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Seems like we are a long way behind again;







My goodness does Yoda look broken, same points as Dooku or Palp and a ton better.

I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.

Yay, news? Now to see how the associated models look.

 Geifer wrote:
Yay, news? Now to see how the associated models look.

Oh, cool. Thanks!

No worries. I wasn’t sure on the Wookiees in bare plastic but I think they look a lot better painted.

Whereas I'm so used to seeing unpainted Wookiees that the sight of painted ones is... odd.

Those Wookies look like they would take Contrast and drybrushing well.

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.

Please expand on this line of thinking. I refused to start Legion until the clone wars era released as I thought playing Empire vs Rebels would be incredibly boring after a few games, and Clone Wars meant more lightsabers (which is one of my favorite parts of Star Wars). There are now four distinct armies instead of two. If you are complaining about CW era stuff getting all of the releases, then please release it had to be that way in order to catch those two factions up to the originals.

 mokoshkana wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.

Please expand on this line of thinking. I refused to start Legion until the clone wars era released as I thought playing Empire vs Rebels would be incredibly boring after a few games, and Clone Wars meant more lightsabers (which is one of my favorite parts of Star Wars). There are now four distinct armies instead of two. If you are complaining about CW era stuff getting all of the releases, then please release it had to be that way in order to catch those two factions up to the originals.

I think the complaint is that the Clone Wars armies are better than the Civil War era armies. I’m not sure how true that is, but the vibe I’ve got in the past is that the Galactic Republic in particular was a fair amount stronger than the Rebs/Empire.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.

Please expand on this line of thinking. I refused to start Legion until the clone wars era released as I thought playing Empire vs Rebels would be incredibly boring after a few games, and Clone Wars meant more lightsabers (which is one of my favorite parts of Star Wars). There are now four distinct armies instead of two. If you are complaining about CW era stuff getting all of the releases, then please release it had to be that way in order to catch those two factions up to the originals.

I think the complaint is that the Clone Wars armies are better than the Civil War era armies. I’m not sure how true that is, but the vibe I’ve got in the past is that the Galactic Republic in particular was a fair amount stronger than the Rebs/Empire.

Depends on the when. When Tauntauns came out, they were all the rage and disgustingly good. They got nerfed. Then GAR had the clone ball, which allowed standby token sharing to give them a huge advantage. That got nerfed. Air Speeders were maligned for a long time, and then they got buffed. Now they are pretty tasty.

It is a miniatures war game. There will always be better choices within the game. The balance in Legion is still loads better compared to any game I have ever played.

I don't disagree; its probably more just that in a game full of iconic characters, it stands out more or at the very least, has a greater impact on how I feel about the game.

No complaints about the release schedule. The Rebellion era armies are already pretty well fleshed out and don't really need anything. I'd much rather see what's already out get refined to see more table time.

I've just never felt good about the state of the meta in Legion. Ever since the release of sniper teams, its felt gamey to me; more a game of exploiting mechanics than I'd like. I love the activation system in theory, but in practice it just pushes these homogenous teams to remove the random element of activations and heavily rewarded games of "pass" that a lot of other games I play have spent a lot of time trying to iron out. Jedi are frustrating to play and demand these weird games of intentionally not killing things because they are so easy to shoot to death. The new armies kind of ignoring the suppression mechanics was just the thing that really soured the feel of the game for me.

I don't mean to come off that ranty and down on the game. I really like it, but I want to LOVE it. It's just whenever I take armies of things that are cool and iconic, they constantly disappoint me on the table, and when I focus on more competitive armies, I feel like winning is more about gaming the activation system than interacting with my opponent. I just never leave feeling like the game gave me the experience I was looking for, and that leaves me just kind of perpetually frustrated with it.

From AMG twitter and the release has been pushed back untill the 1st of October.

More time to save up. I hate when they sometimes drop a mountain of new stuff within a two month window, but then go six months with nothing.

This is coming from the lens of someone very bitter at AMG right now, but I still doubt most of the world will get those this year. Seeing as most of Australia hasn't gotten anything since the February releases delivered, and a lot of Europe can't seem to keep anything in stock either, it's probably going to become an even more exclusive club of who can actually get stock and who can't (and the LGS suffers when everyone who actually wants something has to go to Amazon)

It also got announced that the 2nd creator of the game has been unceremoniously fired by AMG as well, and of the FFG rules team exactly 0 people remain. The game is definitely going to be interesting to see after this wave of releases, because it's going to have been designed by a completely new group of people

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.

It always felt like FFG got off on the wrong foot with this game, and were forever chasing the sales numbers management originally expected. The near day-one Operative patch, the tentative Sabine Wren commander pack, and then the quick move to the Prequel era all suggested underlying attempts at ongoing course correction. I can't imagine there was ever a point where the designers felt like it was safe putting out a new box set that wasn't awesome, because they needed those sales, and when the new armies came out, those same rules applied.

https://twitter.com/lukeweddy/status/1421199267457241088?s=21

Hello, friends, fans, and followers. As of this Wednesday I’m no longer with Atomic Mass Games, and am no longer working on Star Wars Legion, X-wing, or Armada. This was, unfortunately, not a decision that I made.

one thing I wonder is if AMG got enough extra revenue to go with all the extra work & responsibility?

It's all very well asmodee saying legion etc has been moved from FFG, but did all the money come with is or did some end in Admodee's pockets

This game is fun. I don't feel like one faction is that much better than another.
I wouldn't ever want someone fired. But the original crew seemed to be squandering opportunity after opportunity. Not just legion but x-wing and armada as well. The Mandolorian has been out over 2 years and nothing yet Still for example. The FFG team seemed to just on the SW IP and do nothing. So im not surprised they have been let go

buckero0 wrote:
This game is fun. I don't feel like one faction is that much better than another.
I wouldn't ever want someone fired. But the original crew seemed to be squandering opportunity after opportunity. Not just legion but x-wing and armada as well. The Mandolorian has been out over 2 years and nothing yet Still for example. The FFG team seemed to just on the SW IP and do nothing. So im not surprised they have been let go

This may have nothing to do with the game designers at all. It may be an issue with which parts of the SW universe/films etc can be used by FFG.
It also takes quite a while for ideas and sculpts made by designers to pass inspection by Disney/Lucasfilm/Whoever as well.

They also announced a Mandalorian expansion for the game early last year, so they're not really sitting on it that much. It's also not a reason to fire someone, more the higher-ups would say "do this" if they wanted it to be done (but again, they did and it's waiting in the wings)

This was all over the Facebook group, also resulted in a split of the admins and them all leaving the page. Yikes.
Rumours are he was fired over a disagreement with the direction he wanted the game to go.

What's the difference between these Legion rookies and the ones from two years ago? Are they a different weapons load out of completely different stats/rules? From the icons, it seems like this is a dual era release whereas the previous ones were rebellion only since that was the only era around at the time.

Edit: Found an AMG video that answers the questions. I didn't realize they had sprue minis. I could have sworn that they were loose parts in baggies before but admittedly that was long ago.

They started releasing plastic models on sprues with the Clone Wars starter box. Separatists got a fair bit right from the start whereas Republic took a little while to get the good stuff, starting with Phase II Clones. Empire and Rebels have since also gotten a few kits like this.

Prior to this move to plastic, most models with the exception of larger vehicles were PVC, and both were, as you say, supplied as loose bits in bags.

Thanks. I like the wookie out and may pick up a box just to make a pair of RPG characters (one scifi, one fantasy... Both wookies).

Yeah, they're cool. It'll be interesting to see them next to my PVC ones. I like this new plastic paradise we live in.

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, they're cool. It'll be interesting to see them next to my PVC ones. I like this new plastic paradise we live in.

This video (which may have been linked already months ago) shows FWIW a conversion using both.

 Rygnan wrote:
This is coming from the lens of someone very bitter at AMG right now, but I still doubt most of the world will get those this year. Seeing as most of Australia hasn't gotten anything since the February releases delivered, and a lot of Europe can't seem to keep anything in stock either, it's probably going to become an even more exclusive club of who can actually get stock and who can't (and the LGS suffers when everyone who actually wants something has to go to Amazon)

It also got announced that the 2nd creator of the game has been unceremoniously fired by AMG as well, and of the FFG rules team exactly 0 people remain. The game is definitely going to be interesting to see after this wave of releases, because it's going to have been designed by a completely new group of people

It's not like the shipping problems are their fault.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Rygnan wrote:
This is coming from the lens of someone very bitter at AMG right now, but I still doubt most of the world will get those this year. Seeing as most of Australia hasn't gotten anything since the February releases delivered, and a lot of Europe can't seem to keep anything in stock either, it's probably going to become an even more exclusive club of who can actually get stock and who can't (and the LGS suffers when everyone who actually wants something has to go to Amazon)

It also got announced that the 2nd creator of the game has been unceremoniously fired by AMG as well, and of the FFG rules team exactly 0 people remain. The game is definitely going to be interesting to see after this wave of releases, because it's going to have been designed by a completely new group of people

It's not like the shipping problems are their fault.

They've existed since 1st edition X-Wing though, Covid is just a very convenient excuse they're using to mask the fact they've never been good at keeping things in stock. They're not entirely at fault, but it is an issue they've had for the better part of a decade and seemingly haven't ever done anything to fix. For a company as huge as Asmodee it's really quite telling I think

I find that quite interesting because we have never had problems getting anything where i am.