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Maybe because I'm a Space Wolf player?

Arooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

I think this is a pretty interesting thread.

I will read through it and say a bit about how I feel when I get a scope of the actual conversation going on here. There are a few kids that play at my FLGS and they seem like good folks. As long as you take some time to paint every month, study your codex every so often, and play friendly, your cool folks. Rolling badly is a pretty good way to hype anyone up, so I can't say that most situations don't merit some kind of whimper or something along those lines. If I rolled in a casino like I roll on the board sometimes, I would be one broke #%@ dude.

Although I could care less when playing games about a paintjob, I need to understand what your army is. Most adults armies I have seen are so far behind on painting points it is ridiculous. The armies just get abandoned and played with occasionally. With a lot of kids they just can't not focus on something so satisfying as personalizing your very own space-age army to command and do with as you see fit... Hmmm I need some Battlefleet Gothic.

I think I can babble a tiny bit here w/o causing too much fuss... mounts

Kids will be kids, and although this phrase may be a tad worn out in our current world, they are still children and deserve a dash of patience. If you can't handle the utter madness a group of screaming kids can inflict upon your state of mind, you need to bring ear-plugs. I am totally serious about this; using ear-plugs while gaming isn't disrespectful at all, some consider war-gaming their personal meditation time. If I want to be in my own little world, you simply cannot stop me, this is how kids work; I try to maintain a degree freedom and downright foolishness coupled with maturity and responsibility. If Trekkie Macgoo wants to wear a silly suit and be a space-man, why the hell shouldn't they be able to. If a costume (in this case a state of mind really) just juggles their balls that well, and they don't go klingon and cause some sort of nerd-tastrophe all is well in the land of funny hats and silly names.

I love fantasy, and to deny a child access to a fantastic game like WH40k (despite it's... problems) would just be wrong. You are not these kids parents, so there is absolutely no need for you to do anything besides scare the less friendly company away from them. Just say BOO!, it usually disperses any cloud of SUPER NERD WITH THE ANSWERS YOU NEEDZ!!!

...steps down from

Emperors Faithful wrote:Arooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

thats his other, dog imitation.

being only 17 i kind of fall in the between of this topic...
granted i am not part of the group at my store that couldnt sneak up on my deaf uncle to save their lives because they talk//yell so loud, or throw dice at models when they take wounds, so i guess im on the better end of this...

but ive also seen a few in their 20's acting the same way while playing...



warhammer should be as alcohol and using the interenet should be in my opinion; everyone interested should be interviewed observed and questioned, and only the mature and willing to learn should be allowed full passage...
age, eh, not so relevant...
among those mentioned at my store theres also a 9 year old who patiently paints his crimson fists and ive never seen him get pouty or argumentative during a game...

krusty wrote:being only 17 i kind of fall in the between of this topic...
granted i am not part of the group at my store that couldnt sneak up on my deaf uncle to save their lives because they talk//yell so loud, or throw dice at models when they take wounds, so i guess im on the better end of this...

but ive also seen a few in their 20's acting the same way while playing...



warhammer should be as alcohol and using the interenet should be in my opinion; everyone interested should be interviewed observed and questioned, and only the mature and willing to learn should be allowed full passage...
age, eh, not so relevant...
among those mentioned at my store theres also a 9 year old who patiently paints his crimson fists and ive never seen him get pouty or argumentative during a game...

I love you Big Brother!

"Note"
Pokes hole in own joke

What about that person who thought 40k was a brainwashing tactic for the kids by the government to teach them to kill and murder without question?

Emperors Faithful wrote:What about that person who thought 40k was a brainwashing tactic for the kids by the government to teach them to kill and murder without question?

You mean it isn't???? Man I've been gipped!

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Really, I can't think of any other response...

Frosty Hardtop wrote: I'm 24.

Children can be a nuisance, especially when you're not playing against them. It's been my experience that they don't know the rules, and they talk way too much. Ignoring the Ultramarines love and all that. I had to endure three hours of a kid talking about Black Templar at me while we were trying to play a few games at our store the other day. However, I find that dealing with kids gives you a chance to teach by example. Keep on doing your thing, don't get pissed off about the rules, don't get angry when you measure your blast marker and count six of their guys, and they count five, don't get angry when you count five of your guys under the marker, and they count six. These kids are going to grow up into adults, so you can show them how adults interact.

However, who I hate are OLDER GAMERS. I swear I'm going to throttle the next person who goes on an hour long diatribe about how AD&D was so much better. Shut up, and roll your Dragonkin Warlock, we're up to 4th Edition now. Older gamers are the biggest whiners, they know everything, and every ten minutes you have to correct them on a rule ("Oh, well, that's how we did it in 4th Edition." "SHUT UP THIS IS FIFTH EDITION READ YOUR RULEBOOK"). And they have a hundred thousand stories you have to endure to get through an interaction with them.

I can agree with what you are saying about younger kids. That's how I try to be.

Curious though...what constitutes an "older gamer" which you hate? Maybe what you feel is whining is just nostalgia? Since you have only dealt with some of the more recent editions of things you lack the understanding and experience to offer a valid comparison. Maybe AD&D WAS better. You will not know, because you have never played it, have you? Also everyone makes mistakes. If you can't tolerate correcting a rule for someone this will be a difficult hobby for you (I see you have only been playing a couple of months now). The point here is you need to try and see things from the other side of the coin. I for one get things stuck in my head since I've played 40K since 2nd edition and Fantasy since 3rd. Hull down is an example. It no longer exists the way it once did, and at times I forget. Does that make me "annoying?" The people I play with keep coming back so it couldn't be that bad. We play low key, not hyper competitive and just to have fun. You sound like you are pretty rigid and more than likely a rules lawyer. Not that there is anything wrong with that if it is the norm for your group, but certainly not my style. The key is to find people who's play style you are compatible with and go for it, but I would avoid sweeping generalizations like the ones you made because you may just miss out on gaming with some people you'd have fun with based on pre-conceived notions.

Good point, Mike.

I keep "misspeaking" Hull down, myself.
I KNOW the new rule. Still, though, I keep saying "Roll to see if I/you get Hull Down."

Now, What I *mean* is "Roll my/your cover save," but that's not what I'm actually saying. Iit drives one guy in my group nutz. He HAS to correct me every time I say it. LOL
Sometimes, I *DO* say it on purpose, now (for that reason).... but not typically.

Eric