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Hopefuly the combined Cauldron +daughters kit gets restocked/repackaged and is still sold. If so that will be as key as any getting started kit.

 Binabik15 wrote:
The witch elves not getting the "double sprues, not double price" treatment is certainly infuriating. But I guess with GW allegedly having their factory run at max capacity they won't budge on prices anymore.

Them not getting the double sprues/double price thing likely has to do with, in addition to production capacity(which doesn't have to do with product pricing BTW: they've said they're not changing old prices except for repackaging for better value), stock levels that already existing.
They probably don't want to release double boxes for discounted prices to avoid having stock sitting on the shelves that won't ever sell.

With that said, I fully expect that we'll see a Start Collecting set fairly soon since it would be(as mentioned) basically repacks.
I'm thinking:
Doomfire Warlocks box
Witch Elves box x2

But the witches were just reboxed to round bases, weren't they? So all those sprues could sit in shiny new double boxes.

If I buy into DoK the ones coming with the Cauldeon would be enough for me I think, so it's not the worst thing ever for me. It would've been nice, though.

 Binabik15 wrote:
But the witches were just reboxed to round bases, weren't they? So all those sprues could sit in shiny new double boxes.

They're being released on round bases, yes. We don't know when the stuff was actually reboxed.

If I buy into DoK the ones coming with the Cauldeon would be enough for me I think, so it's not the worst thing ever for me. It would've been nice, though.

Would have been, certainly. I don't know why some stuff was reboxed while other stuff wasn't. I won't even pretend to know why.

I feel, personally, that GW is still trying to work out exactly how/what to make things really work when it comes to the older "Goldsword" styled kits.

I think the Blood coven set is going to remain the closest thing the DoK have to a start collecting box for quite a while yet. Unless GW surprise us with a SC exclusive model the Cauldron of Blood kit is there only source of hero's apart from Morathi.

 Irbis wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Yep, unfortunately if you want to run any leader other than Morathi you have to get the Cauldron/Shrine kit or do some kitbashing. Fingers crossed we will see more releases in the future though.

I really hope DoK get Shadespire band soon, they could use a new hero sculpt and a few minis you could use as unit leaders for their old kit...

Also now that legions of nagash have come out without a single new kit

*cough* Knight of Shrouds? *cough*

The Knight of Shrouds isn't even in the Legions of Nagash book. It's almost insulting to even call him a Death release. Yes, you can get the horribly overpriced small sprue hero for your Death armies if you'd really want to but to say the Knight of Shrouds is a release for Death is like saying the Shadespire skeletons are a Death release.

How come every other Grand Alliance has had a new kit release (in fact they have had multiple) and Death still gets nothing. Zero. They just throw at us new ways of building the same kits (the plaenquin and the flesh eater unit from the vargheist box) and what do we get? More elves. And then the Idoneth Deepkin. What would it hurt them to have a single Death release?

How about a book, some dice and 5 new kits? Is that really too much?

I know, off topic and I should be patient. Trying.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
But the witches were just reboxed to round bases, weren't they? So all those sprues could sit in shiny new double boxes.

They're being released on round bases, yes. We don't know when the stuff was actually reboxed.

If I buy into DoK the ones coming with the Cauldeon would be enough for me I think, so it's not the worst thing ever for me. It would've been nice, though.

Would have been, certainly. I don't know why some stuff was reboxed while other stuff wasn't. I won't even pretend to know why.

I feel, personally, that GW is still trying to work out exactly how/what to make things really work when it comes to the older "Goldsword" styled kits.

At least they're not webstore exclusive, that shaves off quite a bit when importing the kits. Buying directly from GW Germany is not something I like to do, everything is super expensive when not filtered through a weak £ and online discounts Plus one of the guys in my formerly not so local store was a rude, unfriendly, pushy guy that made me not want to go there, not even to check new releases in the flesh.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I think the Blood coven set is going to remain the closest thing the DoK have to a start collecting box for quite a while yet. Unless GW surprise us with a SC exclusive model the Cauldron of Blood kit is there only source of hero's apart from Morathi.

This will probably be the case, the cauldron is kind of essential to a new player since all the HQ units are in it...especially if you're looking to start AoS at a lower points setup like I would. I don't like games like AoS or 40k when battles get too large. This release kind of feels like it didn't get as much effort as I would have liked. 3 new kits (one of which is a centerpiece model for larger battles meaning i'll never use her) and all the HQ choices being part of an older kit, the lack of any Melusai exalted leader (they are even said to be the true daughters of morathi). All of this combined with their basic battleline units being incredibly expensive means i'll be skipping this release for now. Not to mention these models (some of the older ones included) being amongst the most physically fragile plastic models i've seen in some time. I don't see the point in delving into such an expensive army with such underwhelming leader choices while there's something insane and new like Idoneth Deepkin looming on the horizon. So for now at least i'm going to sit back and watch, it may be some time yet before I jump onboard with AoS and start an army.

 Thargrim wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I think the Blood coven set is going to remain the closest thing the DoK have to a start collecting box for quite a while yet. Unless GW surprise us with a SC exclusive model the Cauldron of Blood kit is there only source of hero's apart from Morathi.

This will probably be the case, the cauldron is kind of essential to a new player since all the HQ units are in it...especially if you're looking to start AoS at a lower points setup like I would. I don't like games like AoS or 40k when battles get too large. This release kind of feels like it didn't get as much effort as I would have liked. 3 new kits (one of which is a centerpiece model for larger battles meaning i'll never use her) and all the HQ choices being part of an older kit, the lack of any Melusai exalted leader (they are even said to be the true daughters of morathi). All of this combined with their basic battleline units being incredibly expensive means i'll be skipping this release for now. Not to mention these models (some of the older ones included) being amongst the most physically fragile plastic models i've seen in some time. I don't see the point in delving into such an expensive army with such underwhelming leader choices while there's something insane and new like Idoneth Deepkin looming on the horizon. So for now at least i'm going to sit back and watch, it may be some time yet before I jump onboard with AoS and start an army.

I too will be waiting to see the Idoneth but ironically the Daugters of Khaine are one of the cheapest armies to collect in Japan. The bloodcoven is 20% cheaper than a start collecting. 2 of those gives you a Cauldron, a bloodwrack shrine, a hag queen, a slaughter queen, a medusa, a unit of witch Aelves and a unit of sisters of slaughter. That is a very good foundation for an army. The witch Elves are also cheaper than any new core unit here. Of course all this means that it is merely very expensive rather than astronomically so. If the deepkin end up disappointing I will collect a DoK army for sure.
For those on the fence it is always worth remembering that gw will probably do battleforces at Christmas.

How is the BloodCoven 20% cheaper than a SC!? The SC! are cheaper than the Blood Coven box! 65€vs80€. Is Japan price the inverse? But now the Cauldron of Blood is very very good value. You can have a Blood Cauldron/The Altar with the Mirror+the two Heroes+Meduase+Avatar of Khaine all from a single kit (If you build the blood cauldron or the Bloodwrack altar without the statue/medusa)

But yeah this army is very cool, I'm glad they can ally with the Deep Sea elves. Probably I'll try a very greek army with Harpies, Medusae and Gorgons archers and the ones with spears without actual Daughters of Khaine, and with the hoplite deep sea elves infantry that was rumored, etc...

 Galas wrote:
How is the BloodCoven 20% cheaper than a SC!? The SC! are cheaper than the Blood Coven box! 65€vs80€. Is Japan price the inverse?

Yes. The BloodCoven is ¥9800. Sc is ¥1150. The BloodCoven is also cheaper in Australia and New Zealand. Hopefully we will see more of the Idoneth on Saturday and then I can make some purchasing decisions. The rumours of seahorses and giant Turtles sound very interesting.

GW and their crazy regional prices again

I am certain they have their reasons, tough they may be as labyrinthine and far fetched as a scheme by Morathi.

I always assumed weird prices like that were because of exchange rate: they release a kit with a given price tag in pounds, then price it in another currency based on the exchange rate at the time. Then later on, they release a new kit with the same price tag in pounds, but since the exchange rate changed a lot, the two kits don't end up with the same price tag in the other currency.
Obviously GW is far from applying even close to a normal exchange rate, and they do try to keep some sort of consistency between releases, but I just assumed it still played a role.

fresus wrote:
I always assumed weird prices like that were because of exchange rate: they release a kit with a given price tag in pounds, then price it in another currency based on the exchange rate at the time. Then later on, they release a new kit with the same price tag in pounds, but since the exchange rate changed a lot, the two kits don't end up with the same price tag in the other currency.
Obviously GW is far from applying even close to a normal exchange rate, and they do try to keep some sort of consistency between releases, but I just assumed it still played a role.

GW doesn't do exact currency exchanges. Items are priced in bands/brackets based on the item in question--sometimes it seems like the different regions get different prices on items simply because of...well who knows.

Basically, I like to blame Wizards for it.

Daughters of Khaine Faction Focus - Old Units, New Tricks

This is first time I see new stance of 'no bits, no rules' worked the other way, and both DoK kits actually got access to the other options on their sprue that were useless before...

 Irbis wrote:
This is first time I see new stance of 'no bits, no rules' worked the other way, and both DoK kits actually got access to the other options on their sprue that were useless before...

You seemingly haven't paid much attention to 40k then!

They literally created a whole new entry of Ogryn just to make this idea work for anyone who wanted Nork Deddog(Ogryn of both flavors are taken in groups of 3--Nork can only be built out of the box of 3. Building Nork means you have two Ogryn leftover).
They gave Genestealers a new rule related to a little gribbly scenery piece that's been on their sprue for god knows how long.

Doomfire Warlocks act as light cavalry for your Daughters of Khaine army, and have been improved in several small ways. For one, they now wield Doomfire Crossbows,

Looking at the sprue there's only one crossbow in the kit which is a bit odd unless its only a special single unit option.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Those ruins do seem to stack well. Shame there are no floor sections though.

I'll be using pre-scored tile sheets of plasticard

 Overread wrote:

Doomfire Warlocks act as light cavalry for your Daughters of Khaine army, and have been improved in several small ways. For one, they now wield Doomfire Crossbows,

Looking at the sprue there's only one crossbow in the kit which is a bit odd unless its only a special single unit option.

Are you counting the ones stowed on the steed's harness? You can see an example in the top pic...

 Overread wrote:

Doomfire Warlocks act as light cavalry for your Daughters of Khaine army, and have been improved in several small ways. For one, they now wield Doomfire Crossbows,

Looking at the sprue there's only one crossbow in the kit which is a bit odd unless its only a special single unit option.

There are 5 that I saw holstered crossbows on the sprue. I'm assuming that's what they added so Warlocks could get even better for their point value. 160pts for a "10-wound" wizard with an awesome Mortal wound spell, access to the lore of shadows, 10 crossbow shots, and 20 close combat attacks (dudes and horses) just feels so good.

Ahh I missed them on the horses harness - that certainly works a lot better for having them equipped as such!

 Ghaz wrote:

I don't remember GW ever selling a Bloodwrack Medusa outside of the plastic kit. Are you thinking of Dechala maybe?

No... I distinctly remember looking at the Bloodwrack Medusa as a unique kit and wondering whether I should buy it even if it didn't fit any of my WFB armies. It was part of my waste-time-at-work-by-looking-at-nice-models-I-might-buy-one-day routine for a while. Then, one day, it no longer appeared on its own.

Now... this was back in the WFB days many moons ago, so I may be remembering it incorrectly. I'm certainly not going to bet money on it or get into any kind of argument about it. I could be wrong - especially since everyone else who's commented says I am - so I'll just file it under "wistful dreams of the WFB era" and move on with my life.

Could be that GW listed it on its own listing even though it was part of the Cauldron kit. Just like they list all 3 versions of the cauldron kit right now - a listing error or one that proved unpopular considering the price it would have had for the single model.

They did something similar for the Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch. They listed it by itself, but the link (and price!) called out the whole Burning Chariot kit.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
They did something similar for the Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch. They listed it by itself, but the link (and price!) called out the whole Burning Chariot kit.

The same happens with the Magmadroth. Its listed on himself but you buy the full SC!

 Galas wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
They did something similar for the Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch. They listed it by itself, but the link (and price!) called out the whole Burning Chariot kit.

The same happens with the Magmadroth. Its listed on himself but you buy the full SC!

That's because they don't sell the Magmadroth by itself anymore.

Magmadroth Product Info wrote:Please note – when you purchase this miniature, you’ll receive the Start Collecting! Fyreslayers box. This contains the complete Magmadroth kit, with all the options as described here, as well as 10 Vulkite Berzerkers, for the same price!

 Kanluwen wrote:
You seemingly haven't paid much attention to 40k then!

They literally created a whole new entry of Ogryn just to make this idea work for anyone who wanted Nork Deddog(Ogryn of both flavors are taken in groups of 3--Nork can only be built out of the box of 3. Building Nork means you have two Ogryn leftover).
They gave Genestealers a new rule related to a little gribbly scenery piece that's been on their sprue for god knows how long.

It doesn't count, though, the bodyguard still has only options the sprue comes with, and the customization is largely cosmetic. Ditto for GK GM in kid carrier. Both are nice options to have, but are essentially same as SM lieutenant/captain, kitbashes using existing stuff with limited options, sometimes absurdly so, like in the case of Primaris characters.

The DoK, though, not only lost rigid only possible way of arming them, but say the cavalry crossbows are option that didn't existed at all before, being weapon lifted from what in AoS is entirely different army (yeah, I still find it funny it's now dual-army, single-unit kit). It's like tactical squad suddenly gained Deathwatch-like wargear freedom, much bigger deal than what you suggest, IMO.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
This is first time I see new stance of 'no bits, no rules' worked the other way, and both DoK kits actually got access to the other options on their sprue that were useless before...

You seemingly haven't paid much attention to 40k then!

They literally created a whole new entry of Ogryn just to make this idea work for anyone who wanted Nork Deddog(Ogryn of both flavors are taken in groups of 3--Nork can only be built out of the box of 3. Building Nork means you have two Ogryn leftover).
They gave Genestealers a new rule related to a little gribbly scenery piece that's been on their sprue for god knows how long.

Age of Sigmar was doing this before it was cool--the Flesh Eater Courts battletome introduced a whole new unit entry made using an old kit. Crypt Flayers alongside Crypt Horrors & Vargheists. All of the Courtiers minus Varghulf are new entries made by mixing bits like that as well.