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**Hulksmash**

I have to say that First Herectic was probably one of the very, very few 40k books I've read that didn't feel like a trashy sci-fi book. It felt like a geniune novel. I mean I even kept waiting for a certain someone to shrug off a certain influence. And I love the idea of Lorger (Sp?) being such a wuss. Just plain loved it. Oh and the Lion is even more my favorite after that tiny exerpt.

**reds8n**

**H.B.M.C.**

Alpharius wrote:The are some VERY interesting revelations in there, actually...

For those who don't care about spoilers, please spoil us.

**reds8n**

First of all the next limited edition Bl book is now on pre order : http://www.blacklibrary.com/Exclusive-Products/Collectors-Editions/The-Bloody-Handed.html

Tiernen crafted 40 images for the book and his incredibly detailed Gustave Doré-style drawings have a twisted beauty that perfectly suit this sinister tale of sacrifice and murder.
- Gav Thorpe

And Bl have also posted their Xmas shipping dates

Christmas sighted.
Christmas Shipping Dates

The nights are getting darker, the music cheesier and the amount of chocolate on the shelves growing – yup, it’s almost Christmas. And while on the one hand, you’re likely to get lots of great gifts, it does mean that your postman is about to have some time off. So, to make sure you awake to a pile of Black Library books under the tree, here’s a list of the last shipping dates – miss these and you might have to spend Boxing Day reading the back of a gravy packet.

Standard Shipping: last shipping dates

December 7th - Outside the United Kingdom
December 20th - Inside the United Kingdom

UPS Express Delivery: last shipping dates

December 13th - Outside the United Kingdom
December 20th - Inside the United Kingdom

**Alpharius**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Alpharius wrote:The are some VERY interesting revelations in there, actually...

For those who don't care about spoilers, please spoil us.

OK!

Spoiler:

It is stuff like this that really makes me want them to JUST TELL US ALREADY.

I mean, they kind of already are, aren't they? Mostly?

**Hulksmash**

Alpharius wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Alpharius wrote:The are some VERY interesting revelations in there, actually...

For those who don't care about spoilers, please spoil us.

OK!

Spoiler:

Basically, some Word Bearers comment on how the Ultramarines suddenly and mysteriously grew their ranks by a LOT when the 2nd and the 11th were [Imperial Records Deleted - We Must Never Speak Of This Specifically, Only In Veiled Hints And Frustrating Snippets!]. They mention this while looking at the leader of the Ultramarines 19th (I think) Chapter, who is given way more autonomy than others with equivalent rank, and he's often off on his own, doing his own thing, etc. etc. The implication here, clearly, is that the Ultramarines absorbed the Marines from the II and XI Legions after their respective Primarchs did their Super Naughty Whatevers. Of course, part of the joke is that II plus XI equals XIII too...

It is stuff like this that really makes me want them to JUST TELL US ALREADY.

I mean, they kind of already are, aren't they? Mostly?

You left out:

Spoiler:

I thought it was a great read and a nice change of pace from most 40k books. Now if all the marines would just man up in the pressence of primarchs it would be perfect.

**Alpharius**

I am not sure how "true" these CHAOS VISIONS OF THE PAST really are.

I mean, they exist in order to manipulate/control the Primarchs into 'choosing' the Baddies.

So, yeah, not sure how true they are.

**BrookM**

reds8n wrote:First of all the next limited edition Bl book is now on pre order : http://www.blacklibrary.com/Exclusive-Products/Collectors-Editions/The-Bloody-Handed.html

I want this one so badly, until I saw that it is 45 quid with express postal services. A bit too steep even for me.

**reds8n**

I'l let you know what it's like

**BrookM**

Much obliged, I'm a big fan of the series, but there is a line I can't cross some times..

**reds8n**

I'm too weak to resist..

..meanwhile...

**Hulksmash**

@Alpharius

It had to be moderately true. At least the WB Captains since his swords went bye bye and he heard Horus screaming. Why put that in there if it wasn't binding what had happened closer together. And maybe the defenses were holding until that last little thrust by the WB guy and Horus simply misunderstood (very likely). Just because it's a vision doesn't mean it's false. It's the way it's spun and viewed which chaos is a master of.

**Alpharius**

Spoiler:

Huh!

For the record, I also still refuse to believe that

Spoiler:

**Hulksmash**

Time is relative in the warp my friend. I don't believe all of it. But there are aspects of the truth there. And they had to break the gellar field somehow and the bad man showing the WB's things never touched anything. He might have only been able to get there thru something that could slip thru the field, like hitching a ride on a human.

And nope, The emperor collusion thing I don't buy for a second. Though again, kernals of truth. He does truly understand the warp and is trying to protect humanity by pushing them away from things that strengthen the other realm. Hence what the daemons call him. But how did he get that knowledge? The Emprah isn't as pure as the driven snow

**BrookM**

"My name is Nathaniel Garro and I am a legion of one."

edit.

Spoiler:

**Simonbarsinistr**

I like that cover! And that spoiler!

**Asherian Command**

BrookM wrote:"My name is Nathaniel Garro and I am a legion of one."

edit.

Spoiler:

Loken!

Spoiler:

**Melissia**

That's one of the better covers I've seen.

**Asherian Command**

Thats true. As the helmets are smaller than their hands. And their swords are bigger than they are. And the bolter is well proportioned.

**Melissia**

They're superstrong superhuman superfreaks in superpowered superarmor, of course their melee weapons are too big.

**warboss**

whoever that artist is should be hired to redo the blood angels "tiny head mode" cover to the codex. that audiobook art is absolutely awesome. is there a black library screensaver version without the giant text block or a wallpaper?

**BrookM**

The artist is either Neil Roberts (who did Oath of Moment) or that South Korean artist who does the Warhammer Heroes cover art along with some other choice covers.

**Kanluwen**

Pretty sure it's Neil Roberts. The other artist it might be is Jon Sullivan. They both have a(to me at least) fairly similar style.

**1hadhq**

Asherian Command wrote:
BrookM wrote:"My name is Nathaniel Garro and I am a legion of one."

Spoiler:

Loken!

Why is it Legion of one?

Spoiler:

**BrookM**

Spoiler:

**1hadhq**

I like the idea of a squad of Heroes

Spoiler:

**BrookM**

I am curious as to what is being created through this process: the Inquisition or the Grey Knights.

**Hulksmash**

Almost seems like the beginnings of a deathwatch approach that could split later to do the GK's and normal inquisition. Like the gathered ones become the first GK's but the selection process is kinda set in stone for future space marine recruitment for xenos?

**BrookM**

The Ordo Xenos was created at a later date.

**lords2001**

Damn it. It looks like I need to start buying audiobooks from BL, if they involve cool stuff. And Garro looks like it is involving cool stuff.