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halonachos wrote:Ulfric is an idiot, he goes and kills the high-king and then says that its okay because he did it according to Nord tradition, but when you take that axe from the Jarl of Whiterun he goes against Nord tradition by invading instead of facing him one-on-one.
It doesn't seem like the Imperials are forcing culture changes in Skyrim and its more like they're okay with what they do so much as they pay taxes.
Ulfric OFFERED alliegance, or war. How do you expect him to walk into Whiterun when it was blatantly clear what his intentions would be after what he did to the "High King" that was little more than an imperial puppet?
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Karon wrote:I'm still unsure on Ulfric.
He did deny resources and help to people, but its in a full on civil war. I probably wouldn't help anyone except those that were most likely to fight for me too.
I think that the Dovahkiin could influence Ulfric to a large degree, so I'm sticking with him.
I just don't like the Legion having their hands in everything, when Skyrim is clearly stronger on their own. The Legion showed how easily influenced it was in the Great War, and the final acceptance of the White-Gold Concordant.
They bowed to the Aldmeri, and I'm thinking Skyrim needs to develop relationships with Hammerfell and the Orsinium.
Had Ulfric aided the non Nord settlements within eastmarch Hold, they probably would have joined him.
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Spoiler:
the Thalmor lost the great war. I'm still not sure why the While Gold Concordant happened, but the Empire won the great war. They( the Aldmeri Dominion) have Ulfric listed as a Dormant asset because losing the civil war will weaken the Empire. If Banning Talos worship happened when the Empire won, I would hate to see what happens during round two after the Stormcloaks win the Civil War.
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Indeed, I read this earlier and just finished the quests where I found those dossiers on Ulfric and such in the Thalmor Embassy. The Empire signed the WGC because they wanted to end the war on a good note, and not just proclaim "We won, you lose!", so they made ridiculous concessions that they expected the rest of the provinces to follow. Hammerfell clearly did not agree, and ceceded, and Skyrim has every right to do the same, and it would have if Imperial roots had dug so deep into it at the time of the treaty.
If you remember, the Thalmor dossier also notes that a direct victory by Ulfric should be avoided at all costs, and is the worst possible thing that could happen. They want him to stay dormant and just keep being a distraction so if the Thalmor attacked, Skyrim soldiers couldn't assist lest the Stormcloaks take control.
I agree about the nightingale armor, love the cloak and stuff. I also found a bug (I think) where I'm able to wear my ancient shrouded hood, which doesn't show up when I wear it but I still get the archery bonus, and then I can wear the nightingale hood and get that bonus too.
One thing that bugs me is the thief and db boots that muffle your footsteps. That's great and all, but I have the Silence perk since I maxed Sneak, so I don't need that on my boots too. Yet all the roguey sets have that on the boots. I'm guessing silence + boots doesn't make me even quieter, so one of em is a waste.
Right now I'm using Childrend, Mace of Molag Bal and Nightingale bow, and a mix of nightingale and ancient shrouded armor, all flawless for now. I was thinking about making some smithing enchanted cloths and drinking up a potion then reupgrading again to try and get it all legendary
halonachos wrote:Ulfric is an idiot, he goes and kills the high-king and then says that its okay because he did it according to Nord tradition, but when you take that axe from the Jarl of Whiterun he goes against Nord tradition by invading instead of facing him one-on-one.
It doesn't seem like the Imperials are forcing culture changes in Skyrim and its more like they're okay with what they do so much as they pay taxes.
Ulfric OFFERED alliegance, or war. How do you expect him to walk into Whiterun when it was blatantly clear what his intentions would be after what he did to the "High King" that was little more than an imperial puppet?
In the Imperial quest line you walk directly into Windhelm to deliver the message to Ulfric. After Ulfric threatens Whiterun the Jarl decides that instead of having a war he wants to settle it in the traditional manner with a one-on-one fight. It would be possible for Ulfric to enter Whiterun because there was no Imperial garrison in Whiterun and the town guards follow the orders of the Jarl so the Jarl could tell them to stand down or he could meet Ulfric in a neutral area, there are ways that it could be done.
Ulfric offered it, but when confronted with the traditional method of dealing with the issue he shirked away from it like a coward. Ulfric murdered the High-king and guised it as a cultural method of solving such issues and then decided not to follow his own culture by denying a challenge from the Jarl. At least the Legion doesn't murder kings and then say "That's how our people do it." and don't follow tradition when confronted in the same manner.
I guess, being an Altmer, I should side with the Imperials, but there's just something about having the Elves on one side of the Imperials, and Ulfric, advised by an Altmer dragonborn on the other, that makes me think it might help the keep the Imperials far more in check than the Elves could do alone. It also leaves the Imperials with one less landmass upon which they can plot to overthrow us.
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halonachos wrote:Ulfric is an idiot, he goes and kills the high-king and then says that its okay because he did it according to Nord tradition, but when you take that axe from the Jarl of Whiterun he goes against Nord tradition by invading instead of facing him one-on-one.
It doesn't seem like the Imperials are forcing culture changes in Skyrim and its more like they're okay with what they do so much as they pay taxes.
Ulfric OFFERED alliegance, or war. How do you expect him to walk into Whiterun when it was blatantly clear what his intentions would be after what he did to the "High King" that was little more than an imperial puppet?
In the Imperial quest line you walk directly into Windhelm to deliver the message to Ulfric. After Ulfric threatens Whiterun the Jarl decides that instead of having a war he wants to settle it in the traditional manner with a one-on-one fight. It would be possible for Ulfric to enter Whiterun because there was no Imperial garrison in Whiterun and the town guards follow the orders of the Jarl so the Jarl could tell them to stand down or he could meet Ulfric in a neutral area, there are ways that it could be done.
Ulfric offered it, but when confronted with the traditional method of dealing with the issue he shirked away from it like a coward. Ulfric murdered the High-king and guised it as a cultural method of solving such issues and then decided not to follow his own culture by denying a challenge from the Jarl. At least the Legion doesn't murder kings and then say "That's how our people do it." and don't follow tradition when confronted in the same manner.
See, that's strange, because in the Stormcloak questline, you deliver the axe, bring it back to Ulfric as it was declined, and then you assault Whiterun..there is no response from Balgruuf or whatever is name is aside from that.
I think it will depend on which questline Bethesda decides is canon, but you are wrong on one thing.
Ulfric challenged the High King to their ritual combat, and he had to accept. The High King was simply a puppet prince of the Legion, so he was easily defeated by the Voice and a sword through the chest. He didn't murder him in any sense of the word, that's just how the Legion wants it to look like.
As well, I don't really think I can side with the Legion after they told me I was a criminal scum a thousand times in Oblivion....
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I think I read that 50 is a soft cap, and you can keep leveling it's just that XP goes really, really slow after 50.. the real cap is 70 or 80 or something?
Im a staunch Imperial in real life, so I sided with the Empire, proudly swearing fealty to the emperor.
Unfortunately, after crushing the stormcloaks, I have since started the DB questline, It crushed me to kill his niece at her wedding, but I managed it. Poisoning who I thought was the big E was even harder, and now I have to board his boat and kill him in cold blood?!
If I pull it off i think ill go home and beat my wife to death whilst weeping tears of rage....
I can put my amulet back on and get another wife though right?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
There's a lot in this game that isn't very heroic. In fact, I'm hard pressed to think of much good you do in the world. Even fighting off dragons is more of a sport than a moral imperative.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, Ulfric is no coward or murderer. But he is a racist.
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Honestly, after I sacked Solitude with Ulprick (Not a typo, guy's kind of an ass.), I hoped there was an option to challenge him to Combat and become the next king. I just pretend that after I'm done killing dragons and gak, I stick my axe into that racist pig's fething skull.
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thenoobbomb wrote:Ulfric is the most awsome guy.
He is cooler then Tullius.
Although i can't say i like the legion for trying to kill me at least they have a reason other than 'he's an elf and not like us'
Ulfric on the other hand doesn't have much more of a reason...
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thenoobbomb wrote:Ulfric is the most awsome guy.
He is cooler then Tullius.
Although i can't say i like the legion for trying to kill me at least they have a reason other than 'he's an elf and not like us'
Ulfric on the other hand doesn't have much more of a reason...
Ulfric is in wartime, he is not going to help everyone. His reasoning may be that he will only assist those most likely to assist him (the Nords).
He's not a dumb guy, and you saying that he started this war because he is a racist is only showing your ignorance.
So, I killed the big E, but havent chosen imperials or stormcloaks, should I stick on the path of 'bad' and go stormcloaks, cause I dont think I can take the oath to honor the emperor seriously...
thenoobbomb wrote:Ulfric is the most awsome guy.
He is cooler then Tullius.
Although i can't say i like the legion for trying to kill me at least they have a reason other than 'he's an elf and not like us'
Ulfric on the other hand doesn't have much more of a reason...
Ulfric is in wartime, he is not going to help everyone. His reasoning may be that he will only assist those most likely to assist him (the Nords).
He's not a dumb guy, and you saying that he started this war because he is a racist is only showing your ignorance.
I'm not saying he has to help everyone...
It's just that his enemies seem to be 'all of the above' rather than just 'the empire'.
Also there is a difference between not helping and actively beating people down...
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Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:So, I killed the big E, but havent chosen imperials or stormcloaks, should I stick on the path of 'bad' and go stormcloaks, cause I dont think I can take the oath to honor the emperor seriously...
That would cause some complications
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thenoobbomb wrote:Ulfric is the most awsome guy.
He is cooler then Tullius.
Although i can't say i like the legion for trying to kill me at least they have a reason other than 'he's an elf and not like us'
Ulfric on the other hand doesn't have much more of a reason...
Ulfric is in wartime, he is not going to help everyone. His reasoning may be that he will only assist those most likely to assist him (the Nords).
He's not a dumb guy, and you saying that he started this war because he is a racist is only showing your ignorance.
I'm not saying he has to help everyone...
It's just that his enemies seem to be 'all of the above' rather than just 'the empire'.
Also there is a difference between not helping and actively beating people down...
The problem with Skyrim is that the legion directly gave a big "feth you" to Skyrim with the White-Gold Concordant, the place that takes Talos extremely seriously, and then they expect them to deal with it.
Its like if you banned Judaism in Israel...you can bet your ass everyone would be shunning outsiders and starting an uprising.
I don't think you are grasping the part that he is in the middle of a civil war, that he is a major part of. He isn't going to help anyone that isn't helping him.
War is ugly, and Ulfric will use any scapegoat, like foreigners, to fuel the rage of his army. Is it right? No. Do the means justify the ends? I think so.
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I did it three times before I actually landed safely on her shrine.
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I don't believe those people graduated middle school, judging from the number of grammatical errors in that post.
See, I'm hoping it's satire (and judging from a lot of the language used, it most likely is) but I'm pessimistic enough about modern man that I'm legitimately worried it's not.
Though if it is? Man, whoever thought of putting a 'Science' section with Satan's Internet and Lies of Evolution right above Tech Review and Weather was a genius.
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Given that the site is christwire (and sorry if this offends anybody what i say next is purely my own opinion) then its just talking about a pile of crap just like the Bible.
Do note that its not just Christianity that I hate, I hate all forms of religion equally. They just don't make sense imo. At least science is trying to prove something instead of going "this is what happened but we arnt going to show you how we know that".
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If you are a responsible parent, then the world of MMORPG first person shooters should be something of a foreign language to you. In games like Skyrim, players are teleported to a far way lands that are cream filled with demonic spell crafting, violent shirtless blood shed and exposed not only Satanic critters, but bombarded with gay under tones of fecal fornication.
In the land of Skyrim, the player starts off as a captured terrorist, who has been caught plotting to destroy the golden empire by using dragons. Before the player gets to take control of his avatar, they are asked to create a character, which is purely the liberal’s way of teaching out kids that modifying and gender changing one’s self is fun and normal. Once the player has decided if they want to be a female wood fairy or an black ogre from Stormwind, they get to take control of their hell spawned fictitious demon.
Right off the bat, the gay supporting software company Blizzard, shows the player images of decapitations and after the third of forth head chopping, a necromatic dragon appears and sets the player free from righteous punishment. Now that the player is free, they will spend the next 400 hours robbing people, killing villagers, crafting sexual items, fornicate with elves and other Harry Potter style animals and also learn how to conjure up black magic.
Throughout the game, the played is exposed to full frontal violence and replay style death killing finish moves. The graphics of this game are way too realistic for the type of blood shed they ejaculate all over the player’s CPU monitor.
The spells the player are taught are directly out of The Book of Wiccan and are far more dangerous than anything your child is watching on that Wizards at Waverly Place and Sabrina The Teenage Witch. When a player casts a spell, you will see the hand gesture is that of how homosexuals fling devil DNA juices at each other after a long night of fecal frenzy ass assassinations. This is subliminally teaching your children that they need to go in their rooms, demon whack their sin staff and produce sin milk into their hands and than fling it in the face of the first person they come in contact with after their taint tugging session.
Once they player has finish killing all the people in Skyrim, his final battle is to have a mass dragon orgy with his feel homosexual warriors he meets on his way and all take turns impregnating the dragon with homosexual dragon eggs. Once the dragon has been backdoor feasted, the player must kill it. The dragon needs to be killed, so the spirit of death and gayness can enter the new eggs and reek havoc onto the rest of the world. This new destruction will be playable in the next Skyrim saga.
It goes on for a bit but it's still fething slowed...
PS. opening that link reposted it on my facebook wall, the things I do for you guys...
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I too posted that on Facebook. I just want to know.......HONESTLY......was that a troll and I missed it? Because holy fething gak! I think the guy must of just.....read the dust cover? Because I could tell many times over, that he was WAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy off on alot of that. I mean.....just....what?
...Wow. I have seen the light ! Skyrim is all about homosexuals and jacking off producing sin juice ! How did I not see that casting spells is obviously subliminal messages...
Jesus Christ on a flaming jetski, I didnt think people could stoop to such levels of stupidity.
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