stuff a lot too.

But that holster's just scary to me. I have to ask...why would someone get that?

I think the popularity has to do with the fact that they're grab-and-go. You don't need to thread your belt loops for it, just airline-tie the holster to your belt loop, put the holster over the trigger, then shove the gun in your pants. It does what a holster is designed to do - cover the trigger. It doesn't fall off the weapon until you actually go to present so if anything, they're safer than regular holsters since the "reholstering" process involves slipping the "holster" over the trigger guard while the weapon is pointed in a safe direction, rather than sweeping yourself with an unguarded trigger which most people do while reholstering.

Never personally had an interest in these holsters, but I think for appendix carry with a revolver it'd work pretty well.

It doesn't distribute any weight. That sucks for real world carry.
I understand on the loop thing. I have a paddle holster and a button on OWB holsters (both Comp Tac) and competition mag holster that just clips on for just that reason. I like slider holsters but hated taking them on and off.

 Frazzled wrote:

It doesn't distribute any weight. That sucks for real world carry.
I understand on the loop thing. I have a paddle holster and a button on OWB holsters (both Comp Tac) and competition mag holster that just clips on for just that reason. I like slider holsters but hated taking them on and off.

I think it's designed for pocket carry. Not gonna lie...there are times pocket carrying my Shield when I think, "It'd be nice if this thing looked a little bit less like a handgun in my pocket."

Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.

 KiloFiX wrote:
Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.

And work bag carry.

 KiloFiX wrote:
Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.

Which is a terrible option and I'd advise nobody to use that form of carry.

 Alex C wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.

Which is a terrible option and I'd advise nobody to use that form of carry.

What would one do if wearing a dress?

 KiloFiX wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.

Which is a terrible option and I'd advise nobody to use that form of carry.

What would one do if wearing a dress?

Thigh holster

Alternatively, don't wear a dress if you're going to be carrying a gun and find concealment a challenge in a dress. One of the key concepts behind concealed carry is that you let the gun/carry position dictate the clothes, you do NOT let your clothes dictate the gun/carry position.

 Alex C wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.

Which is a terrible option and I'd advise nobody to use that form of carry.

What would one do if wearing a dress?

Thigh holster

Alternatively, don't wear a dress if you're going to be carrying a gun and find concealment a challenge in a dress. One of the key concepts behind concealed carry is that you let the gun/carry position dictate the clothes, you do NOT let your clothes dictate the gun/carry position.

This has limits. If it were true, small handguns like the S&W Shield, Springfield XDS and Glock 42 wouldn't be nearly as popular as they are, and everybody would be wearing those stupid IDPA shoot-me-first vests.

In the real world, there are tradeoffs with everything and most reasonable people are willing to make them.

Purse carry (or murse as the case may be) definitely has disadvantages, like draw speed and retention issues, but if those aren't serious problems for you (as they aren't in my office), there's really no reason to say "never ever ever" to it as a carry method. I can draw from my bag on the passenger seat a hell of a lot faster while seated in a car with a seatbelt drawn than I can from OWB at 4:30.

FWIW I carry a smaller handgun on my person, and a larger pistol with a weapon light in my bag. There's also a pretty serious blowout kit in that bag along with a few spare magazines. I couldn't reasonably conceal all that stuff on me and still dress like a professional. Every method of carry has its place.