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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Based on the wording they absolutely intend to ban every rifle round for which a "pistol" with a capacity > 1 has ever been manufactured.

Just sitting here eating popcorn waiting for someone with brass balls to start voting with the ammo box.

yup,

this is how they do it.

they will ban everything and anything they can ban, and if they can do it through unelected bureaucrats, all the better.

one gun at a time, one form of ammo at a time, they know all too well that its much easier to ban something then unban it.

I wont be surprised if I start hearing clap trap along the lines of "you have the right to bear arms, not to ammo for them."

Your normal capacity mags will soon be "high cap mags" your drum mags will soon be machine gun parts, I wouldnt be shocked at all to see a new assault weapons ban that targets mag fed rifles come about before too long as well.

This is exactly how they banned most of the stuff up here, write obscure laws that get around fair voter driven processes, ban the gun by banning a certain part of it or by name. then slowly branch out.

Get it before its gone is my advice,

Everyone has seen this coming though, this is why the shelves are still empty for almost 7 years.





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 Spacemanvic wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Based on the wording they absolutely intend to ban every rifle round for which a "pistol" with a capacity > 1 has ever been manufactured.

Just sitting here eating popcorn waiting for someone with brass balls to start voting with the ammo box.

Nah, never happen.

Bread n' circuses man, bread n' circuses.

Then again, the shooting sports in the US is the "circus" for some.

you are wrong, it can happen, lots of people, with lots of money, are dead set on it happening.

Do not underestimate how serious a fight this is... you have a real chance at losing too, dont compromise, dont get complacent, and for the love of guns support your organizations like the NRA

Easysauce I think he was referring to Americans going full-on James Yeager in response to unconstitutional attacks on their rights.

We all know that gun control is going to happen...it happens constantly. Even this new national CCW reciprocity shindig is certain to contain clauses that screw gun owners in the end. I'm waiting to see if the requirements under the proposed national reciprocal CCW permit would be crazy (i.e., may-issue, long expensive classes required, applies only to one specific firearm, etc.).

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Easysauce I think he was referring to Americans going full-on James Yeager in response to unconstitutional attacks on their rights.

Full on James Yeager? You mean stomp on the brakes, stall the truck, jam your weapon and split the scene?

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Easysauce I think he was referring to Americans going full-on James Yeager in response to unconstitutional attacks on their rights.

Full on James Yeager? You mean stomp on the brakes, stall the truck, jam your weapon and split the scene?

Bahahaha yes, and...




I had to Google "Youtube Yeager M855 ban." I was hoping to see more of this derptastic crap...his video was actually very calm and basically can be summed as "M855 sucks anyway."

Standard capacity mags are already called "high capacity" in many places and by many people, even by those who claim to be 2A friendly.

A 30-round mag for an AR is not "high capacity", it is standard capacity, no matter what arbitrary capacity limits certain politicians enforce in various parts of the country.

As for the national CPL reciprocity, yeah, that's almost guaranteed to have clauses to make the process of acquiring a license as difficult as possible, in order to be in compliance with the most strict states in the Union.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Easysauce I think he was referring to Americans going full-on James Yeager in response to unconstitutional attacks on their rights.

We all know that gun control is going to happen...it happens constantly. Even this new national CCW reciprocity shindig is certain to contain clauses that screw gun owners in the end. I'm waiting to see if the requirements under the proposed national reciprocal CCW permit would be crazy (i.e., may-issue, long expensive classes required, applies only to one specific firearm, etc.).

oh yeah, I realized now i might have been unclear, I was talking about laws and stuff


yeagers a total tool, im not talking about people going full yeager... never go full yeager.

Who's James Yeager and no I'm not looking it up. Don't needz me noes NSA snoopinz my mailz

 Frazzled wrote:
Who's James Yeager and no I'm not looking it up. Don't needz me noes NSA snoopinz my mailz

A coward who thinks he's a tier 1 operator and is under the impression people give a feth about what he thinks.

 Frazzled wrote:
Who's James Yeager and no I'm not looking it up. Don't needz me noes NSA snoopinz my mailz

Former cop and private security contractor who is most famous for his ineptitude and cowardice during an ambush on the road to BIAP in Iraq in which ~3 people died. He now runs a firearms and tactics training school called Tactical Response, and is famous for saying the incredibly stupid (like making Youtube videos openly threatening to kill people over gun control laws) and doing the incredibly dangerous (like asking his camera man to stand down range during live fire stress drills).

He's probably been shot at more than Chris "Coast Guard" Costa, and he doesn't hold his rifle as if he's giving another man The Sneaky Stranger in a dark locker room, but in terms of street cred he's pretty much the opposite of a quiet professional.

I should also add that since his weight loss transformation, he's shifted over from the military veteran staple of polo shirts to a uniform consisting of nothing but TAP OUT GEAR. So he may or may not be responsible for popularizing the UFCDouche uniform amongst "Tactical Enthusiasts."

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Easysauce I think he was referring to Americans going full-on James Yeager in response to unconstitutional attacks on their rights.

Full on James Yeager? You mean stomp on the brakes, stall the truck, jam your weapon and split the scene?

Bahahaha yes, and...




I had to Google "Youtube Yeager M855 ban." I was hoping to see more of this derptastic crap...his video was actually very calm and basically can be summed as "M855 sucks anyway."

Well that was... special. Anyway, yeah, he's a bit bipolar. One video will be perfectly calm and the next will be entirely off the wall. No real middle ground setting to the dude.

As far as a ban on these two rounds go, I'm not worried. As others said though, it's disconcerting to think of where it could lead.

 Frazzled wrote:
Who's James Yeager and no I'm not looking it up. Don't needz me noes NSA snoopinz my mailz

Dont sweat it, we've been watching you for a while.....

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Who's James Yeager and no I'm not looking it up. Don't needz me noes NSA snoopinz my mailz

Dont sweat it, we've been watching you for a while.....

You and everyone else

Holeee Mismas!

Double tap ammo just threw in the towel too:

"...We have now been informed that the ammunition using the SS109 bullet commonly referred to as M855 by NATO will be banned for sale but not possession on March 16th.
We have been selling our handloaded match grade version of this load for 10 years both to civilians and to government agencies. As of today we will only be selling this load to civilians until our supply is exhausted. Once we have sold out we won't be loading it again. We have discounted this load for retail sale on our website...."

Thats awesome.

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats awesome.

Your fridge just checked in. Your milk is out of date and you just used up the last stick of butter.

Well I did make popcorn for the wife, daughter and three other teenage girls. Lots of butter was used. Thank you Fridge for the reminder!

 Frazzled wrote:
Well I did make popcorn for the wife, daughter and three other teenage girls. Lots of butter was used. Thank you Fridge for the reminder!

See, dont you feel safer?


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The BATFE reclassification makes anyone holding M855 a criminal at the state level effective immediately if your state has bans on possessing AP ammo. So, imagine what will happen when other calibers are re-classified AP?

Sorry I don't know what an M855 round is.

Did they classify a round or an entire caliber?

 Frazzled wrote:
Sorry I don't know what an M855 round is.

Did they classify a round or an entire caliber?

It's a type of 5.56 round.

 Frazzled wrote:
Sorry I don't know what an M855 round is.

Did they classify a round or an entire caliber?

A particular "inexpensive" round of the 556 caliber, leaving the option of classifying the entire caliber as well as other calibers that if used in a pistol or revolver are magically transformed into armor piercing rounds.


Have you been keeping up on current events?

Dude I've been teaching my daughter to drive. You freaking keep up on current events when you're getting heart attacks on a minute by minute basis. :O

 Frazzled wrote:
Dude I've been teaching my daughter to drive. You freaking keep up on current events when you're getting heart attacks on a minute by minute basis. :O

Ill be there next year when my oldest turns 16 and we start the driving lessons :(

Good luck bro!

Sent Son1 and Son2 to driving school and let someone else risk their sanity and vehicle. Plus the 'passed a certified class' helped with insurance costs.

Will do the same for Daughter in 4 years.

 CptJake wrote:
Sent Son1 and Son2 to driving school and let someone else risk their sanity and vehicle. Plus the 'passed a certified class' helped with insurance costs.

Will do the same for Daughter in 4 years.

Im going to see if my state offers that....

 CptJake wrote:
Sent Son1 and Son2 to driving school and let someone else risk their sanity and vehicle. Plus the 'passed a certified class' helped with insurance costs.

Will do the same for Daughter in 4 years.

I hear ya. However SWMBO said I was to teach her in no uncertain terms.

SWMBO?

She Who May Be Ours?

 whembly wrote:
SWMBO?

She Who May Be Ours?

She Who Must Be Obeyed.

bingo

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
The ban on XM855 62gr is already in place. It's 30 year exemption was pulled by the ATF Friday night (cool gig making up laws as the wind blows). Many distributors arent restocking the item, so what is out is it in regards to XM855.

The comment period that ATF published is to get ideas from retailers etc on implementing said ban.

Your only recourse is to contact your Congresscritters and Senators.

The neckbeards have just about emptied the shelves of XM855 and are now focusing on XM193, any 223 and reloading components. Add to this the restriction placed on once fired military brass (to be shredded and not sold to reloaders) from 2 years ago, and the era of "cheap" surplus 556 is pretty much over.

Cant ban the guns, so they went after the ammo.

What stinks is my rifles shoot 62gr much better than the 55gr stuff :(

Disgusting. Really have no words for this. The law specifically says "The term “armor piercing ammunition” is defined, in pertinent part, as a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper or depleted uranium."

M855 does not fit this definition at all, as it contains lead in the core. As usual, the ATF is just making gak up as they please.

Hopefully Sig fething bends them over for their ridiculous "ruling" on the SB15 brace.

In the painful reality, the XM855 does have a steel penetrator tip (so it does meet the barest of thresholds to be considered for this ruling), but I still think this is a ludicrous ruling. Time to stock up, glad I already have some at least.

The nightmare might be over in less than two years, or maybe not.

Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?