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The reason behind there not being anny female or should i say female looking marine is genetical and lay
in the difference of grothe hormons. As the female horome estrogen dosent promote muscle growth and makes it harder to
even grow muscles as it brakes down the testosterone

You need testosterone in your body to grow muscles and strenght. (yes women have that to but the average being approximately nine
times less than the male body, and males have estrogen but not in the same quantity) And what testosterone does in short is to help the body grow and enlarge many organs (not just your litle snake friend)
as well as to give you facial hair

And as marines are made when they are very young, even if you took a female to become a marine you hade to lower the
estrogen levels and increas the testosterone levels in their body which would make them look and sound as a man but
without the snake in ther pants. It would probably even lower the success rate in creating a marine as it would be
more complicated.

Cannon or not thats why there will never ever ever be any female looking marines out there, and that means no boobies on the "female" marines
as you need estrogen to have them to.

Its al simple human biologi.. nuff said..

/Biology lesson over

well i congratulate you on your modling skills

but arnt the female space marines well the sisters of battle?

Bubbalicious wrote:The reason behind there not being anny female or should i say female looking marine is genetical and lay
in the difference of grothe hormons. As the female horome estrogen dosent promote muscle growth and makes it harder to
even grow muscles as it brakes down the testosterone

You need testosterone in your body to grow muscles and strenght. (yes women have that to but the average being approximately nine
times less than the male body, and males have estrogen but not in the same quantity) And what testosterone does in short is to help the body grow and enlarge many organs (not just your litle snake friend)
as well as to give you facial hair

And as marines are made when they are very young, even if you took a female to become a marine you hade to lower the
estrogen levels and increas the testosterone levels in their body which would make them look and sound as a man but
without the snake in ther pants. It would probably even lower the success rate in creating a marine as it would be
more complicated.

Cannon or not thats why there will never ever ever be any female looking marines out there, and that means no boobies on the "female" marines
as you need estrogen to have them to.

Its al simple human biologi.. nuff said..

/Biology lesson over

I'll counter that with women (in general) being able to carry heavy loads further more easily due to their physiology, having a higher pain threshold, and most are able to develop similar levels of strength to men without the muscle mass. Further: a space marine's strength is augmented by their power armor.

Urban Guard wrote:well i congratulate you on your modling skills

but arnt the female space marines well the sisters of battle?

Thank Doc and the guys over at CMON. And no. Battle Sisters are not the same as space marines. They are unaugmented humans in power armor who function as a chamber militant to the Ecclesiarchy, as they are forbidden to have 'men under arms'. Space Marines are bio-enhanced supersoldiers who pretty much answer to no one but their own officers and the Emperor... and the Inquisition.... sometimes.

i ment the female equivilent

Eh.... the main reason is that generally the rules as written for SoB make them marginally inferior to Space Marines. Consider the idea that people might ask why is a man in a powered armor suit better then a woman in a powered armor suit (assuming they know nothing of the fluff). Further the reasons that GW gives for it not working don't hold up to scrutiny (ahh, the dangers of making a product for Nerds. Sometimes they know more about a given subject then the game designers.) and usually devolve into 'Because we say so!" (see Squats for a glaring example of this.)

Second to most men female figures are more attractive. It's hardwired into us, so the fact that someone might want to play with an army of female space marines because Space Marines kick ass. Thusly a male gamer gets to follow his natural impulse (look at hot girls, kick ass.)

Pure awesome sauce.

Some nice models here hopefully some slight changes to the head to modify them to the chapters more but the base looks good.

I LOVE the models for 2 reasons.

1. They are VERY Creative. There was a LOT of work and consideration put into converting each marine model with a female head. That consideration takes a great deal of research and prior knowledge to accomplish. Acquiring the female heads and affixing them to the models just adds that much more to the piece.

2. IT empowers women. A lot of the misogynistic comments made here are ridiculous and archaic. People, we live in the new millennium. We have a black president and had a strong female president in the running. More women are holding positions of power and even women in the military are being put in combat situations. So if we as a society can accept women in the ranks of men in the real world, why can't we do so in the fantasy world?

My theory is because it would interfere with some individual's macho escape from a world where the wife wears the pants in the family and their boss gets real cranky every 28 days.

As for women in the military, in the space marines, why not? Look at the real world again. Israel conscripts women as regular combat soldiers and beyond a doubt the Israeli army is one of the toughest ass-kickers on the planet! Women can be just as effective as soldiers as men.

I love the women of the Asters and want to see more, sculpted boobs or no. Why? Because while Warhammer is a predominantly male game there is still room to allow the other gender into our ranks.

Wow, all this and he's only posted TWO pictures...

Eh.... the main reason is that generally the rules as written for SoB make them marginally inferior to Space Marines. Consider the idea that people might ask why is a man in a powered armor suit better then a woman in a powered armor suit (assuming they know nothing of the fluff). Further the reasons that GW gives for it not working don't hold up to scrutiny (ahh, the dangers of making a product for Nerds. Sometimes they know more about a given subject then the game designers.) and usually devolve into 'Because we say so!" (see Squats for a glaring example of this.)

Second to most men female figures are more attractive. It's hardwired into us, so the fact that someone might want to play with an army of female space marines because Space Marines kick ass. Thusly a male gamer gets to follow his natural impulse (look at hot girls, kick ass.)


double triple doughnut what?

ladies this isn't the place to discus fluf legitemacy of the project. tkae it to the fluff forum

BaronIveagh wrote:Remember, folks, according to the Canon, squats never existed either. After all, GW says so, and has been diligently removing all references to them from reprints!

Not actually true.

There's still a Squat character in the Inquisition War trilogy. I'm not sure what other 'reprints' you would be referring to, since there's nothing else still in print that would have included a mention of Squats in the first place. They're certainly not about to reprint the 2nd edition rulebooks...

Nor has GW ever really denied the existence of Squats. There were a few 'There are no Squats' comments made at Games Days as a response to the tired old 'When are Squats coming back?' questions from the peanut gallery, but officially GW have never tried to claim that they don't exist, and have had no problem showing Squat armies or models from GTs and Golden Demons...

Bubbalicious wrote:The reason behind there not being anny female or should i say female looking marine is genetical and lay
in the difference of grothe hormons. As the female horome estrogen dosent promote muscle growth and makes it harder to
even grow muscles as it brakes down the testosterone

You need testosterone in your body to grow muscles and strenght. (yes women have that to but the average being approximately nine
times less than the male body, and males have estrogen but not in the same quantity) And what testosterone does in short is to help the body grow and enlarge many organs (not just your litle snake friend)
as well as to give you facial hair

And as marines are made when they are very young, even if you took a female to become a marine you hade to lower the
estrogen levels and increas the testosterone levels in their body which would make them look and sound as a man but
without the snake in ther pants. It would probably even lower the success rate in creating a marine as it would be
more complicated.

Cannon or not thats why there will never ever ever be any female looking marines out there, and that means no boobies on the "female" marines
as you need estrogen to have them to.

Its al simple human biologi.. nuff said..

/Biology lesson over

Ha ha.....well, thanks for the biology lesson. It makes a very compelling argument. However, theres one small problem......you're basing your argument on "real world" science in a fantasy setting.

You do realise that the whole "genetics" behind the Space Marines is impossible, maybe not in a million years from now, but certainly in the realm where your real world science is currently at play.......my long winded point? If GW wanted to create a Female Space Marine....they could.

The real issue here is not the science of it, its more to do with GWs obvious fear of women. I imagine their head-office to be a place of sweating armpits on the one side and slightly sexually confused males on the other. Why GW avoids the female element in anything but its crudiest form is anyone guess.

I do think that the Doc Thunder projects are fun, but I would say put your imagination and creativity into something that deserves it, WH40K has alot of cracks that its creator is either not capable or interested in closing, its a questionable pastime trying to close those cracks yourself.....True-scale Marines anyone?

Delephont wrote:True-scale Marines anyone?

Why do I vaguely recall that project someplace?

40k and real life science don't really mix. The only thing I've seen that comes near to it are Philip Sibbering's concepts and some stuff from the Anargo Sector Project.

Space Marines (even male ones) are impossible. Fully enclosed ribcages? Good luck breathing pall!

Malika2 wrote:40k and real life science don't really mix. The only thing I've seen that comes near to it are Philip Sibbering's concepts and some stuff from the Anargo Sector Project.

Space Marines (even male ones) are impossible. Fully enclosed ribcages? Good luck breathing pall!

I dunno... they might fit together like lorca segmenta. They could breathe but it would be fully enclosed because the plates overlap.

Delephont wrote:
Ha ha.....well, thanks for the biology lesson. It makes a very compelling argument. However, theres one small problem......you're basing your argument on "real world" science in a fantasy setting.

You do realise that the whole "genetics" behind the Space Marines is impossible, maybe not in a million years from now, but certainly in the realm where your real world science is currently at play.......my long winded point? If GW wanted to create a Female Space Marine....they could.

The real issue here is not the science of it, its more to do with GWs obvious fear of women. I imagine their head-office to be a place of sweating armpits on the one side and slightly sexually confused males on the other. Why GW avoids the female element in anything but its crudiest form is anyone guess.

I do think that the Doc Thunder projects are fun, but I would say put your imagination and creativity into something that deserves it, WH40K has alot of cracks that its creator is either not capable or interested in closing, its a questionable pastime trying to close those cracks yourself.....True-scale Marines anyone?

Well we cant have one of these threads whitout some fakts and real serious arguments, it just wouldn't feel right...

But its a good argument for not modeling them any different other than changing the heads.
And i do like the models, they look nice. What i would like to se is one of them painted upp to get a clearer picture of what they will look like.

Sorry to say this but putting female heads on male space marines is silly.

On top of it they all have the same face.

If you can fix the armour to reflect that they are women then great. If you put a womens head on a male body then it looks rather silly.

I do however believe there are female space marines and they are called Sisters of Battle. They are seperated from the Males for a reason.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Sorry to say this but putting female heads on male space marines is silly.

On top of it they all have the same face.

If you can fix the armour to reflect that they are women then great. If you put a womens head on a male body then it looks rather silly.

I do however believe there are female space marines and they are called Sisters of Battle. They are seperated from the Males for a reason.

Um... how many people are going to insist that SoB are Space Marines when they are very clearly not? It seems like this thread moves in circles, Someone claims that GW never made Female Space Marines, then it gets disproven. A few posts later someone will say that SoB are female Space marines, and that gets disproven, and then a few posts later someone will insist that GW has never made Female Space Marines...

Does no one ever read the previous page???

On the plus side I agree that the armor should have been modded a bit, but on the whole it's not a bad concept.

For those who love fluff I found this after a quick search.

http://www.geocities.com/Dasleahnomicron/FluffPages/iafemalespacemarines.html

neiltj1 wrote:For those who love fluff I found this after a quick search.

http://www.geocities.com/Dasleahnomicron/FluffPages/iafemalespacemarines.html

ROFL! That's great! It ain't cannon... but... It's damn good... LOL

SoB is the closest you are going to get to a Space Marine.

Female - Check
Power Armour - Check
Same Stats but Strenght - Check (they are women that are weaker then men)

So they are basically Space Marines.

No Terminators (Iconic Space Marine gear)

No LandRaiders (Iconic Space Marine Vehicle)

Same Stats NOT Check. Read back of 5e rulebook. SoB do not have the same stats.

WS STR and T are lower. (Ironically, women are by and large tougher then men, by virtue of higher endurance and pain threshold, so claiming it's because they're girls doesn't hold water.)

get over it i agree with yacface

Dr. T, I love your threads. so much debate, over such a little matter

Im just about finished converting up my own female marine in your honor, to join my chosen squad (with your permission, I'll be using the black widows colors).

by the way... how are those jetbikes coming?

BaronIveagh wrote:Someone claims that GW never made Female Space Marines, then it gets disproven.

Don't get too smug. "Disproven" is a stretch at best. Granted, you did show a pic of a GW female model in power armor. I must concede that point (I totally forgot about that mini, too). However, that mini is not a "Space Marine", let alone, a female Space Marine. That model is a novelty casting much like the Space Santa, Space Skeleton, and the infamous Marine on the toilet. Hence the silly text that accompanied the release of that mini. They specifically said that she was NOT a Space Marine and that they (female SM) cannot exist.

So, yeah, you found a female model in power armor from GW. Fair enough. But it isn't a "female Space Marine" and it doesn't exactly disprove.

There are no literal female Space Marines. Or ghosts. Or good My Chemical Romance songs. Or yummy tofu dishes for that matter.




Ghidorah

Man, I was hoping to actually see a pretty kick ass diaorama progression with 6 pages in the thread.

But its just six pages of ranting from fluff nazis.

Good times Dakka, good times.

Yea, this looks pretty cool. I wanna see the pics when the done.

This is a pretty awesome project.

Ghidorah wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:Someone claims that GW never made Female Space Marines, then it gets disproven.

Don't get too smug. "Disproven" is a stretch at best. Granted, you did show a pic of a GW female model in power armor. I must concede that point (I totally forgot about that mini, too). However, that mini is not a "Space Marine", let alone, a female Space Marine. That model is a novelty casting much like the Space Santa, Space Skeleton, and the infamous Marine on the toilet. Hence the silly text that accompanied the release of that mini. They specifically said that she was NOT a Space Marine and that they (female SM) cannot exist.

So, yeah, you found a female model in power armor from GW. Fair enough. But it isn't a "female Space Marine" and it doesn't exactly disprove.

There are no literal female Space Marines. Or ghosts. Or good My Chemical Romance songs. Or yummy tofu dishes for that matter.

Quoted for truth.
This "Women of the Adeptus Astartes Diorama" is funny, but no more fluffy than Chaos Necrons would be.