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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Based on the wording they absolutely intend to ban every rifle round for which a "pistol" with a capacity > 1 has ever been manufactured.

Just sitting here eating popcorn waiting for someone with brass balls to start voting with the ammo box.

Nah, never happen.

Bread n' circuses man, bread n' circuses.

Then again, the shooting sports in the US is the "circus" for some.

Pragmatically, how many rounds is that?

ATF rules can be sued over...

 Frazzled wrote:
Pragmatically, how many rounds is that?

Eh? What?

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Pragmatically, how many rounds is that?

Eh? What?

5.56. what else? If the argument is that rifle rounds that can be used as a pistol (assuming its not sued and overturned).

 Frazzled wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Pragmatically, how many rounds is that?

Eh? What?

5.56. what else? If the argument is that rifle rounds that can be used as a pistol (assuming its not sued and overturned).

Well, there are pistol caliber carbines, so there is that. 9mm, 40SW, 45APC, 10MM.

Then there are lever action rifles that can be sold as pistols (ranch guns).

The way this thing is written, slippery slope.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Pragmatically, how many rounds is that?

Eh? What?

5.56. what else? If the argument is that rifle rounds that can be used as a pistol (assuming its not sued and overturned).

.308/7.62 (x51, x39 and x54r), .223 and even 30-30 spring to mind.

But really, IIRC, to fit the classification of "pistol" a firearm must have a barrel length shorter than 16" and not have a shoulder stock, so pretty much any rifle can be made into a "pistol", leading to all kinds of ammo ban possibilities...

 Alex C wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Pragmatically, how many rounds is that?

Eh? What?

5.56. what else? If the argument is that rifle rounds that can be used as a pistol (assuming its not sued and overturned).

.308/7.62 (x51, x39 and x54r), .223 and even 30-30 spring to mind.

But really, IIRC, to fit the classification of "pistol" a firearm must have a barrel length shorter than 16" and not have a shoulder stock, so pretty much any rifle can be made into a "pistol", leading to all kinds of ammo ban possibilities...

True. Im just going by what I have in stock at the store I work at.

The true panic hasnt set in yet because the media hasnt made an issue of it yet. But, add a high profile shooting, and watch what happens: Ammogeddon!

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Nah, never happen.

Bread n' circuses man, bread n' circuses.

Then again, the shooting sports in the US is the "circus" for some.

It's definitely rare, but it does occasionally happen. A bunch of civilians ROFLstomped the ATF in Waco. Of course, then they were all subsequently murdered in cold blood on national TV, but...yeah.

It would be interesting to see how many times Sig Braced AR "pistols" loaded with M855 have been used in crimes to shoot people wearing level 3a body armor.

Because y'know, it's all for our safety, ATF wouldn't just arbitrarily ban things they think are scary, right?

Went out behind the pond yesterday before the cold front moved in and popped a few caps with Son2 and Daughter.

Nice! What gun? Looks like a Model 60 but not quite...

 CptJake wrote:
Went out behind the pond yesterday before the cold front moved in and popped a few caps with Son2 and Daughter.

Good for you! Tube fed, maybe Marlin? Where are your ear's dad?

Maybe they'l change their minds like the Sig Brace; the ammunition will be legal for rifles (regular and SBR) but not pistols.

I'm using military foam plugs, Son2 and Daughter got the nice sets , and my other set is up in Braggistan with the wife in case she gets a chance to go to the range with the toys we have up there for her.

That is an old Winchester .22 semi auto I kind of inherited. Also had out the Mosin, and an AK type 'pistol', and a couple hand guns. I personally only fired about 8 rounds of .22 while demonstrating a couple things for my daughter. I let the kids have all the fun.

Dammit, should have guessed Winchester. Pretty sure my father in law has one. He's got dozens of guns though, hard to keep track.

Glad you had fun!

 CptJake wrote:
I'm using military foam plugs, Son2 and Daughter got the nice sets , and my other set is up in Braggistan with the wife in case she gets a chance to go to the range with the toys we have up there for her.

That is an old Winchester .22 semi auto I kind of inherited. Also had out the Mosin, and an AK type 'pistol', and a couple hand guns. I personally only fired about 8 rounds of .22 while demonstrating a couple things for my daughter. I let the kids have all the fun.

There you go, it didnt have a hammer and I ruled out Marlin.

Good for you, love families having safe fun. Letting kids have all the fun is what we fathers do LOL.....


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Maybe they'l change their minds like the Sig Brace; the ammunition will be legal for rifles (regular and SBR) but not pistols.

There is nothing in the original exemption that gives them room for that. Its all or nothing.

And as far as I remember, ATF has not changed their minds favorably to the SIG brace.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Just sitting here eating popcorn waiting for someone with brass balls to start voting with the ammo box.

To be clear, we're using a euphemism for killing legislators who aren't legislating the way we want them to, right? "Brass balls" being an admirable trait and all, you're saying that it's time for second amendment remedies, right? Because I'm not really seeing how else else that can be interpreted.

 Ouze wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Just sitting here eating popcorn waiting for someone with brass balls to start voting with the ammo box.

To be clear, we're using a euphemism for killing legislators who aren't legislating the way we want them to, right? "Brass balls" being an admirable trait and all, you're saying that it's time for second amendment remedies, right? Because I'm not really seeing how else else that can be interpreted.

I don't personally believe it's time for that, but if the James Yeagers of the country were to decide to put their money where their mouths are, I wouldn't be in a rush to turn off my TV.

ETA: Unless it's to go to the store to buy popcorn, because that's not the kind of thing I stock regularly.

So I'm on the fence about what to do with my rifle. I'm debating selling it, and using the money to buy a standard .308 rifle, or replacing a significant portion of the weapon.

Either way, I do not like the AR-10A2 configuration. I have to mount the scope on the carry handle, and it just makes it very bulky. So I want to replace the portion of the upper receiver, and give it a flat top instead of a carry handle. It looks like it'll be about $300 for the price, and whatever an armorer would charge me to swap the parts out.

Or I can get a really nice deer rifle for about $600. I could probably sell my rifle for $700-$800, but then I'd be giving up the first firearm that I bought with my own money. Lot of love attached to that thing. I guess the ideal thing would be to swap the part out.

keep it and just get a deer rifle too. Rugers and Mossbergs are cheaaaaap.

 Frazzled wrote:
keep it and just get a deer rifle too. Rugers and Mossbergs are cheaaaaap.

Savage's package guns are also very affordable.


PS: Some buzz about Bond's new gun being H&K.

http://controversialtimes.com/entertainment/bond-gets-new-gun-for-new-film-heckler-koch-vp9/

Here's hoping that it's just a pick-up and not his new primary.

If you have any inkling of an attachment to a firearm, keep it.

Just save up for the fudd gun and keep the AR.

 djones520 wrote:
So I'm on the fence about what to do with my rifle. I'm debating selling it, and using the money to buy a standard .308 rifle, or replacing a significant portion of the weapon.

Either way, I do not like the AR-10A2 configuration. I have to mount the scope on the carry handle, and it just makes it very bulky. So I want to replace the portion of the upper receiver, and give it a flat top instead of a carry handle. It looks like it'll be about $300 for the price, and whatever an armorer would charge me to swap the parts out.

Or I can get a really nice deer rifle for about $600. I could probably sell my rifle for $700-$800, but then I'd be giving up the first firearm that I bought with my own money. Lot of love attached to that thing. I guess the ideal thing would be to swap the part out.

Here ya go:
http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar308.aspx

You can get a smooth side upper for $100.

JSE is gtg. Ive ordered from them for a while, never an issue.

Also, give the Ruger American a look see. Very nicely made gun. You can still find some Ruger M77's for about $550 or so. What caliber are you interested in?

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
So I'm on the fence about what to do with my rifle. I'm debating selling it, and using the money to buy a standard .308 rifle, or replacing a significant portion of the weapon.

Either way, I do not like the AR-10A2 configuration. I have to mount the scope on the carry handle, and it just makes it very bulky. So I want to replace the portion of the upper receiver, and give it a flat top instead of a carry handle. It looks like it'll be about $300 for the price, and whatever an armorer would charge me to swap the parts out.

Or I can get a really nice deer rifle for about $600. I could probably sell my rifle for $700-$800, but then I'd be giving up the first firearm that I bought with my own money. Lot of love attached to that thing. I guess the ideal thing would be to swap the part out.

Here ya go:
http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar308.aspx

You can get a smooth side upper for $100.

That's a DPMS. I need an Armalite.

 djones520 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
So I'm on the fence about what to do with my rifle. I'm debating selling it, and using the money to buy a standard .308 rifle, or replacing a significant portion of the weapon.

Either way, I do not like the AR-10A2 configuration. I have to mount the scope on the carry handle, and it just makes it very bulky. So I want to replace the portion of the upper receiver, and give it a flat top instead of a carry handle. It looks like it'll be about $300 for the price, and whatever an armorer would charge me to swap the parts out.

Or I can get a really nice deer rifle for about $600. I could probably sell my rifle for $700-$800, but then I'd be giving up the first firearm that I bought with my own money. Lot of love attached to that thing. I guess the ideal thing would be to swap the part out.

Here ya go:
http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar308.aspx

You can get a smooth side upper for $100.

That's a DPMS. I need an Armalite.

Are AR10s different in terms of dimensions? Because a DPMS AR15 upper would fit just fine on most lowers.

Yeah, why are you choosing between your AR and a .308 when you can just swap the upper and barrel for cheaper than getting a new rifle?

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
So I'm on the fence about what to do with my rifle. I'm debating selling it, and using the money to buy a standard .308 rifle, or replacing a significant portion of the weapon.

Either way, I do not like the AR-10A2 configuration. I have to mount the scope on the carry handle, and it just makes it very bulky. So I want to replace the portion of the upper receiver, and give it a flat top instead of a carry handle. It looks like it'll be about $300 for the price, and whatever an armorer would charge me to swap the parts out.

Or I can get a really nice deer rifle for about $600. I could probably sell my rifle for $700-$800, but then I'd be giving up the first firearm that I bought with my own money. Lot of love attached to that thing. I guess the ideal thing would be to swap the part out.

Here ya go:
http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar308.aspx

You can get a smooth side upper for $100.

That's a DPMS. I need an Armalite.

Are AR10s different in terms of dimensions? Because a DPMS AR15 upper would fit just fine on most lowers.

They have a different cut. I think it has something to do with the licensing. Armalite weapons are stand alone, can't swap parts out with other companies, as far as I've gathered at least. This part though, for sure I need to get directly from Armalite.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
So I'm on the fence about what to do with my rifle. I'm debating selling it, and using the money to buy a standard .308 rifle, or replacing a significant portion of the weapon.

Either way, I do not like the AR-10A2 configuration. I have to mount the scope on the carry handle, and it just makes it very bulky. So I want to replace the portion of the upper receiver, and give it a flat top instead of a carry handle. It looks like it'll be about $300 for the price, and whatever an armorer would charge me to swap the parts out.

Or I can get a really nice deer rifle for about $600. I could probably sell my rifle for $700-$800, but then I'd be giving up the first firearm that I bought with my own money. Lot of love attached to that thing. I guess the ideal thing would be to swap the part out.

Here ya go:
http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar308.aspx

You can get a smooth side upper for $100.

That's a DPMS. I need an Armalite.

Are AR10s different in terms of dimensions? Because a DPMS AR15 upper would fit just fine on most lowers.

AR 10? Yeah, different ball game than in the AR 15 series...

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
So I'm on the fence about what to do with my rifle. I'm debating selling it, and using the money to buy a standard .308 rifle, or replacing a significant portion of the weapon.

Either way, I do not like the AR-10A2 configuration. I have to mount the scope on the carry handle, and it just makes it very bulky. So I want to replace the portion of the upper receiver, and give it a flat top instead of a carry handle. It looks like it'll be about $300 for the price, and whatever an armorer would charge me to swap the parts out.

Or I can get a really nice deer rifle for about $600. I could probably sell my rifle for $700-$800, but then I'd be giving up the first firearm that I bought with my own money. Lot of love attached to that thing. I guess the ideal thing would be to swap the part out.

Here ya go:
http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar308.aspx

You can get a smooth side upper for $100.

That's a DPMS. I need an Armalite.

Are AR10s different in terms of dimensions? Because a DPMS AR15 upper would fit just fine on most lowers.

I'm not sure in the case of DPMS to Armalite specifically, but I've heard that AR10 parts aren't as easily swap-able as AR15 parts.


On the subject of Bond and H&K: I know HKs are nice and I would be happy to have one (at least for the performance), and I think MP5s and their variants are really cool, but damn....a lot of their pistols are really, really ugly.

 djones520 wrote:


They have a different cut. I think it has something to do with the licensing. Armalite weapons are stand alone, can't swap parts out with other companies, as far as I've gathered at least. This part though, for sure I need to get directly from Armalite.

Stripped uppers from them are almost $300. Now I see why you're on the fence! That's half way to a decent AR15.

Maybe the solution is sell the AR10 for an AR15 AND a fudd gun.