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I do fear some GW fans brains would melt should GW ever throw a curve ball and came out that one of the two missing chapters was the Emperors daughter.

I know its not going to happen, but where as I would laugh and say cool. I fear for the interwebs as the strain of thousands of frothing fanbois lunging to vent on their GW forums could collapse the network.

As to the figs themselves, love the way you captured the chapters in the figs, nice work.

Fetterkey wrote:

Doctor Thunder wrote:

Orlanth's suggestion of suggesting feminity via alterations to the hips and legs of the model would probably be the most "realistic" way of going about things.

Everyone suggests that, but no one notices when you do it. For my Black Widows, I widened the hips and narrowed the shoulders and even narrowed the waist, but no one ever noticed. It ends up just being a lot of wasted effort.

If you have to make female marines, that approach would actually be better. Subtle differences are always better than going over the top, which the Black Widows certainly are. Besides, bareheads aside, I don't think you would actually be able to tell...

On that note subtle always makes better sense if you have a male marine model to compare them to. On their own you might not notice so much. The armour isnt distionctly femme just cut slightly. Frankly you shouldnt notice except by comparison.

Its a bit like the transition from 16bit to 32bit graphics. 32bit graphics gives so many colours the human eye cannot register them all. 16bit is good enough with twice the efficiency. You tend not to notice the difference at all, until two images are side by side. Then you notice a lot.

you know what.... awesome models... Yak face said what I was gonna say...but then again I wouldnt have done much...Back on topic. I love them, and I think the more people who see these the more they might be interested and not blowing it off as being sexist...I spell that right?

it looks like the belt is squeezing her hips down.

if you really did sculpt these, pick up a book on proportions.

art has rules, you have to know them to break them and still look good. seeing as you rather enjoy these threads i'd say two things.

Comments have been removed by Moderator Kilkrazy as they were insulting.

Mmm... the hate is strong with this one

Congratulations wash-away, you are the first to go as far as to make me consider actually pressing the Ignore button.

wash-away wrote:art has rules, you have to know them to break them and still look good. seeing as you rather enjoy these threads i'd say two things.

Comments have been removed by Moderator Kilkrazy as they were insulting.

You had to go there, didn't you? I'm sorry, but calling the OP a *** is really over the bend. Consider your ass reported to the mods.

Ghidorah wrote:...and a pretty good painter, too.

Phiasco goes LOL

Doctor Thunder wrote:Everyone suggests that, but no one notices when you do it. For my Black Widows, I widened the hips and narrowed the shoulders and even narrowed the waist, but no one ever noticed. It ends up just being a lot of wasted effort.

wasted effort? with that statement i am pretty sure you just agreed with everyone who said this was a dumb idea.


maybe that's just me.

this thread makes me giggle.

Here is a nice female trooper kind of figure from Hasslefree.

http://www.hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/pack.php?pack=1246

Take a look at the Infinity miniatures too, lots of very nice female figures there

http://www.nomadarachne.com/infinity_ENG/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=191

Doc, you've gotta be loving the amount of controversy you've sparked over these chicks.

I dislike the Raven Guard model, but I can't specifically say why. I think maybe her weapons choice? Still, if you paint her up nicely, it'll probably be fine.

Other than that, this is great! Fun idea, good execution. And have I mentioned I like the avatar, too? Anyway, I'd love to see that female regiment get some attention.

Keep up the good work!

phiasco wrote:

Doctor Thunder wrote:Everyone suggests that, but no one notices when you do it. For my Black Widows, I widened the hips and narrowed the shoulders and even narrowed the waist, but no one ever noticed. It ends up just being a lot of wasted effort.

wasted effort? with that statement i am pretty sure you just agreed with everyone who said this was a dumb idea.


maybe that's just me.

It's just you. No one noticing that you re-work the model to have more feminine proportions other than just "OMFG BOOBS!" is far from being the same as "These is dums cuz theirs no Spaze Marien wimmins!"

Agamemnon2 wrote:

wash-away wrote:art has rules, you have to know them to break them and still look good. seeing as you rather enjoy these threads i'd say two things.

Comments have been removed by Moderator Kilkrazy as they were insulting.

You had to go there, didn't you? I'm sorry, but calling the OP a *** is really over the bend. Consider your ass reported to the mods.

If he hadn't 'come on to me' in another thread, and if i didn't know this user in real life i would with hold my judgment.

however since i do know this user, i beleive it is called for.

DoctorThunder wrote:Mammory glands noted to be unusually large for frame (89th percentile for standard human female).

The subject’s brain’s pleasure center is approximately 38% larger then in found in standard human females

that is his fluff, he does a huge wall of fluff that reads like hentai. if this is the first time i wouldn't have said anything.

however if you accidently get shot (offended) by someone, and they rub your nose in it. even after you try to give constructive criticism they are a complete a** to you what are you suppose to do? I do not like the OP, he's perverted, and he has given me flak many times over model criticism.

i beleive i am perfectly in my rights defending myself, i am offended by his posts, by his models, and i get the f***ing warning. good work dakka.

wash-away wrote:

If he hadn't 'come on to me' in another thread.

Dude, I was being sarcastic. There's always room on Dakka for a little playful banter.

however since i do know this user, i beleive it is called for.

Are you sure? I looked at your photo on your Deviant Art page, and I don't recall meeting you. Maybe I'm just getting old.

he has given me flak many times over model criticism.

If you want to be taken seriously you need to learn how to give criticism in the right way. Perhaps you were trying to be helpful, I don't really know, but your posts have always come across to me as trolling, which I'm naturally not going to take seriously.

Doctor Thunder wrote:

wash-away wrote:

If he hadn't 'come on to me' in another thread.

Dude, I was being sarcastic. There's always room on Dakka for a little playful banter.

however since i do know this user, i beleive it is called for.

Are you sure? I looked at your photo on your Deviant Art page, and I don't recall meeting you. Maybe I'm just getting old.

he has given me flak many times over model criticism.

If you want to be taken seriously you need to learn how to give criticism in the right way. Perhaps you were trying to be helpful, I don't really know, but your posts have always come across to me as trolling, which I'm naturally not going to take seriously.

that was me without my glasses, when you got to mind games the pictures from the ardboyz with guy 'drinking' out of the trophy cup. i'm in the group pic with a blue button up shirt in the second row

my biggest advice was to credit the painter. i was told when one of the guys at mindgames saw your models said that you didn't paint them.

i'll be 19 in january, and with the internet i have an even harder time realizing sarcasim.

though i still do not agree with what you did with your widow marines, they contradict the fluff, or rather don't line up with it enough. female guard are an extreamly good conversion idea but my biggest gripe is continuing with gw's style. they look to much like an anime show like apple seed or other kind of military shows.

though i gave you the most flak because of what i heard, i was reassured by your black widows post.

i have a gripe with players at mind games. if your not in with the click, hell if you don't agree with them on every level on all levels of life they discredit you and you get flak every time you show up. edwin owes me bits so does guy, however i've cut my loses because the old friendly gamers down there stopped showing up and I'm not driving that far to get groud into the pavement.

don't take this as an apology, however i was assumptuos with this but its always been safer for me to assume something is bad untill proven otherwise. I'm not the most adapt at socialising and i do apologize for that.

No hard feelings, mate.

Just because we disagree about what should and should not be done in the hobby doesn't mean we can't hang out and enjoy the hobby together.

I totally understand where you are coming from, Wash. You have a very clear and distinct image of what 40K should be, and I respect that.

I show that respect by giving you the freedom to enjoy your toy soldiers in your own way. They are yours, and whatever conversions and painting you do with them I'll applaud so long as you are having fun. I will never walk in and tell you that you should conform to what I think you should be doing with your toy soldiers.

All I ask is that you show me the same courtesy.

the better something gets the more criticism we give to it for the flaws it has.

though i'd rather play against a painted army no matter the scheme or style then the gray horde that has consumed so man ya store.

wash-away wrote:though i'd rather play against a painted army no matter the scheme or style then the gray horde that has consumed so man ya store.

I totally agree with this point, it seems that so many people just don't bother to paint their stuff these days and its depressing.

I think they're very cool!
The lost Second Legion!
And so many bad ass chicks to name them after.
Emperors Erinyes
Fathers Furies
Mothers in Law
That Chicks Crazy

I am not a fan of the concept or the figures. Since females being SM is not cannon. (Yet, it seems some people are really pushing/hoping for it)

Now, if you wanted to make your own female chapter, I could get by that. (And you did.) But mixing in females with old chapters like that is just a no no.

Now, to the Models. They are show no resemblance to females. At all. Even the heads just look like mannish chicks. If the thread title wasn't what it is, I would have looked at them and went "Wow, those are some girly dudes." I am not telling you to sculpt boobs on them. But use more than 3 different heads and use heads that are not as mannish. Maybe find some head models that resemble females, then paint them/green stuff them to look like they are battle hardened. Dirt and grit and maybe a scar or two.

Right now, they just look bad. (That has nothing to do with me not liking the concept)

are we ever gonna see pics of the models themselves?

Edward089 wrote:are we ever gonna see pics of the models themselves?

Ummm.. first post in the thread????

-Porkuslime

I don't like to necro threads, but by the Emperor, I have a too powerful urge to jump in with my two cents on this one!

Back in the old Rogue Trader days, there WERE female space marines and female space marine models.

So reflect on that before dissing a fairly cool mod.

Doctor Thunder is my friggn hero fighting the power and shaking up the hobby with a bang! It makes me laugh how many people took offense to a female SM. I mean seriously it gets so boring only seeing the same male model after male model and random alien which is most likely male. Let the creative have their fun and the female gamers have more than just one army.

Keep on fighting that good fight Doctor Thunder!

BaronIveagh wrote:Back in the old Rogue Trader days, there WERE female space marines and female space marine models.

I'm gonna guess that you didn't actually play Rogue Trader. There were NO female Space Marines. There were female Imperial Guard, but no Marines. Sorry. There may have even been some female Adventurers or Pirates...

However, feel free to prove me wrong. Show me a picture of a female Space Marine from Rogue Trader. I've never seen one.



Ghidorah

Ghidorah wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:Back in the old Rogue Trader days, there WERE female space marines and female space marine models.

I'm gonna guess that you didn't actually play Rogue Trader. There were NO female Space Marines. There were female Imperial Guard, but no Marines. Sorry. There may have even been some female Adventurers or Pirates...

However, feel free to prove me wrong. Show me a picture of a female Space Marine from Rogue Trader. I've never seen one.



Ghidorah

Achem, allow me to apologize...


"All hands on Deck, this is Meridius! Some female 'adventurers' have slipped aboard and implanted themselves with the black carapace in order to wear several sets of Mark IV Maximus powered armor! They are armed and dangerous, having seized bolters and power swords from the armory! We believe they intend to escape from the Gamus Workshopus in space marine blisters, a few may even have Space Marine stamped on their slotta bases! Do not be fooled! Female Space Marines cannot exist! You can tell them from your Sargents by their hair and their non-Ultramarines chapter badges, which are displayed in accordance with the Codex Astartes! Be on Alert! That is all."





For some reason I keep thinking it walks like a Smurf and Quacks like a Smurf...

All hands on Deck, this is Meridius! Some female 'adventurers' have slipped aboard and implanted themselves with the black carapace in order to wear several sets of Mark IV Maximus powered armor!

Ghidorah said in his post they may have been "adventurers" (no idea what that means, didn't play in RT days) but not Marines. The paragraph you quoted refers to them as "adventurers" in the very second sentence and then goes on to say "Female Space Marines cannot exist!"

How is this arguing for female Space Marines again? Because it "looks" like one? I take it a Tau fire warrior could put on an Ultramarine helmet and it'd be a Space Marine, too? Not to mention the whole thing sounded like a joke release anyway and I doubt GW was ever serious about making female Marines canon.

How do you go about implanting yourself with the black carapace, anyway? Don't know much about Space Marine creation but can you even do that?

Sidstyler wrote:

All hands on Deck, this is Meridius! Some female 'adventurers' have slipped aboard and implanted themselves with the black carapace in order to wear several sets of Mark IV Maximus powered armor!

Ghidorah said in his post they may have been "adventurers" (no idea what that means, didn't play in RT days) but not Marines. The paragraph you quoted refers to them as "adventurers" in the very second sentence and then goes on to say "Female Space Marines cannot exist!"

How is this arguing for female Space Marines again? Because it "looks" like one? I take it a Tau fire warrior could put on an Ultramarine helmet and it'd be a Space Marine, too? Not to mention the whole thing sounded like a joke release anyway and I doubt GW was ever serious about making female Marines canon.

How do you go about implanting yourself with the black carapace, anyway? Don't know much about Space Marine creation but can you even do that?

My point was that you can't. We have here one of two minis that were part of the 'Adventurers' line for RT (along with Astropaths and quite a few other 40k models) that appear to depict female space marines in Mark 4 powered armor with chapter badges, carrying power swords and bolters (and very different from the BoS, who were depeicted somewhat similar to the way they are now in the game art). In fact, they're so space marine that they messed up and released quite a few of them as Space Marines (IE in space marine packs, etc).

The only way to control Space Marine powered armor is by being implanted with the Black Carapace, which is one of the implants space marines receive.

The point was that either the fluff about Space Marine armor is wrong, or these would have to be space marines. Since this is an unmodded sculpt released for RT.

Of course: this chapter may have been consumed by the Tyranids along with the squats they were released with...

@ Sidstyler

You tool, he was being sarcastic.......what he was trying to say for those without the "humour chip"...here is a minature from back in the day, whilst badly sculpted, yet true to GW "quality", is what appears to be a Female Space Marine, see the little boobies, and the slimmed down thighs.....he then suggests that the metal tab on the bottom even says Space Marine....

@ All

GW change their "Cannon" as and when they please. SO it may have been that GW did agree with female Space Marines, probably until they realised they don't have any sculptors on the team that can actually sculpt a female form.....then they dropped it.

@ Sidstyler

Try to find the sarcastic remark in my paragraph above

Remember, folks, according to the Canon, squats never existed either. After all, GW says so, and has been diligently removing all references to them from reprints! And anyone saying differently has been purged for your protection!


BTW: For Space Marine Chapters from one of the cursed foundings, turning into women would actually be one of the LESS bizarre things that happen to them...