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 kirotheavenger wrote:
Orks in particular seem to have gotten the short end of the stick. Bit of a shame really.

Another strange thing is that Krieg get orders for free, and have a set of strategems.
Whereas regular Guard have to spend CP to use those same orders as their strategems.

I suppose that's "Veteran" guardsmen for you

 Duskweaver wrote:

Oof...

Can't even mix types of Marines. Nothing has special rules either. This means that much more of each page is literally white space.

WTF? Dodged a bullet with this one...

If Adam "I'm going to tell you why latest GW thing is awesome and you should buy it" says a GW product is bad, it must indeed be bad.

Was literally sitting down to start painting a Necron Kill team of several Flayed ones, warriors, a Deathmark and a few Immortals.

As the video went on I realized I was working on an invalid team in the new rules. Customization is the main draw for Kill Team. I have like 5 different factions I've converted over the last edition and now everything is invalid if I don't field full squads for each unit type. Why wouldn't I just play Combat Patrol in that case?

I guess I'm cancelling my preorder. What a huge miss from GW.

Got to have room for supplements eh. Make lousy get you by rules, then expensive supplement to give proper rules

It is extremely obvious that the new edition of Kill Team is designed for bespoke teams, which are coming in boxes, as opposed to the more generic teams of the last edition. I won't buy the compendium at all, as it looks like a complete waste of money. As the official teams come out, I'll grab the ones I want, however. The bones of the new edition look much better than the lazy, boring game that was last edition Kill Team.

Woah damn, Adam saying a GW product, that he got for free, is bad? It must be goddamn abysmal

I wouldn't mind it being just an index, if it was priced like an index. £30 to get what would essentially be three pages of bland rules for my faction is a total no-go.

Secondly, we can reasonably expect that this index is all that some teams will have.
Will they ever release an Octarius style Scion team, now that Guard already have Krieg? Probably not, and certainly not any time soon.

Index 8th was okay because it was cheap and you knew you'd be getting a full codex within a year or two.
This is not cheap and you might well be stuck playing these rules forever.

I think it would have been much better if they had included generic specialisms, or even just let each team select a few battle honours out the gate, so you can at least get a bit of that individualistic feel.

Well Warcry have 6 exclusive teams at launch, this isn't specialist games studio so if they want to go for the unique team get unique rules road that could be done.

They also could re-release the Rogue Trader and Escalation BSF team as one of the launch team, 1 team on a single sprue for 60-75US$, instant profit.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Possibly there will be a veteran guardsman kit with the extra sprue, and a regular guardsman kit with 20 basic troops and no extra sprue?

That's what I am thinking will be the case. The rumored Pathfinders with upgrade frame for Tau makes sense in that context, as does the Krieg frame being separate while the Kommandos are all set up like a kit.

What’s with the tallens team, it seems way overturned and doesn’t even have lack of numbers to hold it back if you take sisters of silence : 9

Teams like demons got no effort or care, and Eldar seems like they didn’t really know if they where elite or horde.

Might as well spend an extra £10 and get the 40K rule book and a new edition codex.

 Arbitrator wrote:
If Adam "I'm going to tell you why latest GW thing is awesome and you should buy it" says a GW product is bad, it must indeed be bad.

On the contrary, I just read the three articles from Goonhammer* and decided to unsubscribe from Tabletop Minions. Different strokes and all that.

* Compendium is bland compared to Octarius kill teams but a better place to start for new players. Simpler choices and lots of excess has been reined in.

Why does GW have to make everything so complicated?

Watched one of the short reviews, do not like what I’m hearing. I was planning on grabbing the rules and the compendium, as I don’t want any of the plastic from the box. Not any more. Once KTs for factions I care about drop, I’ll reconsider. Or if they do big boxes with terrain That matches my table.

One thing that wasn’t covered in the video I watched that might have been in another is if SM get any options, with the kits that do have them. For example, infiltrators have a medic and a coms trooper. Did they even bother to give us those options?

For those saying that factions will get better rules when they get bespoke boxes - yes and no.

We aren't going to be seeing mixed units for those, I can almost guarantee. They are just going to use it as an excuse to put out new kits for aging 40k units.

So expect a Striking Scorpion set, or a Rangers set and that's all you can take.

I would be shocked if we see a SM team with 3 intercessors, a couple reivers or infiltrators and a Heavy intercessor or anything like that. No actual "kill teams" of specialists, just minimum units squads of 40k units.

After watching the Glass Half Dead reviews, there are at least more options for some factions, but Space Marines are vanilla as hell. Luckily my only SM faction is Death Watch but I'm realizing I have about twice as many models as I need for some teams, and not enough for others. Also not elites or Commanders in a $50 compendium.

Hype is just all gone on for this release. Never fun to have to spend time looking over rules just to figure out how to even put together a valid force with units that were all valid options for the entirety of the previous edition.

 Nevelon wrote:
Watched one of the short reviews, do not like what I’m hearing. I was planning on grabbing the rules and the compendium, as I don’t want any of the plastic from the box. Not any more. Once KTs for factions I care about drop, I’ll reconsider. Or if they do big boxes with terrain That matches my table.

One thing that wasn’t covered in the video I watched that might have been in another is if SM get any options, with the kits that do have them. For example, infiltrators have a medic and a coms trooper. Did they even bother to give us those options?

Yes, Infiltrators can buy a medic as part of the equipment, for example.
Honestly it's strange choice of how to implement it imo

Received this months White Dwarf today, preview for next month is Kill Teams so will hopefully be some decent content.

Yeah, not even slightly surprised by the compendium being bland (it’s the blac codex/ravening hordes style get-you-by book but for money) but as for the team structure; given the no-points list building system, having units with bare minimum flexibility is the only way they could realistically do it and I’m not confident later releases will actually improve that.

Oh they definitely won't, it seems fairly clear that Octarius will be the standard going forwards.
So there will be more options going forwards, in the sense of specialists. Although it seems balance isn't great and you're clearly expected to be taking the best options.

Slow, lumbering Plague Marines get as many troopers as the personal guard of the Emperor. Wtf.

The way the kill teams are structured it’s just gonna look like a small game of 40k as far as troop diversity goes. I’ll just play combat patrol games.

Glad I decided not to get this after all. Looks like a fething train wreck.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Slow, lumbering Plague Marines get as many troopers as the personal guard of the Emperor. Wtf.

The way the kill teams are structured it’s just gonna look like a small game of 40k as far as troop diversity goes. I’ll just play combat patrol games.

Glad I decided not to get this after all. Looks like a fething train wreck.

I think some of the teams are better than others, demons could have been really interesting if they had some more equipment to change up a team.
GW seems to push away from mono god, and yet players seem to push towards it constantly.

Eldar I think would have gone a long way to having a aspect fire team. Rather than dire avengers, as it opens the whole team up and makes people think about things that will be added.
Also guardians are a miss :( feels like they want Eldar to have a group of each, why saying the game is easier to get into than ever.
Both I think are just disappointment, and the aspects feel kinda meh since they should be elite within the army.

Maybe I missed it, anyone know if/when the death korps minis will be available separately?

 Necros wrote:
Maybe I missed it, anyone know if/when the death korps minis will be available separately?

I don’t think you missed it, when it happens I think is all we know.

JFC, you can mix different models from one army into one killteam? This is just insane. Whole point of this sort of skirmish game is that every model can be an individual.

I rally don't understand what the point of this sort of blandification is. It can't even be making GW any money, as this means that those rare individuals that actually decide to play this game will just need to buy one unit box instead of buying several to mix and match.

Just finished reading the Goonhammer Compendium review. I think the book isn't as rotten as first impression might lead to believe. I'd play a few games and see how it feels first.

Already made a fire team from my "Squad Lorenzo", now thinking I want to get into 2 Custodes + 5 Sos team next. Harlies sound like fun too, as do Kroots & Tau!

I can understand being upset if your old teams are incompatible though. The idea in Compendium seems to be to force everyone into fielding operatives which can be used as a legal unit in 40K as well. So in that sense KT still remains an "entry point game" for 40K..

 Crimson wrote:
JFC, you can mix different models from one army into one killteam? This is just insane. Whole point of this sort of skirmish game is that every model can be an individual.

I rally don't understand what the point of this sort of blandification is. It can't even be making GW any money, as this means that those rare individuals that actually decide to play this game will just need to buy one unit box instead of buying several to mix and match.

Depends a bit on the faction itself, but for a good portion of them it’s Pick two types. That’s what you get, upgrades may depend.

Daemons didn’t even get there special numbers for a bit of fun, too hard to balanced!

Response to just above
I think the price on top is just to steep to have that attitude to it. They are really expensive books, and extras. On top of boxes of minis, eldar and demons only sorta has a one box builds. Out of luck if you want anything out of that.
With a lot of factions left to wait for longer for there update.

reading the goonhammer review of the rules (link here), i have to aggree with some of thier points in regards to list building. The designers clearly wanted to get away form the problem (perceived or real) that to make a "good" kill team, you needed to buy enough boxes of a faction to have a decent sized 40K army, all to get a dozen or so specific models that preformed well. This way, you can pretty much buy a box (or two) of the right troops and you have a viable kill team. brings the cost barrier to entry right down, which is always a plus.

That, and the extreme difficulty involved in balancing 20 odd factions which could cherrypick and created all sorts of weird skew lists (the example given was a tau list of 19 drones). by forcing things into the "fire teams" system, yes, they do remove flexibility form the player, but by doing they have a lot better control to try and balance the game because the players cant do something the designers didnt anticipate and blow balance out the water.

The fire team restrictions do make it easier to alternate between regular 40K & Kill Team in campaigns involving both game formats.

I continue to think that their pricing and compendium approach make it less friendly for veteran players who might—MIGHT—have bought a, say, $50 core book that let them upgrade to the new edition.

However, the limited list builds and pre-set boxes of opposing forces could potentially make a competitive format that I always wondered about.

That is, imagine an Octarius tournament at a venue. Players bring the contents of their box game and face off against other players who also brought their own identical box. No worrying about whether your list is optimized, did the other guy bring the latest points efficient unit, varying terrain choices that favor his army over yours. Just a clean evenly matched event because everyone brought the same terrain and two identical/nearly identical forces.

Play mission 1 against Joe. After that game, trade sides(of course use your models for the orks since Joe doesn’t want you touching his stuff) and replay the mission.