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So can the USA bring more than one team next year? I'm just curious since unless I'm missing something significant in how the governements of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland work they are the equivelant of our States. Granted that is only based on a little light research into the UK political system after a discussion with the wife brought it up

Glad to see which teams voted for and against SC's being Banned. Anyone on the Banned-non list gets a +1 from me! Hope Canada can make it next year too. Good luck to everyone playing and involved.

chtiofonce wrote:I suppose that is when I congratulate again Spacecurves and his chaps for joining the fray, and wish them good luck in Munster to make the USA proud ;-)

Thank you for your overly unconfrontational, politically correct post, you've permanently crushed part of my desire to destroy Europeans with little toy men.

But don't worry, I REALLY wanted to crush Europeans, so I should be fine.

As far as country representation is concerned I recommend you the read of the ETC charter.

@SilentBob367
Now I'll have to embarass you with your captains sincerity

Spacecurves wrote:We don't actually think you europeans are bad players, we don't think europe is the third world, we don't actually expect to win every game

But if you want me to bite were it hurts, then I shall :
How does it feel to be the only country to field wraithguard at ETC this year ? And warpspiders ?
Same question for fast attack ork bikes ?
What do you think of the fact that USA is the only team along with Czech Republic to be fielding a mighty Mawloc ?
Shall I mention also the 23 noise marines...or maybe not, Russia has 5 of those after all...

@chtiofonce

But aren't all members of the Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and England members of the United Kingdom which is the primary government for all of those provinces/countries? Just seems interesting to me that the UK gets 4 teams in the ETC while every other primary government makes due with one

chtiofonce wrote:As far as country representation is concerned I recommend you the read of the ETC charter.

@SilentBob367
Now I'll have to embarass you with your captains sincerity

Spacecurves wrote:We don't actually think you europeans are bad players, we don't think europe is the third world, we don't actually expect to win every game

But if you want me to bite were it hurts, then I shall :
How does it feel to be the only country to field wraithguard at ETC this year ? And warpspiders ?
Same question for fast attack ork bikes ?
What do you think of the fact that USA is the only team along with Czech Republic to be fielding a mighty Mawloc ?
Shall I mention also the 23 noise marines...or maybe not, Russia has 5 of those after all...

How dare you make me look like a reasonable individual! ;P Quoting me out of context like that, the follow up post was:

Spacecurves wrote:
*cough* sorry I don't know what came over me, what I meant was:

"YIPPI KAYAAAAAY MOTHER******! SUCK DOWN THAT TABLING WITH A HEALTHY SIDE OF BUSH DOCTRINE!"

As for our unit selection, if our armies are truly terrible, what will that mean when we trounce you with them? Could it be, that americans....play...with....SKILL!??? No that would be crazy talk!

Sorry if i sound dumn what is ETC? from reading this thread sounds almost like a world cup of warhammer!? Im kinda psyched for this. wheres a good place to get news/updates about it when it starts?

Hulksmash wrote:@chtiofonce

But aren't all members of the Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and England members of the United Kingdom which is the primary government for all of those provinces/countries? Just seems interesting to me that the UK gets 4 teams in the ETC while every other primary government makes due with one

They are seperate countries. It was the heroic English football team that managed to pull out the draw against the USA, not the British.


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IHEARTLARGEBLASTTEMPLATES wrote:Sorry if i sound dumn what is ETC? from reading this thread sounds almost like a world cup of warhammer!? Im kinda psyched for this. wheres a good place to get news/updates about it when it starts?

You might want to read the last few posts again...

@torgoch

It just seems like the term country is a little different from where I'm sitting. I view the UK/Great Britain as the country. As that is the overall government of the listed regions. Not to be offensive or to step on national pride at all. I understand they are countries and are granted an amount of autonomy politically. But they are all members of the Great Britain/United Kingdom government.

But does Scotland send a team to the Olympics? Or Wales? Or Northern Ireland? Only Great Britain sends a team to the Olympics. Or to use your example only "England" sent a soccer team to the World Cup. Could Scotland also send one? In all honesty they seem no different than a state in the US.

Athletics is one of the few places you will actually see a team GB. Football, rugby, cricket hell even American football it's split by England/Scotland/Wales/n Ireland.

From wiki 'The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy and unitary state consisting of four countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.[12] Officially England and Scotland are countries, Wales is a principality and Northern Ireland is a province'

So it's not the same as states, each part has it's on separate government (though west minister is still the top one), Scotland has it's own legal system. In Wales all the road signs are in welsh as well as English.

Looking from the outside you would probably assume its just like states but no it's defiantly not.

Except to be honest with you our state governments provide the same services as your country governments. Our states have laws that as long as they don't violate the United States Constitution that they are allowed to pass. New Mexico is a bi-lingual state by law.

You sports analogy falls a little short because when the rest of the world competes the United Kingdom is only allowed one team Like I said. I realize that they are countries and that people have national pride. But the same can be said for Texans and Californians Which rate quite high globally (higher than the UK as a whole) as their own nations as far as their GDP goes.

eh no when the rest of the world competes we have more than one team, rugby, football and cricket world cups it's all separate teams.

It's very simple always been that way and any attempts to get one team formed has failed.

And for the final argument football, cricket, rugby and warhammer where all invented here so if want separate teams we can have em :p

Hulksmash - you are aware that the world cup has a qualifying stage, starting well in advance? Its why it is called the world cup *finals*

That is why Scotland "didnt send a team" -they didnt qualify for the finals.

Every sport apart from the olympics is England / Scotland etc, sometimes we send a "team GB" to specific events (certain rugby invitationals, for example), but these are the exception.

It appears that most participating teams have posted their army lists at YTTH.
Well, most of the lists are absolutely bad, especially Team America and Team Germany.
Stelek's comments

Least said about steleks opinions the better i think....

I'm not sure whether its a lack of SCs or people trying to list balance within teams, but nothing screams out as the "hardest" list...

Hulksmash wrote:So can the USA bring more than one team next year?

If not, you're welcome to join Team Canada next year, Brad.

All we ask is that you learn the National Anthem, drink Maple Syrup like water, adopt a baby polar bear, and swear your undying allegiance to the Queen.

Oh, aboot and eh become mandatory in sentences, as well.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:Least said about steleks opinions the better i think....

I'm not sure whether its a lack of SCs or people trying to list balance within teams, but nothing screams out as the "hardest" list...

Why? He's absolutely right about the lists. Most of them range from terrible to "the hell is this?", the only exception being Denmark, and even they brought a Lash list.

What's even worse is that those Lash lists are going to thrive in the ETC because most of the players don't seem to understand that 5th edition is the "you bring transports or you lose" edition.

Bunker wrote:

Why? He's absolutely right about the lists. Most of them range from terrible to "the hell is this?", the only exception being Denmark, and even they brought a Lash list.

What's even worse is that those Lash lists are going to thrive in the ETC because most of the players don't seem to understand that 5th edition is the "you bring transports or you lose" edition.

you are completely wrong about the "need transports" theory. sure meching up makes it easier for a bad general to scrape out wins. they are not needed by a good general with a good feel for his list. transport heavy army is at a huge disadvantage in killpoint mission compared to a foot list. and objective missions can be countered as the guys in transports are headed the same place you are. lash works just fine once you pop the transport.
I would be willing to bet that if you put a list together and then they got to pick one of the america's list to play against it, you would lose.

Some Guy in a third world country wrote:@SilentBob367
Now I'll have to embarass you with your captains sincerity

Hmmm... so when is this harsh embarrassment coming? All you did was list a bunch of awesome units... that would, in my opinion, be part of a much larger even more awesome army. So when ever you crazy French people get around to embarrassing me I’ll be standing by, which I can only assume is farting in my general direction, or what ever you do.

BTW you know I set both minimum and maximum goals for the event. Maximum is of course winning the tournament. Minimum is to place high then the French... I mean I'm American, I have dignity to protect, I can't have the French be better then Americans at anything associated with War.

But hey I’ll shoot you strait, you did give us Democracy and the Blow Job. So mad props all around.

Hulksmash wrote:@chtiofonce

But aren't all members of the Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and England members of the United Kingdom which is the primary government for all of those provinces/countries? Just seems interesting to me that the UK gets 4 teams in the ETC while every other primary government makes due with one

Wales, Scotland, northern ireland, and england are different countries. being an american that lived on the border of england and wales for a few years, this becomes quite clear. stating that they are the same country in certian pubs can lead to you getting your head kicked in. they have seperate goverments with seperate banks and languages ect ect ect.

skkipper wrote:

I would be willing to bet that if you put a list together and then they got to pick one of the america's list to play against it, you would lose.

Bahahahahaha, no.

Show me three lists that have won a large-scale tournament without transports in the past 6 months.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

@skkipper

Doesn't change the fact that they all have a single primary government. And on the world stage act as a single nation (diplomatically). Their a nation built from several countries. Same could be said for the US. I mean California and Texas were both countries (albiet short lived) before they accepted state status. Call a Texan a New Yorker and see how he reacts in some bars in Texas

@Bunker
Adepticon Team Tournament 2010 foot Orks and nob bikers

I know cause we played them in the final round with... walking eldar.

Hi

Silent Bob - is was fun beating you that last round! 8 really good players with lists that ignored the conventional wisdom of the meta-game. (I should add we beat a very good mech guard leaf blower style list round 3).

To add some weight, I won Astronomi-con Toronto with no transport, and the final Canadian GT in 2009 with a Tau list that featured one Devilfish for my pathfinders.

Since Team Canada has been mentioned...

I was heading up the Team Canada Fantasy Team and we got the ball rolling last September. I chose fantasy based on the fact that my closest gaming friends prefer WFB to 40K, despite being more competent at 40K. Things went both good and bad from there.

I very quickly had 8 people commit, with a 6 player waiting list. Unfortunately, life got in the way for many of our team members.

For myself, the ailing health of my father through the winter and spring has resulted in major changes for me, including a vast increase in work, taking on the responsibilities of running the family farm in addition to my full time job. Life and responsibility occassionally needs to outweigh playing with toy soldiers.

For others, the economic crisis has impacted them - one can't find a well-paying job inthe area he is in, the other can't afford to give up his job as he is fresh out of school. One choose to buy into a house rather than go... etc, etc.

The upside is that we still have a fantasy team going, but it is vastly changed. Adam Clark has stepped up to captain the team and should do us proud.

I won't be up to organizing a team in the immediate future, but if someone does and he/she is looking for a 40K player with decent street cred in Ontario, I would consider taking part in 2011.

Cheers,
Nate Stevens

double post

thanks for the help on winning non-mech lists.
la hard boyz final won by demons. no transports there
put up your list that will defeat team america, bunker.
go ahead. I'll wait.........

a mech heavy list is one way to build a list but it is not the best or only way to build an army.

SilentBob367 wrote:@Bunker
Team Tournament

Lol, no.


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skkipper wrote:thanks for the help on winning non-mech lists.
la hard boyz final won by demons. no transports there

Like I said, a big-scale tournament. Adepticon teams doesn't count.

put up your list that will defeat team america, bunker.
go ahead. I'll wait.........

Sorry, I don't play in tournaments that use their own rules.

Blackmoor won the Wildwest shootout last fall. 60+ players and 5 games over 2 days. He had one falcon, the lone vehicle that could be called a transport.

Bunker wrote:

Sorry, I don't play in tournaments that use their own rules.

really that is the best you can come up with? so basically your point is these lists are crap but you will not make a better list as you don't agree with the rules though you are completely able to make a list that will cause team america to concede before a die is thrown.

just want to make sure I see your point correctly

Hi

Why exactly wouldn't the Adepticon Team Tournament count?

Is it large enough?
110 teams or 440 players - check

Is it competitive?
Big Fish Players drawn out of their small ponds to play in a truly North American event. I certainly think so.

"did soft scores make up for poor play by the winners?" - While our soft scores were excellent, aside from the quiz, We did go 7-1-0 (W-T-L) and were first overall for generalship.

Cheers,
Nate

skkipper wrote:
really that is the best you can come up with?

Right. Because "AMG MAEK A LIST THET WILL BAET THEM"" is a super-strong argument.

0/10.


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carlosthecraven wrote:Hi

Why exactly wouldn't the Adepticon Team Tournament count?

Is it large enough?
110 teams or 440 players - check

Is it competitive?
Big Fish Players drawn out of their small ponds to play in a truly North American event. I certainly think so.

"did soft scores make up for poor play by the winners?" - While our soft scores were excellent, aside from the quiz, We did go 7-1-0 (W-T-L) and were first overall for generalship.

Cheers,
Nate

Players not playing in the big tournament =/= "big fish players".

It doesn't count because team format (much like the ETC format) is a gimmick

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/227900.page

your response should have been I don't play in gimmicky events any more.