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Well there are only so many Street Level villains you can do before they start all being the same. I dont mind the changes though, nor them doing rules for the Bats Characters in the Justice League game.
   
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 drazz wrote:

Plenty of games are published with a single rules-writer. but they get playtesting done and ensure new rules fit their game.

KM seems behind in this ability.


I know that WM/Hordes is/was playtested, but 40K didn't have playtesting until 8th edition and there a vital minority that it didn't help those rules. Also, just because something is playtested doesn't mean the playtesting is good. Look to D&D 3rd edition which had lots of playtesting yet had huge problems when released into to wild. Haste I'm looking at you.

One dude doing the rules for a small company with a small market is unlikely to have a lot of playtesting. Most of the games coming out of KS certainly have never seen a proper playtest. Most games don't.
   
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Mostly, on my phone.

Books printed and received by Knight. Back on track, allegedly.

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Black Friday order arrived today. Happy with most of it (Red Son Superman looks really nice) but unfortunately my Resin Deathstroke is missing the back of his head / cloth blowing in the wind and my Flashpoint Batman is missing his entire body (pack just contained a sprue with his arms and left leg along with a base). Hopefully Customer Service can resolve the issue for me especially with Flashpoint Batman as he was the main reason I ordered.

Looking forward to getting my earlier order with new rule books and Justice League Dark now that the books have arrived!
   
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Mostly, on my phone.

Bruno (community manager) told me book orders shipping tomorrow so here's hoping.

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 inmygravenimage wrote:
Bruno (community manager) told me book orders shipping tomorrow so here's hoping.


It would be better if Knight announced this stuff themselves, instead of keeping retailers and customers in the dark. Literally much better community relations.

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Mostly, on my phone.

I don't disagree but they did announce this, with an apology of sorts, on the FB. I'm not trying to defend them though, they are horribly disorganised.

Yellowbeard: "Shop 'smart', shop Graven-mart!"
Casey's Law: "Graven: Speaking the truth and providing the rofls since '09."
Solar_Lion: "Deep in the bowels of a forge world lies a machine so terrible and purposeful that its very existence is only rumor and myth. It never sleeps and always hungers. Never satiated. Always creating, always churning out more and more. Never satisfied. It’s purpose long forgotten. It only lives to build more and more of the truly insane. The Deus ex Gravenator. Your only hope is to die in your sleep so save the last bullet for you!"
cormadepanda: "You suffer from creator syndrome."
Theophony"... and there's strippers in terminator armor and lovecraftian shenanigans afoot." Solar_Lion: "Man this sums up your blog nicely."
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On the Facebook that’s run by a non-Knight employee who likes to ban people who don’t 100% back Knight at all times, even in other groups? (and whose alternate accounts have been awarded prizes by the Facebook group he runs)

 
   
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Mostly, on my phone.

That may be true ... But I meant KM Facebook rather than ACL.

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Yellowbeard: "Shop 'smart', shop Graven-mart!"
Casey's Law: "Graven: Speaking the truth and providing the rofls since '09."
Solar_Lion: "Deep in the bowels of a forge world lies a machine so terrible and purposeful that its very existence is only rumor and myth. It never sleeps and always hungers. Never satiated. Always creating, always churning out more and more. Never satisfied. It’s purpose long forgotten. It only lives to build more and more of the truly insane. The Deus ex Gravenator. Your only hope is to die in your sleep so save the last bullet for you!"
cormadepanda: "You suffer from creator syndrome."
Theophony"... and there's strippers in terminator armor and lovecraftian shenanigans afoot." Solar_Lion: "Man this sums up your blog nicely."
Anpu-adom: "being Geek is about Love. Some love broadly. Some love deeply. And then there are people like Graven. :-)
 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
On the Facebook that’s run by a non-Knight employee who likes to ban people who don’t 100% back Knight at all times, even in other groups? (and whose alternate accounts have been awarded prizes by the Facebook group he runs)


Yikes!

Is there actual proof of that?

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 Alpharius wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
On the Facebook that’s run by a non-Knight employee who likes to ban people who don’t 100% back Knight at all times, even in other groups? (and whose alternate accounts have been awarded prizes by the Facebook group he runs)


Yikes!

Is there actual proof of that?


Yes, though its a bit muddled.

Its very clear the ACL founder has used fake names to enter other Facebook groups. It certainly appears as though bans on ACL are connected to comments in non-ACL forums.

It seems the ACL founder, under a fake name, won a contest draw that the ACL founder ran.

KM has been informed numerous times about the public concerns over the ACL admin. Yet, there he is.
   
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 drazz wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
On the Facebook that’s run by a non-Knight employee who likes to ban people who don’t 100% back Knight at all times, even in other groups? (and whose alternate accounts have been awarded prizes by the Facebook group he runs)


Yikes!

Is there actual proof of that?


Yes, though its a bit muddled.

Its very clear the ACL founder has used fake names to enter other Facebook groups. It certainly appears as though bans on ACL are connected to comments in non-ACL forums.

It seems the ACL founder, under a fake name, won a contest draw that the ACL founder ran.

KM has been informed numerous times about the public concerns over the ACL admin. Yet, there he is.


Huh!

I don't know names, but for sake of clarity:

ACL Founder "JOE" ran a contest.

ACL Founder "JOE" entered his own contest as "EOJ".

"EOJ" is declared the winner by ACL Founder "JOE".

Is that more or less what happened?

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Yes.

With evidence. As is "EOJ" has use "JOE's" business accounts to pay for things.
   
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My Rule Book order shipped today so hopefully here before Xmas.
   
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So Knight is going fully GW CnD happy now. Knight straight copied a card tray a third party maker (Red Beam Designs) put out awhile ago, and when RBD commented on it on Knight’s Facebook post advertising their new release, Knight told them they are required to remove all products related to BMG from their site and they are not legally allowed to sell products compatible with it because that infringes on their copyright. I’ll get some screen shots here in a bit.


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Oh look, another company that doesn't have a clue about Copyright/IP/Trademark. I wish I could see the look on their faces when Warner tells them there is no infringement.

Edit:
Lol. I actually misread. Looks like Knight is the one that might be doing the infringing here...

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That is impressively dumb, trying to stop someone making dice/card/token holders because they are compatible with your licensed game. Red Beam's design is not Batman/DC-themed in any way, and could probably find a use in all sorts of systems that use cards and tokens to track things.


For the sake of completeness, this months other releases are:

New Killer Croc with optional croc-head and tail
JL Flash
Comic Steppenwolf and Parademons starter
New Gordon and SWAT starter
Trinity, Amazons, Darkseid and BvS Batman redone in resin

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Ah. I'd thought it was a literal copy of the RBM one, but it doesn't appear to be. It's very similar, but of course it would be - it's designed to hold the same cards, dice and tokens, after all.

I suppose you could argue the layout is copied - dice along the bottom, tokens up the side.
   
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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Ah. I'd thought it was a literal copy of the RBM one, but it doesn't appear to be. It's very similar, but of course it would be - it's designed to hold the same cards, dice and tokens, after all.

I suppose you could argue the layout is copied - dice along the bottom, tokens up the side.


If you are saying the design is a copy, then its KM that has copied Red Beam. KM is introducing their card holder today, Red Beam has had theirs out at least a month or two. They designed it very quickly after the second edition cards became known.

   
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That's what I'm saying. Although it's clearly not an exact copy, as details are different (the KM one holds one more die, for a start). The question as to whether the similar layout of compartments is enough to be a copy is for lawyers to sort out. Which I doubt is going to happen, I suppose. I can see some merit in the argument that the form is following function.

None of which excuses KM's rather pathetic outburst following the RBM item being mentioned. That is what annoys me.

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Mostly, on my phone.

It's a very poor show. Reminds me of Gw/chapterhouse.

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
That's what I'm saying. Although it's clearly not an exact copy, as details are different (the KM one holds one more die, for a start). The question as to whether the similar layout of compartments is enough to be a copy is for lawyers to sort out. Which I doubt is going to happen, I suppose. I can see some merit in the argument that the form is following function.

None of which excuses KM's rather pathetic outburst following the RBM item being mentioned. That is what annoys me.


Yeah, that extra dice slot is for a new counter resource that didn’t exist yet when RBD made their tray.

 
   
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Wow, saw the facebook post blow up early today... knight models was way our of line. They copied a design that RBD has been selling since at least September. RBD makes items usable with bmg, but no official logos, km logos, etc were used. WB will laugh at KM as RBD has nothing dc related on their site. They are making products usable with different games... the chapter house lawsuit, aftermarket auto industey, etc had set precidence in court about this.

If RBD make a batman logo token that was an exact copy of dc comics logo and labeled it as such, well then they'd have issues.

I personally like RBDs stuff as it's far cheaper than km's acrylics, easier to read, and their idea of making acrylic items that fit on the tray is genious.

Who wants to bet KM copies RBD in making rectangle acrylic pieces with words like "ammo" on it, as their tray just so happens to have the same item slot above the wound slot.

Sorry km, I love your products but you stole that idea. Moving a card oval, adding a dice spot, and adding a logo doesn't differentiate it enough.

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 Paradigm wrote:
That is impressively dumb, trying to stop someone making dice/card/token holders because they are compatible with your licensed game. Red Beam's design is not Batman/DC-themed in any way, and could probably find a use in all sorts of systems that use cards and tokens to track things.


For the sake of completeness, this months other releases are:

New Killer Croc with optional croc-head and tail
JL Flash
Comic Steppenwolf and Parademons starter
New Gordon and SWAT starter
Trinity, Amazons, Darkseid and BvS Batman redone in resin


Any pics of any of those yet, or is that just a preview list?

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Pics and stat cards are up on the official site.

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The Trinity, Amazons, Darkseid and BvS Batman are the same as the metal versions.
   
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The models are cool. I’m annoyed they’re continueing the trend of making the new versions slightly better than the old versions. Just a slow steady power creep that’s invalidating all my old models unless I use them as proxies for the new.

 
   
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Mostly, on my phone.

Not all the new stuff has power creep. The new two face goons are rubbish

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 AduroT wrote:
The models are cool. I’m annoyed they’re continueing the trend of making the new versions slightly better than the old versions. Just a slow steady power creep that’s invalidating all my old models unless I use them as proxies for the new.


I'm just annoyed they keep making new versions of things. Some of them certainly make sense, but on the whole I've lost any sense they're designing a game and more just making sure the toys they make have some rules for you to play with.
   
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still waiting on the stuff i ordered a month ago (two face, magic book, batgirl, etc..) Still showing preorder awaiting fulfillment, it hasn't even shipped yet.
   
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I like a lot of what Knight puts out but I have to wonder if their stupidness over the licenses are them annoyed that Monolith will be more or less selling miniatures for this game at a fraction of the price.
   
 
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