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When you remove integral components of game design, you are no longer playing the game. ETCk =! 40k. Every tournament inherently has some of this, but fundamentally removing codex options seems pretty avoidable, vs. the unavoidable differences.

My only comment would be more about the Bolter Beach dig ... it's not a positive for one indy tournament to dig on another as a form of promotion.

BBF - you seem to be the only one to have such a huge issue with Allies, it doesnt need repeating in here.

However as they allow Code: Daemon Hunters (and Witch...) it presupposes that allies will be allowed, unless they specifically state that only the PDF counts.

NotThisTime wrote:Here are the General Rules we must abide by:



3.2 Army lists limitations :

All Special/Individual Characters are banned and may not be fielded in the 2010 ETC.

I stopped reading.

You can't really call this a Championship if you aren't following the rules.

+1 for MVB and Bunker....

torgoch wrote:

ryan3740 wrote:I don't like the SC ban either. You've guaranteed that you won't see any Dark Angles now. Hopefully next year they'll decide to allow them.

Funny, I counted at least two Dark Angels.

Wow, really? Having had this discussion on BOLS recently, they do have a handful of advantages. But they center around counts-as-troops, so a fair amount of them aren't accessable.

Maybe somebody really wanted to field two copies of the SM codex?

MVBrandt wrote:When you remove integral components of game design, you are no longer playing the game. ETCk =! 40k. Every tournament inherently has some of this, but fundamentally removing codex options seems pretty avoidable, vs. the unavoidable differences.

I argued long and hard to not ban any characters, but in the end, only a couple of countries sided with me. It is one country one vote, just like any democracy, its the worst system, except for all the others that have been tried.


All the countries play by the same rules, so banning things doesn't reduce the competition of the event, it just changes the metagame around.

all of you who can't handle special character's being removed.... QQ more please. Its not like this wasn't voted on by those participating. If the majority of the participants vote for the game to be played a certain way, then who really cares? The entire purpose of this game is to have fun, and the entire purpose of an international tournament like this is to get to know gamers from other countries.

I myself don't care about ANY tournament rules. I'll play comp-heavy tournaments, i'll play tournaments with special characters, tournaments with only battlepoints scoring, whatever.... because this game is about fun. I enjoy it. So long as I know the rules beforehand, I couldn't care less about them, so long as they are fair to everyone involved (i.e., no random pairing of opponents together regardless of record).

If only a few countries want special characters, and the rest do not, then yes, that is democracy. If it were any other way, it would be rule by minority (unanimous vote required would just ensure endless debate, as nobody ever changes views on this), which is not exactly a great way to go around deciding things.

People aren't crying over SC's being removed. Most are merely pointing out that removing them means your not playing 40k as it was designed anymore.

I'll play in any tourney under the sun. And only one of my standard lists includes SC's. I don't give a hoot what the rules are I'll adjust and go to win. That doesn't mean we have to smile and tell people that it's a great thing they're doing by changing the game.

Besides. It's to be expected since this is an american board and american's as stated were one of the few countries to vote to keep SC's.

On a side note we don't know how the "captains" arrived at their choice. They were actually the minority of the people attending who voted. Not a democracy since everyone didn't have a vote though to be fair most people don't realize that the US isn't a true democracy Granted the UK guys took an internal vote so they really don't want SC's

lol the system to remove SC's was entirely like the US version of democracy... representative democracy!

You said democracy not representative democracy

I'm mostly just killing time before I have to work

I know the feeling. I'm at my work right now... a 9 hour shift at a tech support desk for my college, where nobody EVER calls during the summer. i've been here 4 hours, literally ONE call i've had to take.

and they won't let me paint. Just sitting at a computer... no video games... just internet forums and web comics.

I may kill myself.

Any time you want a shot at the title Jay......just let me know.....LOL

Is shaun getting a senior discount on his ticket...????

...Is this a joke?

Seriously?

Okay... if its not a joke, will this be aired on ESPN?

I think that is an important question...

http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/07/team-ameri-what.html

Lol

Snikkyd wrote:http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/07/team-ameri-what.html

Lol

LOL is right, because no one cares what Stelek thinks.

Was that directed at me or him? Kind of confusing

Also, believe it or not there actually are people that care what he says.

whitedragon wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/07/team-ameri-what.html

Lol

LOL is right, because no one cares what Stelek thinks.

For someone who is cared so little about he sure gets brought up a lot.

Danny Internets wrote:

whitedragon wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/07/team-ameri-what.html

Lol

LOL is right, because no one cares what Stelek thinks.

For someone who is cared so little about he sure gets brought up a lot.

But mostly it appears in the context of people who suck at tournaments (but would prefer you not to know that) talking to people who don't go to tournaments (but would definitely prefer you not to know that) talking about people who do go to tournaments (and who aren't there to talk back). At least, thats about what I can gather from a few glances.

And in this discussion at least, also from people who claim not to care about the ETC, yet can't help posting their latest thoughts on it. Really odd. Anyway, I'm glad these people have somewhere to gather.

I'm not foolish enough to think that Greg Sparks doesn't know exactly what he's doing with that army list, and I don't think any of my team-mates are either. And my respect to the entire US team for the commitment in crossing the pond to play in the event is immense.

@Alex - It's frickin' sweet that you are on team Wales. I personally can't wait to see ya' over in Germany. It's been quite a while since we played. So not bringing your Tau? What's up with that?

Alas, I wish I could make it over to the UK GTs more than just the one year. We'll have to grab a beer after the event.

@ Torgoch, thanks for your kind words. It hasn't been easy to handle the logistics and challanges of gathering 8 top players to travel half way around the world. We're not just excited about the chance to kick some ass for America, we also realize this is an important event for the game of 40k. This is the first world championship, and a major milestone for competative 40k. I for one, am honored to be a part of it.

whitedragon wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/07/team-ameri-what.html

Lol

LOL is right, because no one cares what Stelek thinks.

Oh boy, more bashing Stelek.

Cause that sure doesn't get old.


On a more on-topic note: Where the hell is Team Canada? Since we aren't cool enough to get an invite, are we supposed to cheer for the Brits?

torgoch wrote:

Danny Internets wrote:

whitedragon wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/07/team-ameri-what.html

Lol

LOL is right, because no one cares what Stelek thinks.

For someone who is cared so little about he sure gets brought up a lot.

But mostly it appears in the context of people who suck at tournaments (but would prefer you not to know that) talking to people who don't go to tournaments (but would definitely prefer you not to know that) talking about people who do go to tournaments (and who aren't there to talk back). At least, thats about what I can gather from a few glances.

And in this discussion at least, also from people who claim not to care about the ETC, yet can't help posting their latest thoughts on it. Really odd. Anyway, I'm glad these people have somewhere to gather.

I'm not foolish enough to think that Greg Sparks doesn't know exactly what he's doing with that army list, and I don't think any of my team-mates are either. And my respect to the entire US team for the commitment in crossing the pond to play in the event is immense.

Freakin' +1 Torgoch.

And I would have loved to watch the Toledo team play in the Team Tourney at Adepticon to get a sense for how their Eldar list worked, because they were beating faces left and right. Alas, over on the DD2 table we had our hands full against Razorback Spam Wolves/Mech Guard, Hades Breaching Drills, 16 Bloodcrushers led by Skulltaker, and finally a good game against Da Boyz.

There wasn't any time to wander between tables since all of our matches went so close to the time being called, but I know the Toledo team was really doing well with their eldar.

Hopefully one day all the bashing will come to an end and we can all just enjoy the game.

Go Team America !!

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If we just leave Stelek out of this, that'd be cool. ta.

Bunker wrote:On a more on-topic note: Where the hell is Team Canada? Since we aren't cool enough to get an invite, are we supposed to cheer for the Brits?

Well actually no one gets invitations, a captain from the respective country need only apply, and assuming there isn't already a team from the country. Ben/spacecurves took the initiative and applied for Team America, no one had done it before and he took the big first leap.

As there was no prior teams or normal ways to assemble a team, in the states (such as play off or a tournament circuit), and it was all pretty last minute, he took it upon him self to assemble a team the best way he saw fit, after all it was his responsibility as the captain to get some sort of team together. Or else the first time America applied they would show up... with no one.

So who knows! Maybe next year there will be a team Canada. Someone with the guts, courage, stamina, fortitude, determination, and most importantly patience need only apply. Maybe that could be you Bunker.

Come on Bunker and step up to hte plate. If you think yer good enough taht is.

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Black Blow Fly wrote:Come on Bunker and step up to hte plate. If you think yer good enough taht is.

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Yawn.

Sorry dude, don't have a couple grand to fly across the pond to play space men. I can stay here, travel 20 minutes and play against much better lists.

What is up with that lame avatar btw ??

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Had to change it because one of the Mods took issue with the old one. Apparently Harley Quinn simulating oral sex is offensive but a model of a souldgrinder daemonette with its tits out is good to go.

C'est la vie I guess.

Why cant you just be happy with some like an Ultra-smurfy symbol? They are very popular. I put users on IGNORE that have highly offensive avatars (like scooter... uggggh !!!)

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