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I got to play a few games this past weekend with a combined Sisters-Guard list that was both fun to play and competitive. I’ve always loved Tallarn Guard and looking at their unique Regiment abilities they are a perfect fit for a fast moving Sisters force. Allying with Guard allowed me to use some of the new Warlord traits and Relics that can make a big difference in competitive play.

Without going off-topic, Tallarn can outflank several units (including vehicles), infantry can advance and still shoot all but heavy weapons, and their vehicles can move and shoot heavy weapons at their normal BS. Here is the list I took:

<Outrider Detachment>
Celestine
9 Seraphim, 4 Inferno Pistols
(5): 5 Dominions, 5 Stormbolters, Repressors with Heavy Flamer and 2 Stormbolters

<Battalion Detachment>
Leman Russ Commander (Warlord, Old Grudges trait, Kurov’s Aquila Relic)
Exec Plasma Cannon, 2 Plasma Cannon sponsons, Lascannon, Stormbolter
Company Commander with Bolter (Dagger of Tusakh - allows 2 units to outflank)
(3) DevilDogs (Melta Cannons, Heavy Bolter)
(2) Scout Sentinels with MultiLasers
(2) Scout Sentinels with Lascannons
Special Weapons Squad with 3 plasma guns
(3) Infantry Squads, Grenade Launcher

My strategy was pretty much the same the 2 games I played:
Celestine and the Seraphims launched into the opponents’ backfield while the Doms and the Scout Sentinels (multilasers) engaged the main part of my opponent. The 3 Devildogs, the SWS, 2 Infantry Squads and the Company CO came in from a flank / table edge to take the enemy from the rear, while my Leman Russ and 2 Lascannon Sentinels (with an Infantry Squad escort) moved and fired at their heavies (Old Grudges Warlord trait allows my tank and any units within 6” to reroll wounds against a single unit).
I like the way this force plays, my “Speartip” (Sisters) hit fast with some cover from the Scout Sentinels (which move 9” pregame), the “Dagger” of Melta Hounds, plasma infantry and Infantry Squads come in from flanks and stay out of the line of Fire the first turn, while my “Mace” of plasma-loaded Leman Russ and Lascannon Sentinels hit from distance.
It’s a fast moving hard hitting force, very fun to play. I wonder how it’ll hold up in tournament play.
Anyone else using Guard to bolster our girls until we get our proper Codex?

I have been unable to wade my way back to playing my Sisters for quite a while. Lot of armies and a lot of changes so Im kindof methodically stress testing them one at a time right now.

IG seem a natural fit, ever since the 3rd Edition Witch Hunters codex, for covering their "blank" areas. So I like the idea and always have really.

I tend to play a Pure sisters army but when I do allies, its usually IG

 davidgr33n wrote:
Anyone else using Guard to bolster our girls until we get our proper Codex?

I used Conscripts and MT as Redemptionists and Inquisitorial ST recently and did quite well.

 Jancoran wrote:
I tend to play a Pure sisters army but when I do allies, its usually IG

I prefer to play Pure Sisters as well, but the competitive side of me sees our girls losing steam, so until we get our Codex I’ll be allying Tallarn Guard (my go-to allies for years). To my surprise, I actually found the synergy between the Tallarn and Sisters to mesh well.

I desperately want pure sisters to work but our anti-tank just doesn't have a long enough range and I've not found a solution.

Exorcists are hardly anti-tank weapons, being d3 damage.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I desperately want pure sisters to work but our anti-tank just doesn't have a long enough range and I've not found a solution.

Exorcists are hardly anti-tank weapons, being d3 damage.

I think this is going to be a "hole" for Sisters for a long time, even if/when we get a codex release. The best options at the moment seem to be multi-melta Immolators or Retributors, both of which are quite expensive and get punished for moving around.

It's a lot more straightforward to just pop in an IG detachment and bring some Basilisks/Manticores/Shadowswords to shore up that weakness. So I think that's the solution for now, until the Exorcist gets a much-needed buff.

well it seems likely they should either go D6 damage or 2D6 damage, take the highest for the Exorcist. It SHOULD do severe damage. If a Basilisk can do as much as it does... the Exorcist should be accorded similar power.

oh yes... i'm 0-2 at the moment in the top bracket in my clubs league. Two hammer and anvil deployments, two games of just being kited about the the place and shot up out of range.

First game was Vs codex guard with a 9 drop russ list, 5 of them commanders. move and shoot and double shoot oh my. I actually played the same guy with an index version of more or less the same list and the power boost from the codex made a huge difference to what already felt like a strong list.

Second game vs Codex craftworld/ynnari. -1s and -2s to hit everywhere and soul burst and psychic powers to reduce saves by 1 (Celestine with a 3+/5++). So even if i advance my repressors to get some melta shots off at the things they should be shooting then i'm hitting on 5s or 6s.

Needless to say both of these games have been frustratingly one sided.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I actually have a bunch of immolator sprues (like, 5).

Let me know if you want to move one or more of those along... I could probably use some.


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 davidgr33n wrote:
Anyone else using Guard to bolster our girls until we get our proper Codex?

I've been loving 4x5 Scions with plasma/plasma/plasma pistol and 2x Primes as four of the six Troops in a Brigade for around 400 points (the other two units are cheap backfield objective holder / screening BSS). They're great against bikes of all sorts, multi-wound infantry generally, MEQ/TEQ, and notably Necron Quantum Shielding shenanigans that can totally stymie a melta-heavy alpha strike. I've been tooling up a pure Ministorum force as more of a philosophical exercise, but it'll be hard to see all that plasma volume shift back onto the shelf to test it out.

 pretre wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Hmm, what sort of crew should I have out of the hatches then? I was thinking priesty types, perhaps fantasy models?

Get a box of empire flagellants and kitbash them with Cadians.

One of my favorite all-time kits:

I can see why.

So, sudden thought occurred to me.

Both the IG and Eldar codex lost options that don't have models.
So, assuming we don't get new/plastic figs, how much is going to be left of our options.
Worried about: Evicerator anything (except repentia)
Inferno pistol seraphim and veteran sisters
Stormbolters and combi-bolters for veteran superiors and cannoness
Plasma and pretty much any weapon option for priests

 Mmmpi wrote:
So, sudden thought occurred to me.

Both the IG and Eldar codex lost options that don't have models.
So, assuming we don't get new/plastic figs, how much is going to be left of our options.
Worried about: Evicerator anything (except repentia)
Inferno pistol seraphim and veteran sisters
Stormbolters and combi-bolters for veteran superiors and cannoness
Plasma and pretty much any weapon option for priests

Yep, the same thing happened to an extent after the WH codex. We lost jump packs for characters and a bunch of other options. Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose.

 Mmmpi wrote:
So, sudden thought occurred to me.

Both the IG and Eldar codex lost options that don't have models.
So, assuming we don't get new/plastic figs, how much is going to be left of our options.
Worried about: Evicerator anything (except repentia)
Inferno pistol seraphim and veteran sisters
Stormbolters and combi-bolters for veteran superiors and cannoness
Plasma and pretty much any weapon option for priests

Biggest reason why I have been so happy with our Index. Codex updates don't go so well for Sisters.

Canoness still has an Eviscerator in her kit. Might not help other characters but she should keep the option.
Veteran Sisters? Celestians? Currently no difference rules wise but at this point we wouldn't be losing much.
Inferno pistols would suck to lose, maybe that would entice them to fix the hand flamer?
A stormbolter Sister could be a Superior as well, combi's could easily go, biggest reason why I have moved away from modeling them.

Chapterhouse unintended consequence?

I seriously don't think that we will get a codex until we get a new model like.
I'm also not holding my breath for that either.

Yeah. We may have to make do with the index for a while.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Yeah. We may have to make do with the index for a while.

Same ol' same ol'.

I run a retributor 3 heavy flamers / 1 multimelta repressor of flaming doom in my Guard list as a sort of distraction carnifex. Sucks we can't put arco's, dealt cult, priests in repressors because that's what I really want to do as a one two punch.

If I ally in anything, I bring my shadowsword, since it's big and scary [and more than a little OP] and basically is an army in and of itself, so I don't really have to care for it and it can sit there and do its thing. I've considered Scions, but then I realize that they're basically Dominions +1, so at that point I should just play Guard.

I don't usually have antitank deficiencies. I've been very pleased with my ability to neutralize vehicles. I've generally found my ability to deal with close-quarters medium and heavy infantry more of a problem. I can't kill them efficiently.



All things considered, I don't think a codex will bring anything revolutionary.

Looks like Chapter Approved coming out in December will have a few extras for us. Doesn’t look very exciting but we’ll see when it comes out.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/11/chapter-approved-2017-coming-in.html?m=1

 davidgr33n wrote:
Looks like Chapter Approved coming out in December will have a few extras for us. Doesn’t look very exciting but we’ll see when it comes out.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/11/chapter-approved-2017-coming-in.html?m=1

Assuming its true, I love the martyrdom rule. Could be very fun, imagine taking Dialogus just to claim objectives... Nevermind Geminae getting back up the turn after giving Celestine a freebie AoF in close combat.

Relic looks great if you can take it on a Seraphim superior.

Deny is actually pretty good for a 4+ to deny buffed psyker casting.

I just hope the Eviscerator gets the powerfist treatment.

The whirlwind dropped in points. Maybe Exos will, too.

I wouldn't trust that rumor any further than I can throw it.

 pretre wrote:
I wouldn't trust that rumor any further than I can throw it.

Seems about right, too many good things for the Sisters.

 dracpanzer wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I wouldn't trust that rumor any further than I can throw it.

Seems about right, too many good things for the Sisters.

Those really aren't that good though. I was more talking of the source.

Any update where the Repressor isn't nerfed is a win.

Purity of Faith sounds realistic. Relic seems about right.

I’ll be representing at the Pittsburgh GT this weekend. Anyone else going?

If Purity of Faith is true, it’s a lot to pay 1CP to negate one power when most other factions get to do it multiple times for free

Assuming those rumors are true I'm wondering if you can use spirt of the martyr to heal wounds and keep your character alive.

Can we take the rumor discussion to the rumor thread? These are likely false and it just clutters up our nice tactica thread.

Not much being said in the táctica thread, until something new comes we pretty much have figured out what works and what doesn’t. But respect.