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What I'm worried about is...so many HS choices that are incredibly useful...but only one per army...

At least we have 3 pretty awesome dedicated transports..they don't count in the FOC right?

So much info I just had to join the party. Been collecting necrons on and off for probably 6 years now. Everyone isnt really finding this whole "trading" thing to be believable but I see a very good reason to do it.

"Illuminor Szeras: The Necrontyr who took the C'Tan's knowledge to do bio-transfer and actually made it a reality...so he's the chief architect within the Necrons for actually making the bio-transference happen. He is a master of technology and can augment D3 units in the army with an augmentation."

Every scientist needs some lab rats. I'm sure some of you have seen the fourth alien movies. Maybe they are receiving organic matter from the races to create a superior hybrid to call their own?

I'm kinda excited. Since Wraith's aren't in the first wave I've got a killer idea on how I'm going to build them if the point cost is right

So nothing can stop the WBB roll as long as the unit isnt wiped out?

That Deathmark/Immortal box would be awesome.

It looks likely as they share a fair few parts.

Same legs/torso.

Thanks for all the great info Yak! So much to sift through in this thread.

So, did anyone mention/ask if any of the Cryptic weapons have any AT value? I'm mostly just looking through the leaks and trying to find ranged AT (don't get me wrong, the scarabs are pretty cool, but I just can't see them getting close enough to a Manticore before they're reduced to scrap). Are we still left with Heavy Destroyers and the Doomsday cannon (and, of course, praying for glances)?

GiantSlingshot wrote:Thanks for all the great info Yak! So much to sift through in this thread.

So, did anyone mention/ask if any of the Cryptic weapons have any AT value? I'm mostly just looking through the leaks and trying to find ranged AT (don't get me wrong, the scarabs are pretty cool, but I just can't see them getting close enough to a Manticore before they're reduced to scrap). Are we still left with Heavy Destroyers and the Doomsday cannon (and, of course, praying for glances)?

I would guess the one he called a plasma-mancer would be AT As well as the guy on a scorpion that has a heavy 2 24" melta gun or a Flamer

I'm still concerned about the utility of jump infantry carrying heavy weapons.

masterofstuff1 wrote:

GiantSlingshot wrote:Thanks for all the great info Yak! So much to sift through in this thread.

So, did anyone mention/ask if any of the Cryptic weapons have any AT value? I'm mostly just looking through the leaks and trying to find ranged AT (don't get me wrong, the scarabs are pretty cool, but I just can't see them getting close enough to a Manticore before they're reduced to scrap). Are we still left with Heavy Destroyers and the Doomsday cannon (and, of course, praying for glances)?

I would guess the one he called a plasma-mancer would be AT As well as the guy on a scorpion that has a heavy 2 24" melta gun or a Flamer

The doom scythe also seems to be built for taking on tanks with STR 10 AP 1. Very glass cannon approach tho.

Triarchs with S6 warscythes won't be too bad at whacking open a stray transport.

masterofstuff1 wrote:

GiantSlingshot wrote:Thanks for all the great info Yak! So much to sift through in this thread.

So, did anyone mention/ask if any of the Cryptic weapons have any AT value? I'm mostly just looking through the leaks and trying to find ranged AT (don't get me wrong, the scarabs are pretty cool, but I just can't see them getting close enough to a Manticore before they're reduced to scrap). Are we still left with Heavy Destroyers and the Doomsday cannon (and, of course, praying for glances)?

I would guess the one he called a plasma-mancer would be AT As well as the guy on a scorpion that has a heavy 2 24" melta gun or a Flamer

That's right, the scorpion thing.

Be awesome if the Plasmamancer had some handheld AT. I've just been looking at my BA opponents melta's and my DE opponents Blasters and getting a bit jealous.

By the By, thanks for the speedy responses folks.

Breotan wrote:I'm still concerned about the utility of jump infantry carrying heavy weapons.

What jump infantry has heavy Weapons, Yak corrected himself and destroyers have Assault weapons

Didn't see that. Thanks for clarifying.

Flashman wrote:Hmm... no, I think you (and Wyoming Fox) were right the first time. 0 - 1 would be incredibly dumb.

The concept of limiting new purchases is alien to GW, as it should be to every business in the world.

Limiting the utility of old purchases is another matter (all Destroyer armies, 'Fex spam etc).

On a slightly unrelated matter, the Deathmarks are likely finecast as they don't share torsos with Immortals/Praetorians.

What I am curious about are the full stats of the Overlord and the Lesser Lord now. If the lesser lords and cryptecs are 1W, what are the rest of their characteristics and how does the generic Overlord compare to them and the Lycheguard/Praetorians and the old necron lord stats? I'd think it silly to see the (Over)lord keep his WS and BS4 while the lesser lords and the guard/praetorians have that as well.

Really difficult to tell from the pics, but it looks like Immortals and Deathmarks do share the some of the same features, notable shoulders/torso, legs and arms.

I'm really sorry but it had to be done. Ultracrones:

The flayed ones are clearly the finecast box...

Don't rain on my parade!

Okay, so, I'm jumping in here, so it's rather likely I've missed this...

But I suppose the whole concept of Necrons attempting to seal off the Warp has puffed into smoke? Or has that still retained some footing in the new lore?

Macok wrote:I'm really sorry but it had to be done. Ultracrones:

It already was.

Ecto4 wrote:Is the codex going to be hardcover?

Going by what the studio has said previously, we won't see hardcover codexes again until 6th edition.

I just remembered that story about the Tau welcoming the Necron's and then being slaughtered.

Seems like that story actually makes sense now, what with all these talking 'crons floating about.

'Crons save Tau from 'Nids. Tau welcome 'Crons. Tau refuse to bow to 'Crons. Death ensues.

Macok wrote:I'm really sorry but it had to be done. Ultracrones:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/360/403994.page#3449442

Medium of Death wrote:I just remembered that story about the Tau welcoming the Necron's and then being slaughtered.

Seems like that story actually makes sense now, what with all these talking 'crons floating about.

'Crons save Tau from 'Nids. Tau welcome 'Crons. Tau refuse to bow to 'Crons. Death ensues.

Wooo we defeated 'Nids for greater good!!!.......Why is the Sky getting Darker.........

Medium of Death wrote:I just remembered that story about the Tau welcoming the Necron's and then being slaughtered.

Seems like that story actually makes sense now, what with all these talking 'crons floating about.

'Crons save Tau from 'Nids. Tau welcome 'Crons. Tau refuse to bow to 'Crons. Death ensues.

I haven't heard that one. I have heard of the Tau welcoming the Dark Eldar.. DE save Tau from 'Nids. Tau welcome DE. DE ask for "ambassador exchange", then demand a large exchage. Tau say no. DE kick the feth out of them.

Medium of Death wrote:I just remembered that story about the Tau welcoming the Necron's and then being slaughtered.

Seems like that story actually makes sense now, what with all these talking 'crons floating about.

'Crons save Tau from 'Nids. Tau welcome 'Crons. Tau refuse to bow to 'Crons. Death ensues.

Silly Tau.

They did exactly the same thing in the Dark Eldar codex too

The Deathmarks seem to have detail where the Immortals have none. This could be due to torsos having interchangeable back halves, but the overall stiff pose of the models tells me two part finecast, not plastic. Maybe the rifles don't leave much room for dynamic assembly.

Flayed Ones on the other hand do look like finecast. Some of that detail doesn't seem possible in plastic.

Hey, not sure if this is useful or anything, but the newsletter from the GW store that I frequent said that on the 5th of november, there's gonna be some sort of scenario that involves a Magos Biologis lab in a strange labyrinth.

Here is what it said exactly. Sorry for the French

Samedi dernier, l’impérium est arriver sur la planète Manza VII par le portail présent sur le vaisseau-monde malan’tai, au cours de l’affrontement, un groupe d’infiltration a passé les lignes ennemies et a pénétré dans l’enceinte du laboratoire du Magos Biologis.

Ce mercredi à 14h00, ces derniers se retrouvent au cœur même du bâtiment dans un labyrinthe de couloirs sombres.

Venez continuer l’aventure qui vous mènera jusqu’à l’engagement apocalyptique final le samedi 5 novembre.

I do agree that the Deathmark kit does look more detailed. If I had to choose between which one is going to be the only finecast box it would be the Flayed ones.

Flayed Ones...have to be really good rules-wise to get me to buy them...Seriously ugly models. I know I repeat myself sorry guys but really! UGLY!

Too bad I don't have any of the old ones...now those were good looking!

angelshade00 wrote:Flayed Ones...have to be really good rules-wise to get me to buy them...Seriously ugly models. I know I repeat myself sorry guys but really! UGLY!

Too bad I don't have any of the old ones...now those were good looking!

Yeah. The old ones were mint.
I think the new ones have 3 attacks now. With 4+ saves.
They're supposedly a lot cheaper points wise but still...

Any idea on the point movement on the Wraiths? Just along of the lines of went down 1/3, went down a bit, stay the same, went up a bit.

Also do they still have the 3+ invul?