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Will probably get buried, but just wanted to say thanks to the guys at salute. Slightly surreal feeling meeting Yakface!

Delighted with the books and great to talk to the writers about their plans for the extended universive. Also nice to see the models up close and I think the sneak peak models will go down well.

cerealkiller195 wrote:
i know its really early to ask but is it possible to convert models with 3rd party bits if we were to attend a tournament or something of the sort?

Nothing has been decided about tournament structure or rules yet.

I can't imagine conversions wouldn't be allowed! I'll certainly be doing some full visor helmets on my Epirians

 Vermonter wrote:
I find the scarecrows a bit dull, to be honest, as I do the entire Epirian faction so far. But in this case I don't think that's a bad thing. Human security forces that look more workmanlike / lowtech / etc. are very useful in sci fi settings and narratives, particularly when they find themselves in way over their heads due to a sudden xeno incursion, mutant viral outbreak, etc. (ala Aliens, Deadspace, etc.) I don't own the kind of basic sci fi security force a company might use on an isolated outpost; mostly I've got a bunch of fearless, genhanced super-soldiers outfitted with super-tech. Basically the kind of guys you call in during chapter 2 or a sequel, after a situation has spun out of control and the original population is already decimated. The Epirians strike me much more as your standard "Chapter 1" guys, who think they're well-equipped but are caught off guard when the $hit first hits the fan, and that's often the best part of the story.

Chapter 1 guys. I like that. And, that's exactly what they are. They look like the sort guys that should be getting gunned down by Schwarzenegger in Total Recall or something. I actually really like that aspect about them. The robots are just icing on the cake. I'd love to see some industrial styled conversions of them at some point.

once I'm home from Italy, I plan on pledging.

Also, was it ever mentioned if the paperback versions of the books will be available on Amazon? I'm another of those dinosaurs that prefers physical books over electronic ones.

The more I look at them, the more the assless chaps are pushing me away. However, the idea of doing a Village People strike team is pretty amusing.

All chaps are by definition assless. Lots of people still wear them for jobs where they provide useful protection. I've worn leather welder's pants and can easily see how chaps would be more practical for some applications.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
for my money they're still probably the best generic sci-fi troopers I've seen yet, .

I'm curious how you're defining "generic."

What disqualifies the Sedition Wars Vanguard Samaritans or the Mantic Enforcers from being "generic sci-fi." Or the Dreamforge stuff?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Maybe he means near-future or unarmored? But then they are up against the UAMC, the Corporation Marines, DUST troops, and the upcoming plastic Terminator Genysis Resistance.

That all leaves out AT-43, which has heroic scale and plastic going for it, along with vehicles.

The Vanguard are nice, and generic in the sense of not feeling married to a particular setting, but that level of armor is above what I'm used to seeing or conceptualizing from most sci-fi movies/books I've read, aside from the ones with power armor, of course. I guess Colonial Marines from Aliens are kind of a universal (or at least for me) touchstone for Generic Future SoldierTM. The Mantic Enforcers; are those actually robots? They're nice minis, though. Dreamforge are the ones with the big Darth Vader helmets, right? They are very neat Stormtroopers, but would at least need a head swap to feel "generic". I love their Valkir heavy troops, though. UAMC look very good, aside from the helmets, which I kind of hate. DUST guys are pretty nice, but definitely feel like they come from their real-world countries, which is a strike against in the "generic" column. I think the AT-43 dudes may be my favorite of the ones you guys named. The pics I'm finding online definitely look nicer than the minis I remember playing with from that game when it first came out.

I take your point that there are a lot more options out there nowadays than there were when the Cadians came out. How many of those are in multipart HIPS, for the modeling/conversion/durability value? And my lack of awareness there may be a result of my largely being a GW-centric minis gamer, so that is undoubtedly coloring my perceptions about the quality of the Epirians. I was very favorably impressed by the side by side comparisons, in terms of proportion and look at a little more of a distance,

 endtransmission wrote:
Ok, so I did get one photo for the day that showcases the Scarecrows really nicely



It is unlikely anyone will have photos of the two larger models though as they were in a carry case under the table

I can confirm that the 2 hidden big models were amazing and I bet most will love them!
Oh! the minis in general look much much better in real life, internet pictures of what you have seen so far do not do them justice.
Great minis! Curious about the rules.

A pleasure to meet Lego and Yak.

You know what those scare crows remind me of? Did anyone play System Shock 2 at all? You remember the killer robots that would pop out of the walls in the enginarium zone, and they'd use up damn near all your ammo to take down, leaving you with little more than your pipe wrench to then deal with the mutants?

Maaaaaaaan that takes me back. I love those durn robots. In the dark they'd remind me of being attacked by robo-slender man. Frakin great, I love it.

They've said not in the near future (as it's cost prohibitive),

although any Salute leftovers may be up for sale to the Dakka masses (PM lego to express interest)

If the game and system is a big hit this may change as there will be more money to spend

 MLaw wrote:
The more I look at them, the more the assless chaps are pushing me away. However, the idea of doing a Village People strike team is pretty amusing.

I wonder if this is some sort of odd generational-cultural divide thing? Growing up with western movies, the first thing that chaps* bring to mind is cowboys, which fits the frontier nature of the setting. It seems a lot of people jump straight to 'Hollywood gay bar' instead, for some reason...

We've also had people post examples in this thread of other professions that wear chaps for extra leg protection.



* (seriously, folks, just 'chaps'... there is no more point in calling them 'assless' chaps then there would be referring to their trousers as 'footless' pants...)

Great to see these models in real life today, and to see our Dakka overlords - regretfully I didn't get a chance to converse or introduce myself as they were pretty slammed by others when I found the stand - missed it completely on my first pass of the hall... Note: you need a bigger banner to advertise our presence I bet you guys are totally wrecked though after that day...
I will say though, these models look way, way, way better up close and the 'boxy' Epirian contractors, really aren't that boxy. It's amazing the difference between real-life and computer screen...

 insaniak wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
The more I look at them, the more the assless chaps are pushing me away. However, the idea of doing a Village People strike team is pretty amusing.

I wonder if this is some sort of odd generational-cultural divide thing? Growing up with western movies, the first thing that chaps* bring to mind is cowboys, which fits the frontier nature of the setting. It seems a lot of people jump straight to 'Hollywood gay bar' instead, for some reason...

We've also had people post examples in this thread of other professions that wear chaps for extra leg protection.



* (seriously, folks, just 'chaps'... there is no more point in calling them 'assless' chaps then there would be referring to their trousers as 'footless' pants...)

I don't get it either. For what Spiral is trying to do with making these guys look like average Joes on the Job, chaps were a good choice. I think it might've been better to not cut out the crotch as much, but other than that they get the point across very well. Could always say the chaps are just Kevlar or something, thrown on over the work clothes, or the company just decided to make welding, bulletproof, and welding chaps all in one.

There are other perfectly valid things to dislike about them, like the shoulder armor or maybe the hats and the lack of poses, but the chaps I felt were a good choice and helped get the point across of what they're supposed to be. I realize that the nature of this hobby means most people wouldn't be familiar with the variety of jobs that chaps require, but its still funny to watch.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
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There are other perfectly valid things to dislike about them, like the shoulder armor or maybe the hats and the lack of poses, but the chaps I felt were a good choice and helped get the point across of what they're supposed to be. I realize that the nature of this hobby means most people wouldn't be familiar with the variety of jobs that chaps require, but its still funny to watch.

To be fair, I think many of the complaints aren't about the utility of said chaps, but that they're wearing them at all and they think they are unnecessary.

Got a closer look at the models at salute today and I have to say sorry but I was not impressed. The contractors proportions were all over the place and the guns looked bad the scarecrows looked really dull. The religious heavy weapon dudes wrists looked really really bad and not just the camp one, the drones looked passable ok but as my friend said they would look more at home in a 10mm game. I really wanted to like these as I think Dakka Dakka is the best forum out here but I really feel you should go back to the drawing board, sorry guys.

overtyrant wrote:
The contractors proportions were all over the place and the guns looked bad the scarecrows looked really dull.

Are you the guy who tweeted "“hilt on light saber stupid and impractical childhood ruined everything ruined!!!"?

No I'm not im afraid, lightsabers are cool. I'm just expressing my feelings on the subject which I'm allowed to do.

 insaniak wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
The more I look at them, the more the assless chaps are pushing me away. However, the idea of doing a Village People strike team is pretty amusing.

I wonder if this is some sort of odd generational-cultural divide thing? Growing up with western movies, the first thing that chaps* bring to mind is cowboys, which fits the frontier nature of the setting. It seems a lot of people jump straight to 'Hollywood gay bar' instead, for some reason...

We've also had people post examples in this thread of other professions that wear chaps for extra leg protection.



* (seriously, folks, just 'chaps'... there is no more point in calling them 'assless' chaps then there would be referring to their trousers as 'footless' pants...)

I can't speak for anyone else, but I can understand that 99% of the people who wear chaps wear them for work, but still think of that more memorable 1% whenever I hear the word "chaps" because life is just more fun that way. Plus, I lived in the Bay Area for 6 years, so I'm more familiar with the people who wear them for play.

The same thing happened with the Eisenkern. No matter how functional the armor actually was, the 'naked tush' look is what drew the eyes.

Must be different exposure. I see the chaps and just see engineers or industrial workers, which seems to be the intended vibe of the Epicarians anyway.

What I'm really excited to see are the other factions. I realize they are a ways away, but I feel that having multiple factors really helps draw in customers by offering different identities people can latch onto and minimizing the blue-on-blue effect you get in games where there are only two factions. It's probably one of 40k's best features, even if half that game is just space marines with different paint jobs.

Also really excited to see what MEdge does with intelligent alien races.

overtyrant wrote:
No I'm not im afraid, lightsabers are cool. I'm just expressing my feelings on the subject which I'm allowed to do.

Quite so. My apologies, I just love that lightsaber quote.

 Barzam wrote:
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Also, was it ever mentioned if the paperback versions of the books will be available on Amazon? I'm another of those dinosaurs that prefers physical books over electronic ones.

They might sell some of the extras after Salute. If I get them, I'll let you read them after I finish. If you get them and I don't, I'd love to borrow or buy them off you.

Might as well make the inevitable ooh look at me I've pledged for something post.

In at $90. Even if the game itself isn't something I enjoy I'll definitely be able to use the minis elsewhere. Especially those drones.

Sheesh, I finally finished reading this thread.

I pledged for the boxed set and I am hoping we get to the terrain sprue stretch goal. I think I will start on the Epirans first as I like their faction background so far. I will likely mod or replace the human infantry models and their boxy weapons. Eisenkerns or Victoria Minis might help to improve the overall look. I will wait until I have the minis in hand to decide.

The fiction sounds promising so an eBook or two may be in my future.

Edit: Am I the only one that sees "Malfstrom" instead of "Maelstrom" after reading Malfred's comment about trolling the universe? Now I am imagining an expanding cosmic storm that steals everyone's socks!

Well I made it to the stand... and very glad I did too.

I'm not just saying this because I'm a dakkaite but I have to say I was very very impressed with the quality and style of this game. I had a chat with Tom on the stand and its easy to see that these guys are passionate about this project and they're real gamers wanting to make a really good and successful wargame.

I can honestly say that I am super confident about backing the kickstarter and will be pleadging as soon as me and a mate (who I immediately sent over to their stand as soon as I returned to mine! ) have figured out what level we'll be going for.

So all in all, I'm very impressed and now even more excited to be backing my very first kickstarter project.

Good luck all!

P.s. I also got a look at the 2 hidden models! I'd pretty much made up my mind before seeing them but they were the most excellent icing on the cake!

Fraggle wrote:Will probably get buried, but just wanted to say thanks to the guys at salute. Slightly surreal feeling meeting Yakface!

Delighted with the books and great to talk to the writers about their plans for the extended universive. Also nice to see the models up close and I think the sneak peak models will go down well.

NAVARRO wrote:

 endtransmission wrote:
Ok, so I did get one photo for the day that showcases the Scarecrows really nicely


It is unlikely anyone will have photos of the two larger models though as they were in a carry case under the table

I can confirm that the 2 hidden big models were amazing and I bet most will love them!
Oh! the minis in general look much much better in real life, internet pictures of what you have seen so far do not do them justice.
Great minis! Curious about the rules.

A pleasure to meet Lego and Yak.

Ruglud wrote:Great to see these models in real life today, and to see our Dakka overlords - regretfully I didn't get a chance to converse or introduce myself as they were pretty slammed by others when I found the stand - missed it completely on my first pass of the hall... Note: you need a bigger banner to advertise our presence I bet you guys are totally wrecked though after that day...
I will say though, these models look way, way, way better up close and the 'boxy' Epirian contractors, really aren't that boxy. It's amazing the difference between real-life and computer screen...

overtyrant wrote:Got a closer look at the models at salute today and I have to say sorry but I was not impressed. The contractors proportions were all over the place and the guns looked bad the scarecrows looked really dull. The religious heavy weapon dudes wrists looked really really bad and not just the camp one, the drones looked passable ok but as my friend said they would look more at home in a 10mm game. I really wanted to like these as I think Dakka Dakka is the best forum out here but I really feel you should go back to the drawing board, sorry guys.

Emperors_Champion wrote:Well I made it to the stand... and very glad I did too.

I'm not just saying this because I'm a dakkaite but I have to say I was very very impressed with the quality and style of this game. I had a chat with Tom on the stand and its easy to see that these guys are passionate about this project and they're real gamers wanting to make a really good and successful wargame.

I can honestly say that I am super confident about backing the kickstarter and will be pleadging as soon as me and a mate (who I immediately sent over to their stand as soon as I returned to mine! ) have figured out what level we'll be going for.

So all in all, I'm very impressed and now even more excited to be backing my very first kickstarter project.

Good luck all!

P.s. I also got a look at the 2 hidden models! I'd pretty much made up my mind before seeing them but they were the most excellent icing on the cake!

Hey everybody, finally caught up on my sleep after a very long day yesterday. It was really amazing to meet so many of you and show you everything we've been working on - the models, rules and fiction. It was fantastic that so many people bought the books - I hope you enjoy them! We have some left over so we will be exploring possibilities of getting those to people that want them.

Thanks to everyone that stopped by the stand and to all of you who have posted your feedback here and elsewhere. We really appreciate everybody who takes an interest in the game that we've been working so hard to make, and we hope to add to people's excitement with the Kickstarter stretch goals over the next few weeks.

Have the moulds been cut for the scarecrows yet? If not, a hand for the right arm, either as a standalone piece or integrated into the gun-arm would be good.

Every model we show are production models, not prototypes.

I think people will be very excited by the sprue for the Scarecrow, the upper and lower limbs are all separate (both legs and arms) and there are so many posing opportunities. I can't wait to get my hands on some.

Hi guys, nice to see some of you at the stand yesterday. I was really impressed by two things. First is that the Karist faction stuff looks sooooo much better in person than in photos. To be honest, I was not at all impressed with the Karist stuff when I saw it on here, but when you can hold it in your hand they are are actually really lovely little models. I think if I were going to get some myself I would try and find some slightly smaller shoulder guards and/or trim the ones that come as stock, but that is a minor issue, easily solved.

I also really loved the terrain sprue that I saw. Keeping the bits you need on the sprue and letting people buy their own plasticard to finish it with is a genius idea, and it gives you a really great terrain piece. I'll definitely be trying to pick some of them up if they become available.

Question: was there hard copies of the maelstrom edge books at salute? I gave my ticket to my mate because I had to best man a wedding. All I asked in return was the novels and anything else.

He backed the project like me on kickstarter after seeing your stand. Did he get me the books? No.

It might I have made up these imaginary hard copies but if I can get both this would make me very very happy.

Aside. He loved your stand, he's only just moved out of historical gaming so I think that says volumes to your pick up market as he isn't on dakka.

 Hyglar's Hellraiser wrote:
Question: was there hard copies of the maelstrom edge books at salute? I gave my ticket to my mate because I had to best man a wedding. All I asked in return was the novels and anything else.

He backed the project like me on kickstarter after seeing your stand. Did he get me the books? No.

It might I have made up these imaginary hard copies but if I can get both this would make me very very happy.

Aside. He loved your stand, he's only just moved out of historical gaming so I think that says volumes to your pick up market as he isn't on dakka.

Thanks

We have a fair few printed copies still around and will be distributing them soon, but are waiting on getting the ISBNs sorted out and a couple of logistical steps before we are good to go.

Please make sure you are signed up on the Maelstrom's Edge website - http://www.maelstromsedge.com/medge/join.jsp and we'll send an email out there as soon at the physical copies are available