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angelshade00 wrote:Flayed Ones...have to be really good rules-wise to get me to buy them...Seriously ugly models. I know I repeat myself sorry guys but really! UGLY!

Too bad I don't have any of the old ones...now those were good looking!

Still available for another week or so...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440256a&prodId=99060110015

Overall the codex looks good from the previews. The #1 problem I see with the codex is that scarabs sound too good, and crons will end up like ig with everybody taking 3 of the same fast attack. A multi charge from scarabs can cover a huge distance, and 4 hits will lower the av of transports low enough that massed s4 gauss fire can score plenty of penetrating hits. I like what I se so far, I just have the feeling wraiths and destroyers might become a rare sight.

If the Wraiths have kept their 3++, St6 and are around 35pts or so I can still see a squad or two of 6 with a single large unit of Scarabs. We'll have to see the point values though.

I have one problem with the new cover art. I understand the Necrons have faced millions of years of getting screwed over (or screwing themselves over in most cases), however...

mattyrm wrote: I will laugh my tits off if you sell them all and the new codex is nothing like you think.

Why not wait a wee bit before you go emo on us all eh?

Thank you for the editorial. However, there is nothing 'emo' about it. Quite the opposite, in fact. Very calculated, unemotional. Assuming that Yak is correct in what has been posted (as are we all, it seems) then I will be left holding 6 useless Destroyers and 1 useless Monolith come Nov 5th. That's $250 CAN. Because of these new unit sizes, I feel it's a reasonable assumption that their value -and therefore their price- will decrease considerably. Therefore, I have a better chance of getting a decent return on my investment if I unload it today, rather than gamble by waiting until Nov 5th. And again, since we all seem to be operating with the understanding that Yak is correct, the value decrease seems like less of a gamble and more of a certainty.

nectarprime wrote: You started playing only 6 months ago and chose Necrons??? WHYYYYY

Because as someone completely new to Warhammer 40k, I had no idea they were considered 'weak'. (By the way, I don't. I love the 5th ed. Necrons.) I liked their art design and concept. And I liked the idea that I wouldn't have to spend 5 hours painting each troop, as I don't have that kind of time. Unfortunately, it would appear that the efficient, ponderous, soulless look of the Necrons has been changed to a very ornate, Baroque style. Exactly the opposite of the reason I started with Necrons. But that's a pill I would otherwise be willing to swallow. I can always file off the robots' funny little hats.

mikhaila wrote: I'd wait to trash you models or sell them off until you see an actual codex maybe? I mean, I know it's all about the drama and all...but maybe wait for an actual rulebook?

You do have a point. Perhaps Yak is completely wrong about everything, but I doubt it. Perhaps I'll look at the codex, and then decide whether or not to hold a fire sale outside the nearest GW store on Nov 5th.

wyomingfox wrote: Seems a bit excesive . Why don't you just sell 6 of your Destroyers and use the funds to purchase some of the newer units? I mean, your scarabs, immortals, monos, and warriors are still legit.

For the same reason I don't order a different menu item at full price when the first entree served to me is rotten and there's no refunds. If a player builds a large army according to the existing FOC, and then 6 months later finds out that half of his army can no longer be used, why would that player, as a consumer, ever give said company more money? I paid for my Immortals as Elites, but now the new Immortals are exactly like the old Warriors. I spent $320 CAN on 17 Immortals so that my army would have some more punch with their assault 2 guns, but now my $320 CAN has got me 17 rapid fire guns. What a great investment. There is no reason here for me to make the mistake of purchasing more elite units again.

mattyrm wrote: As the owner of three Carnifexes and two Hive Tyrants I feel your pain, but that is the cost of investing heavily in a skewed and unbalanced army build. If you go all-out on whatever unit is most powerful in a given edition you should expect that eventually your lopsided collection will stop functioning as effectively.

What was unbalanced about it? 2x Heavy choices utilizing 1 of 3 possible options. 3x FA choices utilizing 2 of 3 FA options. 2x Elites choices utilizing 1 of 3 possible options. And lots of troops utilizing 1 of 1 possible options. Are you trying to tell me that despite the FOC, the only way to play properly was to purchase 1 unit of each possible option? If that was the case, I must have missed that page in either the Codex or else the BRB.

What I am very irritated at here is how obvious the new Necron options are not meant to augment existing armies, but to REPLACE them. As in, to re-buy. And that, I will not do.

Maelstrom808 wrote:I have one problem with the new cover art. I understand the Necrons have faced millions of years of getting screwed over (or screwing themselves over in most cases), however...

Its probably just a shield or sword that got cut off, looks funny though

Maelstrom808 wrote:I have one problem with the new cover art. I understand the Necrons have faced millions of years of getting screwed over (or screwing themselves over in most cases), however...

I think he's doing one of these as the space wolves come to kick their ass.

Or at least, that's the fluff version.

@ azazel the cat - After some discussion, I think we're fairly confident that Yak meant 1 Monolith per FOC slot

Can't help with the Destroyers though

azazel the cat wrote:


What I am very irritated at here is how obvious the new Necron options are not meant to augment existing armies, but to REPLACE them. As in, to re-buy. And that, I will not do.

Its a bummer, i think your army is in better shape than you are describing but its your choice if you feel cheated somehow.

i only started playing about a year ago, Necrons as well, and i am excited to expand what i already have and change up the army.

I am sorry you feel the way you do, and i hope you keep playing.

Sorry Azazel, but I don't know what you hope to gain with your posting. If I were you I would suck it up and trade some on my minis for others, like other people have suggested. You're making it a bigger deal than it really is. I understand your frustration, but the rest of us are really stoked for the update, and you should instead focus on the good things about it.

masterofstuff1 wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:I have one problem with the new cover art. I understand the Necrons have faced millions of years of getting screwed over (or screwing themselves over in most cases), however...

Its probably just a shield or sword that got cut off, looks funny though

Oh I agree. Just got a laugh from it though

Hulksmash wrote:If the Wraiths have kept their 3++, St6 and are around 35pts or so I can still see a squad or two of 6 with a single large unit of Scarabs. We'll have to see the point values though.

Not to mention rending, and with lashwhip-like upgrades, they could go a long way in overcoming other unit's cruddy init.

nectarprime wrote:Sorry Azazel, but I don't know what you hope to gain with your posting. If I were you I would suck it up and trade some on my minis for others, like other people have suggested. You're making it a bigger deal than it really is. I understand your frustration, but the rest of us are really stoked for the update, and you should instead focus on the good things about it.

Like giving GW more money? You must work for GW! Saboteur!

If the wording used in Yak's post is to be taken as literally as the nay-sayer's believe, heavy support wise, then it would also follow that there can only be EITHER a SINGLE C'Tan shard OR a SINGLE Triach Stalker per ARMY.

We know that Yak has said earlier that one can field MULTIPLE C'tan, with the caveat being they can't share a special power. So, either Yak is including rules that contradict themselves EXPLICITLY, or you are misinterpretting his wording on the Heavy Support Vehicle section.

Cue the complaints for "WHAT!? ONLY ONE STALKER!?!?"

Shhhhh

"WHAT!? ONLY ONE STALKER!?!?"

I was going to have 3 arrrgghh critical AT

azazel the cat wrote:Assuming that Yak is correct in what has been posted (as are we all, it seems) then I will be left holding 6 useless Destroyers and 1 useless Monolith come Nov 5th.

Look on the bright side: You're still new to 'Crons, so you don't own any Pariahs like the rest of us. They're not even in the new Codex.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Flashman wrote:Hmm... no, I think you (and Wyoming Fox) were right the first time. 0 - 1 would be incredibly dumb.

The concept of limiting new purchases is alien to GW, as it should be to every business in the world.

Limiting the utility of old purchases is another matter (all Destroyer armies, 'Fex spam etc).

On a slightly unrelated matter, the Deathmarks are likely finecast as they don't share torsos with Immortals/Praetorians.

Necrons torsos are two-piece; front-plate and back-plate. All that is necessary for Imms/DMs to have differerent torsos is an extra 5 front plates in the kit.

The circled detail in the zoomed Photoshop comparison would be inclusive to the hypothetical front-plate bit, so by itself it's not an indication of Finecast.

Edit: I think the "running" legs are a pretty rock-solid indication that these are a shared kit. Look at the middle Deathmark, and compare it to the first and middle Immortals in the battlefield picture, or the first Immortal in the white background picture. Why would a set of Finecast legs exactly duplicate a pose that has already been rendered in plastic? Its non-sensical to assume it would be intentional, and would be an enormous coincidence/oversight if it was accidental.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:Assuming that Yak is correct in what has been posted (as are we all, it seems) then I will be left holding 6 useless Destroyers and 1 useless Monolith come Nov 5th.

Look on the bright side: You're still new to 'Crons, so you don't own any Pariahs like the rest of us. They're not even in the new Codex.

This is true, but on another note. I don't understand why you (azezel) can't just sell your excess destroyers to someone that is interested in a new necron army. You'd get back a fair share and still have plenty to use. Yak hasn't confirmed it, but it's pretty widely accepted that they aren't limiting 'liths to just 1 per list. So you can keep both without concern there.

I just don't see why it has to be I sell every thing now because GW made a few destroyers unusable for me.

So did everyone miss my post or is everybody just willing to respond to everyone but me?

Hox wrote:"Illuminor Szeras: The Necrontyr who took the C'Tan's knowledge to do bio-transfer and actually made it a reality...so he's the chief architect within the Necrons for actually making the bio-transference happen. He is a master of technology and can augment D3 units in the army with an augmentation."

Every scientist needs some lab rats. I'm sure some of you have seen the fourth alien movies. Maybe they are receiving organic matter from the races to create a superior hybrid to call their own?

That makes sense. Half-robot, half-organic. But rejected and hated by both. A pariah, if you will... oh. Right.

Breotan wrote:I'm still concerned about the utility of jump infantry carrying heavy weapons.

They've been confirmed as assault 2 guns not heavy.

Hox wrote:So did everyone miss my post or is everybody just willing to respond to everyone but me?

It's this right?

So much info I just had to join the party. Been collecting necrons on and off for probably 6 years now. Everyone isnt really finding this whole "trading" thing to be believable but I see a very good reason to do it.

"Illuminor Szeras: The Necrontyr who took the C'Tan's knowledge to do bio-transfer and actually made it a reality...so he's the chief architect within the Necrons for actually making the bio-transference happen. He is a master of technology and can augment D3 units in the army with an augmentation."

Every scientist needs some lab rats. I'm sure some of you have seen the fourth alien movies. Maybe they are receiving organic matter from the races to create a superior hybrid to call their own?

Well, yes that makes sense actually. But the question is : What would the necrons give to the clients? And also, would the clients be that willing to give away their own people?

-Orks will beat the crap outta them at first sight
-Nids are unusable
-Chaos is Chaos
-Tau still remember what the DE did to them
-Eldar hate them
-IoM hates them. And any governor who deals with them will prolly get branded a traitor.

Really, it's just easier for the Crons to just abduct them.

And besides, I do believe in a earlier post it did say that the Crons weren't trading; they were receiving tributes.

His Master's Voice wrote:The Deathmarks seem to have detail where the Immortals have none. This could be due to torsos having interchangeable back halves, but the overall stiff pose of the models tells me two part finecast, not plastic. Maybe the rifles don't leave much room for dynamic assembly.

This is a different shoulder pad part, like Praetorians get additional parts to the shoulder. No other option fits the 4 plastic plus 1 Finecast box statement.

@azazel the cat: Sorry that you started with a destructor spam list. Not all spam lists work with the next Codex and common sense and rumours talked about a Necron Codex soon even when you started. 2 Monoliths are no problem as said many times, the rest is still good for future Apocalypse games. Now enjoy the boost in new miniatures, new units and new enhanced background for the army you love.

@Hox: One version why trade (by a FEW Necron Lords) makes sense, because "some Necron Lords are obsessed with finding the perfect flesh bodies to transfer their sentience back into." Other things Necrons might want to buy: One named character is a collector, all want information about how to fight craftworld Alaitoc.

@Maelstrom808: Not sure if serious. But that "long face" is obviously a part of the shield, not fully seen because the pic is cut off there.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Samedi dernier, l’impérium est arriver sur la planète Manza VII par le portail présent sur le vaisseau-monde malan’tai, au cours de l’affrontement, un groupe d’infiltration a passé les lignes ennemies et a pénétré dans l’enceinte du laboratoire du Magos Biologis.

Ce mercredi à 14h00, ces derniers se retrouvent au cœur même du bâtiment dans un labyrinthe de couloirs sombres.

Venez continuer l’aventure qui vous mènera jusqu’à l’engagement apocalyptique final le samedi 5 novembre.

My translation:
"Last saturday, the Imperium arrived on the planet Manza VII via the portal on the craftworld Malan'tai. During the conflict, one infliltrating group passed the enemy lines and entered the center? of the Magos Biologis laboratory.

This Saturday at 2pm, the latter group finds itself in the very heart of the building in a labyrinth of dark colours.

Come to continue this adventure which leads you to the final apocalyptic battle on 5th November."

azazel the cat wrote:

Hox wrote:"Illuminor Szeras: The Necrontyr who took the C'Tan's knowledge to do bio-transfer and actually made it a reality...so he's the chief architect within the Necrons for actually making the bio-transference happen. He is a master of technology and can augment D3 units in the army with an augmentation."

Every scientist needs some lab rats. I'm sure some of you have seen the fourth alien movies. Maybe they are receiving organic matter from the races to create a superior hybrid to call their own?

That makes sense. Half-robot, half-organic. But rejected and hated by both. A pariah, if you will... oh. Right.

Thank you

Hox wrote:So much info I just had to join the party. Been collecting necrons on and off for probably 6 years now. Everyone isnt really finding this whole "trading" thing to be believable but I see a very good reason to do it.

"Illuminor Szeras: The Necrontyr who took the C'Tan's knowledge to do bio-transfer and actually made it a reality...so he's the chief architect within the Necrons for actually making the bio-transference happen. He is a master of technology and can augment D3 units in the army with an augmentation."

Every scientist needs some lab rats. I'm sure some of you have seen the fourth alien movies. Maybe they are receiving organic matter from the races to create a superior hybrid to call their own?

Ummm maybe.......

Flashman wrote:@ azazel the cat - After some discussion, I think we're fairly confident that Yak meant 1 Monolith per FOC slot

There is absolutely no way GW would restrict a big, expensive, imposing looking vehicle for just 1 per army. Presumably, they still want to keep selling Monoliths.

I know they don't get along culturally, but the new way they're taking them I could see many different racing paying political tributes to the necron race.

I can believe that's the cover art on account of how much detail and action it shows, but mainly because of all the brand-new units there. If that is the cover art (which it most likely is), then I definitely approve.

hollowmirror wrote:This is true, but on another note. I don't understand why you (azezel) can't just sell your excess destroyers to someone that is interested in a new necron army. You'd get back a fair share and still have plenty to use. Yak hasn't confirmed it, but it's pretty widely accepted that they aren't limiting 'liths to just 1 per list. So you can keep both without concern there.

I just don't see why it has to be I sell every thing now because GW made a few destroyers unusable for me.

I REALLY can't imagine Monoliths becoming 0-1. Not least because Yak says 'All Vehicles: 1 per FOC ', but also a result of their popularity, symbolism and toughness-nerf, it seems highly unlikely to me.
As to your destroyer problem, you could swap them with someone/sell them, convert them to heavies, save them for apocalypse and so on... 6 extra destroyers (whilst understandably unfavourable) isn't the end of the world man, there's solutions.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:Assuming that Yak is correct in what has been posted (as are we all, it seems) then I will be left holding 6 useless Destroyers and 1 useless Monolith come Nov 5th.

Look on the bright side: You're still new to 'Crons, so you don't own any Pariahs like the rest of us. They're not even in the new Codex.

True... If only they would make excellent counts-as for Lychguard and Crypteks. And even Lords or Praetorians.

Wasn't there supposed to be a "Monsterous Creature" for the Necrons? Like the GK got the big knight, DE get Talos/Chronos. I know the FW centipede thing and the Tomb Spiders are big and pretty cool and big but I thought there was a rumor about something BIG.

I still get the Idea that the Necrons see themselves as superior to everyone else.

Thats my favorite part of the fluff.