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lord_blackfang wrote: If splitting a box I'd go straight quarter value for each of the squads, terrain, and rules materials.
Given what GW charges for terrain, I'd be biasing a bit more toward the terrain being "worth" more, there's no way you'd get that much terrain for the cost of a squad when they come out separately.
lord_blackfang wrote: If splitting a box I'd go straight quarter value for each of the squads, terrain, and rules materials.
Given what GW charges for terrain, I'd be biasing a bit more toward the terrain being "worth" more, there's no way you'd get that much terrain for the cost of a squad when they come out separately.
True. I think it evens out with people wanting to get the squads ahead of time, building Krieg platoons and so on tho, raising their desirability. And all the rules stuff together is also in the 60€ range I think.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
As GW loves cribbing ideas and pretending they invented it, I am shocked they haven't gone down the Battle Systems cardstock terrain route yet. It could give these kinds of big boxes a "fake" price reduction and make for really impressive table presence, which is about all they care for at this point.
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Aeneades wrote: From Dosjetka over on Bolter and Chainsword. Dosjetka posted about the Krieg Vs Kommando box last year (including that it would have new Ork terrain), they heard this from the same person -
There will also be a Kill Team box with Sisters Neophytes (new kit and unit entry) vs T'au Pathfinders (upgrade kit) with existing Imperial city terrain.
Please!!! Sisters Novitiates/Neophytes were featured in Shadow War Amrageddon, I would be all too happy to see them revived as a concept (since I have ~60 Grishnak Warmaidens I'd like to find a use for alongside my official sisters minis).
Would prefer Kroot Mercs to pathfinders though.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: As GW loves cribbing ideas and pretending they invented it, I am shocked they haven't gone down the Battle Systems cardstock terrain route yet. It could give these kinds of big boxes a "fake" price reduction and make for really impressive table presence, which is about all they care for at this point.
As a matter of fact GW has decades of history of cribbing Battle Systems' cardboard terrain idea!
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
I think the Kommandos are the better spec ops team of the two. Krieg would need those extra troopers more than the artillery support against the Kommandos.
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Cardboard terrain is great for starter boxes.
Keeps price down which makes it more approachable for newbies, and better value for people that don't need their own terrain (either because they already have their own or because they play 'elsewhere').
It's a shame they don't, I can only assume because GW wants to create the illusion that you need their fancy terrain for a game, and that no alternatives exist.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Please!!! Sisters Novitiates/Neophytes were featured in Shadow War Amrageddon, I would be all too happy to see them revived as a concept (since I have ~60 Grishnak Warmaidens I'd like to find a use for alongside my official sisters minis).
Would prefer Kroot Mercs to pathfinders though.
I think you'll get your Kroot Mercs wish, it just might not be right away or in a big box for a warzone. There's a "Cadre Mercenaries" Kill Team that's all Kroot.
infinite_array wrote:
Yes, but the Tier list has been widely known about and accepted in the Blood Bowl community and is pretty much a feature rather than a bug.
I can't imagine that working for 40k players.
Are you for real? So many people already talk about armies as "tiers" right now.
Well IMHO plastic terrain kits are way superior to cardboard terrain. I didn't like cardboard terrain in 90's GW games, and I still don't like it, just looks cheap.
You could replace the miniatures with cardboard pieces as well in that case. Even cheaper, and very easy to transport! That'd be like Battletech & Car Wars all over again.. no thx
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
infinite_array wrote: Yes, but the Tier list has been widely known about and accepted in the Blood Bowl community and is pretty much a feature rather than a bug.
I can't imagine that working for 40k players.
Are you for real? So many people already talk about armies as "tiers" right now.
Sorry, I meant more as a codified aspect of the rules.
I'm not plugged into the 40k tournament scene, but I'm guessing that while 40k has faction 'tiers,' there's isn't a formalized method of handing out handicaps to players to help balance things out. And it's seen as something that constantly needs to be juggled and fixed between codex releases.
Whereas in Blood Bowl tournaments, Tier 1 teams get the least amount of help, Tier 2 get a middling amount, and Tier 3 usually get a heap of bonuses. The Tiers don't move.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Terrain is pretty basic, mind you. Two copies each of two ruin-corner sprues, one oil pump sprue and the old ork rubble sprue from Speed Freeks/Mekboy Shop. Everything is monobuild so you're already starting off with 2 identical copies of the walls.
Kanluwen wrote: The Tau scenery kits are fortifications, not really scenery.
And up until the new KT Ork Terrain was just a Mek Shop and some junk piles, so why should what came before be any kind of limitation on what could come next?
lord_blackfang wrote: Terrain is pretty basic, mind you. Two copies each of two ruin-corner sprues, one oil pump sprue and the old ork rubble sprue from Speed Freeks/Mekboy Shop. Everything is monobuild so you're already starting off with 2 identical copies of the walls.
Two tiers of factions
....
And playing them against each other will be balance hell.
When the new edition of Blood Bowl came out last year, wasn't there a mention of the different teams being at different levels?
Each team literally has a “tier” stat on the roster. Thing is, the third tier is all the wacky gimmick teams like snotlings and ogres which are hilarious but absolutely need you to exploit every quirk and loophole you can find to be competitive because you’re inherently fighting a stack of randumb (literally - a 1 in 6 chance of standing around gawping at the scenery in several cases) from your own players. But because the tier stat is explicit now (it was real but implicit in previous editions), coaches treat them as difficulty levels, like in a video game. So veteran players will sometimes bust out a lovingly converted Halfling team for a nice challenge and new players can be pointed away from teams that will frustrate them into quitting.
An actual tier system in Kill Team would be a great idea, imho, especially if they want to emphasise the narrative play stuff.That said; please don’t take Ash’s performance in these videos as indicative - he’s a great guy and an absolute monster when it comes to speed-painting whole boxed sets in a day, but he has managed to lose to snotlings in blood bowl before… Also, they’re probably making rules mistakes because they’ve had the book in-hand for maybe a week by now.
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: As GW loves cribbing ideas and pretending they invented it, I am shocked they haven't gone down the Battle Systems cardstock terrain route yet. It could give these kinds of big boxes a "fake" price reduction and make for really impressive table presence, which is about all they care for at this point.
As a matter of fact GW has decades of history of cribbing Battle Systems' cardboard terrain idea!
Interesting. These guys don't reveal their tac ops cards until they attempt them, unlike what the Guerrilla guys did. I actually prefer that, keeps the enemy guessing.
EDIT: They have mixed up the AP rules with 40K.. AP doesn't lower your save, it removes defence dice instead
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: As GW loves cribbing ideas and pretending they invented it, I am shocked they haven't gone down the Battle Systems cardstock terrain route yet. It could give these kinds of big boxes a "fake" price reduction and make for really impressive table presence, which is about all they care for at this point.
As a matter of fact GW has decades of history of cribbing Battle Systems' cardboard terrain idea!
So nice.
I would LOVE a return of this kind of product. It would open up home play for a ton of people who have to choose between army and terrain storage. I'd buy the gak out of this.
I would LOVE a return of this kind of product. It would open up home play for a ton of people who have to choose between army and terrain storage. I'd buy the gak out of this.
Obsolutely!
The card is obviously going to wear out after a while but it would come with detail one doesn't have to paint, save for the plastic bits. Ah, the good ol'days!
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: As GW loves cribbing ideas and pretending they invented it, I am shocked they haven't gone down the Battle Systems cardstock terrain route yet. It could give these kinds of big boxes a "fake" price reduction and make for really impressive table presence, which is about all they care for at this point.
As a matter of fact GW has decades of history of cribbing Battle Systems' cardboard terrain idea!
So nice.
I would LOVE a return of this kind of product. It would open up home play for a ton of people who have to choose between army and terrain storage. I'd buy the gak out of this.
Honestly, while they look a bit too sci-fi, the infinity terrain packs are fantastic value for money and more sturdy than just cardboard, and they're designed for skirmish gaming too, so I think they'd be the best cheap alternative to GWs plastic terrain?
Cronch wrote: Honestly, while they look a bit too sci-fi, the infinity terrain packs are fantastic value for money and more sturdy than just cardboard, and they're designed for skirmish gaming too, so I think they'd be the best cheap alternative to GWs plastic terrain?
There are two grades of the infinity terrain. The newer ones are thick cardboard, but the older one are much thinner card stock designed to wrap around the smaller cardboard boxes the minis come in. I think only the new stuff would be worth getting.
My local got a preview box in, hot damn this kit is gorgeous. The terrain is the best I've seen from GW, the level of detail and texture on those sprues is incredible. The Kommandos kit is really impressive, I counted 22 heads on the sprue so quite a bit of potential variation there, theres loads of gubbinz and variability there. But that Krieg kit. Oh. My. God. The minis are everything I hoped they would be, they are a very good size, really nice details, good proportions, you get 10 basic gasmask heads plus 1-2 more which looked about the same, and then 1 of the grenadier style faceplates, and you get enough lasguns on the sprues to do all sorts of different builds - including "at attention"/standing around poses with the rifle shouldered.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: As GW loves cribbing ideas and pretending they invented it, I am shocked they haven't gone down the Battle Systems cardstock terrain route yet. It could give these kinds of big boxes a "fake" price reduction and make for really impressive table presence, which is about all they care for at this point.
As a matter of fact GW has decades of history of cribbing Battle Systems' cardboard terrain idea!
Holy moley, first time seeing a couple of these, the Imperial Firebase and Ork Stronghold are great
Automatically Appended Next Post: @Sledgehammer - I would guess that there will be a follow-on compendium/annual type book coming at a later date which will include those lists, or they will be made available online or something.
They have to release them separately eventually, otherwise there would be no point in making both kill teams available in a standalone box format.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
The distraction grot has flippers on his backpack. And the diver Kommando has an Orky harpoon gun on his backpack. Hahahaha!
Yeah, so, place I pre-ordered from was sold out inside of 7m.
Here's something curious that I did not expect. Check out the frame breakdown for the Kriegers:
Spoiler:
The first two pics are each one half of the sprue. The extra sprue is a separate sprue. So the regular Medic bits are part of the main sprue, but the medical bag, demo guy, radio guy, zealot guy, bionic arm guy - all on a completely separate unattached sprue. Orks, on the other hand, are on a full 3-wide sprue.
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11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
3730 Total (210pts painted) 
Thought for the day 
