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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
However the Darth Maul we got was the EP1. Probe droids and all. And during the clone wars he never faught for the CIS.
Mismatched eras are possible
But he was a pretty important factor during the Clone Wars. One of the last battles of the Clone Wars - the Siege of Mandalore - can almost be placed on his shoulders.

As for the probe droids, they make for neat models, and add something to his character beyond angry red guy with a double sabre.

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I still want to see Mudtroopers from Solo, or Imperial Army Troopers. Imperial Probe droids (Empire Strikes back style) would be nice too. I do agree that the Galactic Civil War doesn't have a ton of on film options for Rebels. Maybe some kind of Mon Calamari Technician or Bothan Spy/Saboteur unit? They were both groups that were instrumental the the Rebellion's success, but didn't have a lot of screen time.

I also thinking a unit of "Scum Mercenaries" comprised of Rodians, Quarren, Humans, Weeqay, a variety of aliens, etc. that can be used by any faction would be pretty cool. Have some sort of "Underhanded" ability.

Generally I think the unit selection has been pretty good though. I'm wondering what AMG will do with things. I know they mentioned other games in SW being made. I would love to see an actual Skirmish game that uses Legion minis and gets some new releases that can work between games.

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I've said it before, but I want them to do the Galactic Marines. They're just cool looking Clone Troopers that we only got a glimpse of in Revenge of the Sith (they killed poor Ki-Adi Mundi).

Sort of an alternate elite unit to the ARC Troopers. That said, I'd expect them to do Clone Commandos first.


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I've said it before, but I want them to do the Galactic Marines. They're just cool looking Clone Troopers that we only got a glimpse of in Revenge of the Sith (they killed poor Ki-Adi Mundi).

Sort of an alternate elite unit to the ARC Troopers. That said, I'd expect them to do Clone Commandos first.



I've always thought they looked pretty cool. Kind of proto-Snow Troopers, whom are my favorite Imperial trooper other than Death Troopers.


 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've said it before, but I want them to do the Galactic Marines. They're just cool looking Clone Troopers that we only got a glimpse of in Revenge of the Sith (they killed poor Ki-Adi Mundi).

Sort of an alternate elite unit to the ARC Troopers. That said, I'd expect them to do Clone Commandos first.


Well they are on screen, Ergo canon, so we will for sure see them.
I can see them being either the 3rd troop, or Death Trooper equivilent.
Now what i want but i dont think we will get, Scuba Troopers.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've said it before, but I want them to do the Galactic Marines. They're just cool looking Clone Troopers that we only got a glimpse of in Revenge of the Sith (they killed poor Ki-Adi Mundi).

Sort of an alternate elite unit to the ARC Troopers. That said, I'd expect them to do Clone Commandos first.



Just paint snow troopers red. The “galactic marines” were just a few seconds of fan service in the film, and If not for the different colour, they would look identical to lovely troopers from Empire.
   
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Something we'd never seen nor heard about was included for "fan service"?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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Yeah, I think all of that was meant to show variety of troopers that existed.
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To make the back to back execution of the Jedi be more visually interesting

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Something we'd never seen nor heard about was included for "fan service"?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


It wouldn’t be you, if you haven’t replied with a snarky comment, I get it, but common man, you know what I meant, Don’t play dumb. I just had an idea how you could get what you thrive for. I guess, you don’t like any gak flying SW way. And A design with a new colour is not a completely new design. Revenge of the sith had all the helmets from the original trilogy on the heads of the clones. Member scout troopers? Kashyyk. Member snow troopers? Here they are executing order 66. Of course they have a new name, but they even had a green planet for those new scout troopers and had snow for those “not snow troopers”. You’ll still recognise Ford Mustang, if it was painted green and called Fustang, right? It’s just brand recognition and what fans want to see.

And painting snow troopers red will effectively give you what you want. AFAIK snow troopers are available to purchase.

Unless you meant rules specific to those “new” troopers, then yeah, you’ll have to wait for the official release.

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I've never liked the "red snow troopers" look for galactic marines, it's a common thing lots of Legion players were doing when snow troopers came out and I think it looks wrong - the blasters are wrong, for one thing. I think it's reasonable to want them and also think it's quite likely we'll get them at some point.


I got what you meant by them maybe being fan service-y though, in that they were a bit of a callback to Empire Strikes Back.

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I've never liked the "red snow troopers" look for galactic marines, it's a common thing lots of Legion players were doing when snow troopers came out and I think it looks wrong - the blasters are wrong, for one thing.


Except in the EU, they kept the Marines and they used E-11s.

The most wrong about it is they dont have the correct arm armor, not stopping me from doing them as Marines.
   
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It was clear from the context, but I'm talking about the suggestion that people who want galactic marines for the clone wars can just paint snowtroopers red. They didn't have E-11s in the clone wars, they had DC-15s.

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I didnt get that, but if thats what you meant, fair do.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

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Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.

Droids really did suffer from being in a cartoon and their "Wackiness" was turned up to eleven.
I remember Battle Droids being scary in ep1, they fell flat and and more later..


Same thing has happened to Stormtroopers unfortunately. And rather than just accept that the baddies have to be jobbers sometimes in a kids cartoon, the noodlebrains in charge of Disneycanon chose to assert that the Empire phased out basically all its military forces except Stormtroopers and the Navy and Stormtroopers took on the "dregs and conscripts" recruitment policy of the old Army Infantry, and now we get to enjoy whole scenes in live action shows taking the piss out of them for having garbage aim.

I sure can't wait to see Taika Waititi's film...


EDIT: The Phase 2 cold assault/hostile environment armour actually has quite a few differences from the later Stormtrooper version.

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Anyone hear word that the US release for specialists is delayed....again?

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Yep, till either the 19th or 26th depending upon who you ask. Bizarre that I got mine a month ago and the US (plus other places?) is still waiting.

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It was only delayed for Americans until Feb 19ty last I heard

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 Yodhrin wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
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 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.

Droids really did suffer from being in a cartoon and their "Wackiness" was turned up to eleven.
I remember Battle Droids being scary in ep1, they fell flat and and more later..


Same thing has happened to Stormtroopers unfortunately. And rather than just accept that the baddies have to be jobbers sometimes in a kids cartoon, the noodlebrains in charge of Disneycanon chose to assert that the Empire phased out basically all its military forces except Stormtroopers and the Navy and Stormtroopers took on the "dregs and conscripts" recruitment policy of the old Army Infantry, and now we get to enjoy whole scenes in live action shows taking the piss out of them for having garbage aim.

I sure can't wait to see Taika Waititi's film...


EDIT: The Phase 2 cold assault/hostile environment armour actually has quite a few differences from the later Stormtrooper version.


The level of resource expenditure necessary to keep up the appearance of an unstoppable empire of unfathomable peerless might and perfect, ordered discipline essentially means that most historical military forces that tried to model themselves as that ended up being paper tigers that could, essentially, be defeated by enemies expending minute fractions of the amount of resources it took to keep up the ideological front.

if the historical inspiration for the empire was (obviously) germany in WW2 and at least one historical inspiration for the rebellion was the vietcong, stormtroopers being basically totally inept makes perfect sense. All these big hyperexpansionist empires basically burn through their real scary elite troops in a matter of a couple years, generally the early part of the military campaign when they garner the reputation for being unstoppable, and then they end up settling for anyone they can conscript to do what amounts to larping as the previous scary elite troopers while the bulk of the resources of said empire goes towards the creation of impressive looking but increasingly impractical propaganda weaponry.

By the New Hope, the empire we're seeing has reached the equivalent point of the V-2 rocket program and the King Tiger tanks in WW2. If anything, the fact that the stormtroopers in the OT all appear to be adult men of standard military age and the fact that the planet destroying laser weapon actually functions accurately is the most unrealistic element - but I suppose it wouldn't have been nearly as exciting to watch Han and Luke fighting old men and 15 year olds or to see the Rebellion slowly cause the empire to run out of resources by flying one single one-man space fighter at the Death Star and making it fire off the horribly inaccurate death laser that costs one quadrillion spacebucks per shot.

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Leaked upcoming releases I saw on Facebook:

   
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Thoughts as to what the "Infantry Support Unit" might be?

I'm thinking Bad Batch/ Commandos. There's 3 Republic and 4 CIS otherwise.
   
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Well all the republic stuff is released on july so it must be.
Infantry Support migt be their turret? with the Dwarf Spider taking up the role for Cis

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Yeah I think it’s defo Republic, not sure what they are though. Commandos make sense opposite Magna Guard but I dunno why they wouldn’t just call them that (ditto Bad Batch).
   
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It might be meant to be a 'surprise' announcement?
   
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Most speculation is that it will be this;
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Infantry_Support_Platform

Though why it would be missing the "Platform" bit of the title is anyones guess.


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Oh, and I am excited to get Dwarf Spiders! Got a unit printed out already and am looking forward to finally getting them painted.

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Oh damn, I was just saying to my wife recently I wish Legion had Persuaders and Dwarf Spiders, and here they are! She’ll be excited about Yoda and the Wookies too.

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So i was thinking, The Wookies might be a plastic rerelease of the Rebel ones in a duel box.
And the Gnasp might also be for rebels. Possibly Yoda for rebels, but i cant see that really happening.
Looks like GAR is might get a lot of cross over.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

the_scotsman wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.

Droids really did suffer from being in a cartoon and their "Wackiness" was turned up to eleven.
I remember Battle Droids being scary in ep1, they fell flat and and more later..


Same thing has happened to Stormtroopers unfortunately. And rather than just accept that the baddies have to be jobbers sometimes in a kids cartoon, the noodlebrains in charge of Disneycanon chose to assert that the Empire phased out basically all its military forces except Stormtroopers and the Navy and Stormtroopers took on the "dregs and conscripts" recruitment policy of the old Army Infantry, and now we get to enjoy whole scenes in live action shows taking the piss out of them for having garbage aim.

I sure can't wait to see Taika Waititi's film...


EDIT: The Phase 2 cold assault/hostile environment armour actually has quite a few differences from the later Stormtrooper version.


The level of resource expenditure necessary to keep up the appearance of an unstoppable empire of unfathomable peerless might and perfect, ordered discipline essentially means that most historical military forces that tried to model themselves as that ended up being paper tigers that could, essentially, be defeated by enemies expending minute fractions of the amount of resources it took to keep up the ideological front.

if the historical inspiration for the empire was (obviously) germany in WW2 and at least one historical inspiration for the rebellion was the vietcong, stormtroopers being basically totally inept makes perfect sense. All these big hyperexpansionist empires basically burn through their real scary elite troops in a matter of a couple years, generally the early part of the military campaign when they garner the reputation for being unstoppable, and then they end up settling for anyone they can conscript to do what amounts to larping as the previous scary elite troopers while the bulk of the resources of said empire goes towards the creation of impressive looking but increasingly impractical propaganda weaponry.

By the New Hope, the empire we're seeing has reached the equivalent point of the V-2 rocket program and the King Tiger tanks in WW2. If anything, the fact that the stormtroopers in the OT all appear to be adult men of standard military age and the fact that the planet destroying laser weapon actually functions accurately is the most unrealistic element - but I suppose it wouldn't have been nearly as exciting to watch Han and Luke fighting old men and 15 year olds or to see the Rebellion slowly cause the empire to run out of resources by flying one single one-man space fighter at the Death Star and making it fire off the horribly inaccurate death laser that costs one quadrillion spacebucks per shot.


While the inspirations behind the GCW factions might have firm roots in WW2 and Vietnam, you can't just map them directly on to that conflict. There's no reason that the Empire should have "depleted" it's Stormtrooper Corps as elite forces in the period prior to the original trilogy, since there was no all-encompassing conflict with an equivalent foe during that period; pre-ANH is not "early war WW2". After the Clone Wars, the Empire "used up" large numbers of the remaining clone troopers as the first generation of Stormtroopers breaking the back of Separatist holdhouts and capturing territory in the outer rim, while also replacing the clones with freshly trained, highly indoctrinated non-clones. Most of the conflicts in the period between the Clone Wars and the GCW were either brushfire conflicts with minimal resource investment(occupation of Ryloth for example), or invasions to conquer new territory from opponents who were usually hopelessly outmatched by the Empire's vast warmachine. In fact, the pre-ANH Empire was the perfect breeding ground for maintaining a corps of elite shock troops, since there was plenty of fighting going on to give them actual practical combat experience, but none of it was ever in danger of depleting Imperial forces faster than they could recruit and train replacements. It was only when the Rebellion coalesced into a single cohesive entity and began organised and coordinated resistance on a galactic scale that the Empire began to endure serious losses, heck Solo even shows us that while they did exist in nuCanon it was the Army Infantry who got thrown into the meatgrinder where that was required, with the STs held in reserve(in a rational world, to be used as the shocktroops they were supposed to be) and acting as enforcers to keep the conscripts in line. I could see the argument for low-quality Stormtroopers in a post-GCW era Imperial Remnant - indeed I'm sure I can recall reading in the EU about one Remnant just issuing all their conscripted Army units with ST armour, both because they had more materiel than they did men, and to make themselves look stronger than they actually were - but not during the GCW era based on the established facts of the setting outside of nuCanon fiat.

But in the end, that's the main point - nuCanon doesn't make any of the arguments you're making, it simply asserts that the Empire chose, willingly and willfully, to phase out the Army Infantry and only have Stormtroopers, and in the context of a space fantasy where the baddies are supposed to be intimidating enemies that your heroes must overcome, having the cool scary looking armoured dudes be bumbling conscripts is just dumb; by robbing the Empire of menace, they take away a lot of the meaning of the Rebellion's victory - huzzah, we effortlessly carved our way through hundreds of poor saps taken from their homes and told if they didn't fight us their families would suffer and they'd be executed, we're such heroes!


As for the slightly mysterious release - my money would be on the ISP as well, it seems like the most likely fit given it's coming opposite the Persuader and it could provide a slightly more interesting "mirror" than usual, since the ISP is fast and maneuverable, while the Persuader's big weakness is that it's easy to flank - seppies get more firepower and less maneuverability, republic something nippier that can exploit that but less punch.

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ISP would make some sense, it seems this release is kinda based on Ep3 and the wookie battle, atleast for the GAR and the swamp speeder was a big part of that.

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