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2019/02/22 02:03:21
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
NurglesR0T wrote: Worst case, there may not be a kit called "Havocs" but change the way a normal CSM unit is constructed. An option to give up to 4 models (or more!?) heavy weapons, functionally they are now "havocs".
I'd be totally cool with that. It could be an expansion of the basic concept of Chaos Space Marine squads to better reflect their Legion origins.
Crimson wrote: Yeah... the idea that if Havocs won't get new models right now, they will be squatted seems pretty paranoid.
Tell that to all the Nob Bikers, non-Mega Armoured KFF Meks, and the host of other things that have suffered as a result of no model = no rule.
I mean, do I actually think GW will squat Havocs? No. Not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I'm just more surprised that Possessed and now, it seems, Terminators would get a second go around before Havocs even got their first.
Crimson wrote: Also, they're literally just CSM with heavy weapons, and I really doubt those ever go away as long as CSM exist.
And Guard minis with Plasma Guns and Meltaguns exist, yet the GSC entry for Brood Brother squads only lets them get Flamers and Grenade Launchers because that's all that's on the sprue.
Again, not saying it will happen, just that we shouldn't be surprised if it does.
BrianDavion wrote: I'e got a hunch we're going to see Havocs. I bet oblits will be a duel kit with mutilators too
God I hope so. It'd be such a waste not to.
Red_Five wrote: You've had like 20 years to buy them. If you don't already own them, buy them now. Let everyone else have cool new sculpts.
My point is that I think of all the ancient minis in GW's range (Phoenix Lords, Eldar Avatar, a couple of Space Wolves, Vyper Jetbike, Marine Bikes/Attack Bikes), the Phoenix Lords are the only ones I'd consider timeless. Baharroth and Fuegan are works of art IMO, and losing them would be a tragedy.
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NurglesR0T wrote: Worst case, there may not be a kit called "Havocs" but change the way a normal CSM unit is constructed. An option to give up to 4 models (or more!?) heavy weapons, functionally they are now "havocs".
I'd be totally cool with that. It could be an expansion of the basic concept of Chaos Space Marine squads to better reflect their Legion origins.
Crimson wrote: Yeah... the idea that if Havocs won't get new models right now, they will be squatted seems pretty paranoid.
Tell that to all the Nob Bikers, non-Mega Armoured KFF Meks, and the host of other things that have suffered as a result of no model = no rule.
I mean, do I actually think GW will squat Havocs? No. Not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I'm just more surprised that Possessed and now, it seems, Terminators would get a second go around before Havocs even got their first.
Crimson wrote: Also, they're literally just CSM with heavy weapons, and I really doubt those ever go away as long as CSM exist.
And Guard minis with Plasma Guns and Meltaguns exist, yet the GSC entry for Brood Brother squads only lets them get Flamers and Grenade Launchers because that's all that's on the sprue.
Again, not saying it will happen, just that we shouldn't be surprised if it does.
BrianDavion wrote: I'e got a hunch we're going to see Havocs. I bet oblits will be a duel kit with mutilators too
God I hope so. It'd be such a waste not to.
Red_Five wrote: You've had like 20 years to buy them. If you don't already own them, buy them now. Let everyone else have cool new sculpts.
My point is that I think of all the ancient minis in GW's range (Phoenix Lords, Eldar Avatar, a couple of Space Wolves, Vyper Jetbike, Marine Bikes/Attack Bikes), the Phoenix Lords are the only ones I'd consider timeless. Baharroth and Fuegan are works of art IMO, and losing them would be a tragedy.
Amazing someone can spell Maugan wrong twice in a row.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/02/22 07:03:57
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
NurglesR0T wrote: Worst case, there may not be a kit called "Havocs" but change the way a normal CSM unit is constructed. An option to give up to 4 models (or more!?) heavy weapons, functionally they are now "havocs".
I'd be totally cool with that. It could be an expansion of the basic concept of Chaos Space Marine squads to better reflect their Legion origins.
How about going further... between the Legion origins, the we’re not loyalists - we don’t need the adhere to loyalist doctrine, the rag tag state of many chaos warbands, and GW’s self imposed need to represent renegades in the same Codex... maybe the most basic CSM squad should be something more elite, more like chosen, with all their weapon options ...ultimately tailorable to represent all those different facets.
Then again with this release seemingly built around Black Legion and who could have chosen as troops maybeas this hypothetical do-all unit is as uniquely their’s like how Templar’s have crusade squads.
2019/02/22 12:52:24
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Looks like a Mutilator to me. Seems to match the style of the new Obliterators, especially the pauldron (what little we can see of it) not being a standard power armour or terminator pauldron shape.
A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry.
2019/02/22 13:17:23
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I think it's Mutilators. Some people have said Possessed (and that hand sure does look possessed) but it doesn't seem like GW anymore to make a visual option that can't be taken; however this means if it IS Possessed, it's likely they are getting their rules revamped and maybe getting options (maybe they really will do the suggestion I've seen pitched around and make Possessed the Chaos Primaris equivalent)
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- Wayne
Formerly WayneTheGame
2019/02/22 13:28:36
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I'm not convinced we're getting new terminators. I'm thinking they may be bodyguards included in the box with the new Abaddon to make it more expensive protect him.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: I'm not convinced we're getting new terminators. I'm thinking they may be bodyguards included in the box with the new Abaddon to make it more expensive protect him.
Latro_ wrote: wow this chaos release is shaping up to rival the dark eldar range update
Eh. Aside from the not-a-stalk tank, This lacks the vehicle upgrades to match the DE update.
It also doesn't seem to be saddled with the monopose finecast failures of the DE update, where you could see GW give up and stop caring.
At this point I'm worried that all these little pieces make it look like a bigger update than it actually is, and the traditional 'chaos disappointment' will set in.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2019/02/22 15:10:17
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: wow this chaos release is shaping up to rival the dark eldar range update
Eh. Aside from the not-a-stalk tank, This lacks the vehicle upgrades to match the DE update.
It also doesn't seem to be saddled with the monopose finecast failures of the DE update, where you could see GW give up and stop caring.
At this point I'm worried that all these little pieces make it look like a bigger update than it actually is, and the traditional 'chaos disappointment' will set in.
DE update had nothing to do with Finecast, that came out after both them and Grey Knights. I've got Lelith, an Archon, and a Succubus all in metal, before things converted over.
That arm, I'm going with Mutilator. Looks bigger than a standard Posessed.
Damn sonnnnn, I'm so hyped. Looking forward to finally doing a Crimson Slaughter army now.
Looks like that new Daemon Rumour Engine is from the possessed, going off that vid, the possessed to his left looks like he has the same hand.
2019/02/22 15:18:55
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: wow this chaos release is shaping up to rival the dark eldar range update
Eh. Aside from the not-a-stalk tank, This lacks the vehicle upgrades to match the DE update.
It also doesn't seem to be saddled with the monopose finecast failures of the DE update, where you could see GW give up and stop caring.
At this point I'm worried that all these little pieces make it look like a bigger update than it actually is, and the traditional 'chaos disappointment' will set in.
DE update had nothing to do with Finecast, that came out after both them and Grey Knights. I've got Lelith, an Archon, and a Succubus all in metal, before things converted over.
It was done in chunks over a fairly lengthy period. By the end there were wracks (though plastic, not finecast, though overly monopose) and grotesques, which were notably a single version and finecast. Beast units were as well iirc. Mandrakes and incubi underwent conversion fairly quickly, and weren't good to start with. The DE update started strong and ended in confusion, failure and an AWOL flyer.
But still, the relevant point is that most of these bits can easily be from a small number of kits. This shouldn't be hyped as a huge release.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2019/02/22 16:11:50
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Looks like we have a match to the quad vented backpack as well on that guy. Probably a Possesed Champion.
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2019/02/22 16:30:09
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Mandragola wrote: I really hope this is a proper release and not just loads of pictures of the same guys.
The possessed guy looks like the one off the cover to me. I wonder if he’s a new kind of character, rather than a squad leader.
People are asking why they’d replace the possessed models before assorted older stuff. What if they aren’t, but arecjust giving you a character?
Sorry if this sounds kind of negative. It would just be a shame if people built this up to be more than it is (or might be) and ended up disappointed.
Yeah, I've kinda been thinking the same lately. The Possessed in all the art seems like it might just be a character that accompanies the Master of Possession, and many of the model previews are just for him and potentially a Terminator character. The only models we know for sure are coming are the Master of Possessed characters, Spider/Tick and Oblits. But we don't know 100% for sure if the Oblits will be a dual kit with Mutilators (hope so) or if the Chaos Marines shown so far are anything more than just one-offs in the box set (a la Black Stone Fortress).
Everything else could entirely be just for Character exclusive models that come in Shadow Spear. I hope this isn't the case, but it could be
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