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 Sir Arun wrote:
Except the Inquisition codex cannot be bought unless you're the kind of nerd who brings his ipad or laptop to a game.

wait... so you're playing warhammer, but feel justified looking down on the dorks who uses computers? I was in the mindset that apple products were more socially accepted nowdays than warhammer... it might be a local thing here though.

 pretre wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Except the Inquisition codex cannot be bought unless you're the kind of nerd who brings his ipad or laptop to a game.

Or, you know, have access to a printer...

Here let me give cynicism a try

Just for you wargamers who dont own a portable tablet or like the feel of a physical copy, direct for you Games Workshop (TM) Official Codex Paperium, official Games Workshop paper for you to print out your digital codex, sold in packs of 20 sheets for $50!

Howd I do?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I wish there was a way for me to earn money for every time someone in a rumors thread says "it's too early to judge!" before gak hits the fan and our worst fears are validated.

Not a lot of money. Just a few cents per denial.

I don't get this mentality. The last codex that was truly terribad was the Nid one. All others have been at worst, just thoroughly mediocre.

The fear for the last few codices was that they would be mediocre, with inclusions of moronic random charts and the completely arbitrary and nonsensical removal of units and special characters.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Except the Inquisition codex cannot be bought unless you're the kind of nerd who brings his ipad or laptop to a game.

Or, you know, have access to a printer...

Here let me give cynicism a try

Just for you wargamers who dont own a portable tablet or like the feel of a physical copy, direct for you Games Workshop (TM) Official Codex Paperium, official Games Workshop paper for you to print out your digital codex, sold in packs of 20 sheets for $50!

Howd I do?

You can also purchase our 1 click bundle deal and get 2 for 100$

Think of the time you will save!!!!!!!

Ugh.

It bears repeating...

"For this thread to have some utility and remain useful, please refrain from spamming it with 'jokes'." - Alpharius

And yes, I know you were attempting satire.

 pretre wrote:
Ugh.

It bears repeating...

"For this thread to have some utility and remain useful, please refrain from spamming it with 'jokes'." - Alpharius

And yes, I know you were attempting satire.

This thread technically hasnt been usefull for the last 40 pages or so...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Except the Inquisition codex cannot be bought unless you're the kind of nerd who brings his ipad or laptop to a game.

Or, you know, have access to a printer...

Here let me give cynicism a try

Just for you wargamers who dont own a portable tablet or like the feel of a physical copy, direct for you Games Workshop (TM) Official Codex Paperium, official Games Workshop paper for you to print out your digital codex, sold in packs of 20 sheets for $50!

Howd I do?

A+, would read again.

I use an iPad for MayaNet (infinity), War Room (Warmachine), and pdfs for Malifaux (legit Wyrd PDFs). Its a useful tool when app is completely designed for the game.Both MayaNet and War Room are full of all the games rules at one click away. GWs products, even the iBooks, are terrible as they aren't all in one solutions
If you do as they want and run allies, swapping those I/ebooks are terrible. If GW wasn't so hard to rake you over the coals through nickel and dime tactics, an all in one app with one fee, like war room for $60, would do wondrous things for the game.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I wish there was a way for me to earn money for every time someone in a rumors thread says "it's too early to judge!" before gak hits the fan and our worst fears are validated.

Not a lot of money. Just a few cents per denial.

I don't get this mentality. The last codex that was truly terribad was the Nid one. All others have been at worst, just thoroughly mediocre.

The fear for the last few codices was that they would be mediocre, with inclusions of moronic random charts and the completely arbitrary and nonsensical removal of units and special characters.

in fairness GW's never arbitrarily removed units and characters. every unit and character removed from the codices since 6th edition have all been ones GW has not made minis for. (with the exception of some stuff for IG, those may have been old metal Minis GW just wanted to stop stocking though? did GW even make them as finecast?)

from the prespective of the grey knights the stuff removed makes some sense if you examine where GW seems to be moving. Not saying it's good, not saying it's bad, but for the most part we should proably have expected this.


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 exploited751 wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:


As for the GK codex, I am sure we will the see stat line of the Grand Master match that of a SM chapter master. It's kind of sad that the most elite of the elite Space Marine chapter is lead by a GM that has one less wound and can't move and shoot his orbital bombardment (which costs 50 pts) unlike the SM CM.

Dragio already has 4 wounds just like generic chapter masters. If you mean the generic grandmaster, I could see GW going eaither way as they could well adopt the stance that they're not real chapter masters and are more like glorified captains.

that said, I suspect we;ll see that 4th wound, as otherwise there's no differance between them and Brother captains save some war gear and special abilities, right now

Here's the big kit bundle for the GK



£130 ($215) for 22 models

I'll leave it for those more familiar with the range to figure out the saving

$60 bucks for the 10 man strikes
$53.75 For the Dreadknight
$50 for the 5 man Paladin box
$33 for the purifier box (5 man purifiers with 4 heavy weapons O.o)
$74.25 for the Land Raider

$271 USD for all of those separately. If my math is correct you save about $56 bucks.

Not bad

Its a pretty good little starter for GK, which they never had

Nothing about 'Lord of Terra/Titan', unsurprisingly.

After a discounter you could actually wind up with a significant GK army for around $350 if you grabbed 2 of these.

Hmm, that's new.
Since when does my country pay more than Germany?
Guess I need to take a bus for 15 minutes to get cheaper stuff :O

That GW marketing line for the Grey Knight box could be one of my all time favorites.

"The warriors within can be used to create a variety of different squads, depending on what you want in your army!"

I guess three is technically a variety. "Do you want your power armor in grey, grey, or grey with antennas?"

Nice spin, good marketing talk for "You're getting nothing new."

 Auswin wrote:
That GW marketing line for the Grey Knight box could be one of my all time favorites.

"The warriors within can be used to create a variety of different squads, depending on what you want in your army!"

I guess three is technically a variety. "Do you want your power armor in grey, grey, or grey with antennas?"

Nice spin, good marketing talk for "You're getting nothing new."

And what do you expect them to claim?

That you can make your Strike Squad into Ultramarine Scouts? Your Paladins into Deathwing Terminators?

Within the GK codex, they can make different type of power armored Grey Knights units.

I dont see how thats any sort of 'spin'

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


And what do you expect them to claim?

That you can make your Strike Squad into Ultramarine Scouts? Your Paladins into Deathwing Terminators?

Within the GK codex, they can make different type of power armored Grey Knights units.

I dont see how thats any sort of 'spin'

They don't need to claim anything. They're pushing what appears to be a half-assed codex out the door with no new models and very likely a lot of things taken out. Then we'll all buy it (me included) because we kind of have to in order to play the army we own.

It's marketing talk. They need to find a way to say something invigorating instead of "Here's the same stuff you've been staring at for three years, but in a new box."

Am I salty this is without a doubt the worst hardback release? Yep, sure am. "Spin" wasn't the right word, just popped into my head.

 Auswin wrote:
That GW marketing line for the Grey Knight box could be one of my all time favorites.

"The warriors within can be used to create a variety of different squads, depending on what you want in your army!"

I guess three is technically a variety. "Do you want your power armor in grey, grey, or grey with antennas?"

Nice spin, good marketing talk for "You're getting nothing new."

How the hell is that spin? The PAGK kit indeed lets you make 3 different units (GKSS, Purifiers, Purgation) and the Termies let you make 2 (regular and Paladins) all with vastly different roles.

 Auswin wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


And what do you expect them to claim?

That you can make your Strike Squad into Ultramarine Scouts? Your Paladins into Deathwing Terminators?

Within the GK codex, they can make different type of power armored Grey Knights units.

I dont see how thats any sort of 'spin'

They don't need to claim anything. They're pushing what appears to be a half-assed codex out the door with no new models and very likely a lot of things taken out. Then we'll all buy it (me included) because we kind of have to in order to play the army we own.

It's marketing talk. They need to find a way to say something invigorating instead of "Here's the same stuff you've been staring at for three years, but in a new box."

Am I salty this is without a doubt the worst hardback release? Yep, sure am.

More like "Here's a decently priced, varied starter kit that, for the last 3 years, you had to buy individually at a higher cost"

Didn't see this posted so have fun

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


More like "Here's a decently priced, varied starter kit that you havent had for 3 years"

How silly of me. That's much better then.

Seriously, it's a nice box for someone starting out. It's a shame I've got the box twice over or I'd be in for it. The overall quality of the GW starter boxes have been vastly superior to the old stuff, but it just feels like I'm waiting for an ax to drop and render a pure GK army pointless, unless I'm willing to ally.

Conversion.

 Auswin wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


More like "Here's a decently priced, varied starter kit that you havent had for 3 years"

How silly of me. That's much better then.

Seriously, it's a nice box for someone starting out. It's a shame I've got the box twice over or I'd be in for it. The overall quality of the GW starter boxes have been vastly superior to the old stuff, but it just feels like I'm waiting for an ax to drop and render a pure GK army pointless, unless I'm willing to ally.

The targeted audience for starter boxes, are not usually the people that already have armies...

I wish that kit was available when I started out as well

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Didn't see this posted so have fun

Well its neither of the Forgeworld arms. Just checked. Does look like a quad gun conversion. Unless the new gK Dreadnought kit has auto cannons.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Conversion.

Which I believe the old GK book was famous for. Didn't they feature FW stuff in the painting section as well as converted inquisition/ GK stuff?

It's the BA Libby Dread. That's a DK shield covering up the BA Iconography and a Paladin head.

Edit: Good idea though. Might make one of those myself.

so its just about official then? The GK release is the most pathetic of 6th edition+ so far?

Very disappointed. I'm now really afraid for my necrons getting the GK treatment. :S

 pretre wrote:
Codex: Inquisition has about 60 pages of rules in ePub format, btw. Which, when you set to 4UP, means it takes 15 pages of paper (or 8 if you double side them). Certainly easier to carry than an iPad or laptop.

You may want to make a simple guide for people who are wondering how to do that, assuming it is all legal of course.

(Which is me, I totally want to do that, just no idea how. )

I doubt GW cares as long as you own a copy of it, and arent trying to sell paper versions.

Frankly, I'm more concerned with the book at the bottom of that list by ADB going for £40! Its definitely not a novel at that price!

 Happygrunt wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Codex: Inquisition has about 60 pages of rules in ePub format, btw. Which, when you set to 4UP, means it takes 15 pages of paper (or 8 if you double side them). Certainly easier to carry than an iPad or laptop.

You may want to make a simple guide for people who are wondering how to do that, assuming it is all legal of course.

(Which is me, I totally want to do that, just no idea how. )

Most eBook software doesn't do it because publishers generally want control over that kind of stuff. Calibre is a very ereader software in general, and I think it's what I normally use to do my printing. I have a binder with Stronghold Assault and random datasheets/Escalation rules printed out in it to refer to during games. No one has questioned it even once, but just in case, I normally keep the epubs on my phone.

Far as the legality goes, ask a lawyer. Dakka will give you 3 answers, all of which will be wrong.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
I doubt GW cares as long as you own a copy of it, and arent trying to sell paper versions.

I believe somewhere in the legal disclaimer of the e-pub version, it states one copy can be printed for personal use.


As for the topic of the thread, I for one am quite sad after spending a lot of having my Coteaz commissioned ($250). I am a fan of a one codex army, I like being able to just have it all in one book, and don't use allies very often.

I think GK need to keep psybolt ammunition for them to be any what competitive, and while I am not huge into the competitive scene, it is nice to go to a tournament and atleast stand a chance. I think with a points reduction, and psybolt ammunition we can stand a chance.

If they take out psybolt and keep points generally the same without adding anything new I think we will be in big trouble. Either way I though the same about my nids when they were released, that they were doomed but it turned out they were ok. Pre-codex doom and gloom will always happen. Stay optimistic brothers, lets work with what we get!