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Blackmoor wrote:Everyone knows that each team is made up of 8 players.


What most people do not understand is that each team has to have 8 different armies in it. So you can have several people getting in playing Space Wolves, but then one one could play that army. That is the problem with a play in tournament, and not only that, but you have people switching to armies that they are unfamiliar with.

That is why I was wondering who is playing what army.

I am playing guard

We've been pretty good about splitting up armies based on what we are comfortable with. I'm playing Eldar as of now, but am willing to switch to any army as long as I can get the models. There are several of us on the team that are in that position.

On the subject of Sponsors I want to say that Battlefoam is sponsoring this year's team. They got our uniforms printed, and will be giving custom cut battlefoam bags to each team member to make sure our armies make it across the ocean intact.

Blackmoor wrote:Shaun Kemp: Unknown

Only thing I've seen Kemp go by online has been shaun

Only time I played him, I kicked his ass... (Or was it a tie...Can't remember...Both used severely watered down armies )

I believe Shaun has won a GT and he is a member of Da Boyz.

G

He's a member of Da Boyz...One of the few that is a decent person Not sure about his GT win, but I would believe it.

Edit for double post

I have met Shaun and found him to be a nice person.

G

Isn't that what I was saying? Heck, he's my insurance agent

I played against Shaun and DaBoyz in the final round of the TT. Bit of a mismatch vs. our mech guard and we got primary (but lost secondary and tertiary) but seems to be a great player and was a terrific guy to play against.

Skyth, I know you do not agree with there opinion's on comp, but it hardly seems fair to judge an entire group like that.

DaBobyz is scattered across the northeast, they are not all located in NY

RabidDuck wrote:Skyth, I know you do not agree with there opinion's on comp, but it hardly seems fair to judge an entire group like that.
DaBobyz is scattered across the northeast, they are not all located in NY

Agreed. Skyth, I know you've had some on-going issues with some of our guys, but it's not right to lump us all together like that in an O/T post.

Ozymandias wrote:I played against Shaun and DaBoyz in the final round of the TT. Bit of a mismatch vs. our mech guard and we got primary (but lost secondary and tertiary) but seems to be a great player and was a terrific guy to play against.

I was Shaun's teammate the final round of the TT. We did have a great game on our table against Dakka detachment 2.

Shaun, as wall as many of the other daboyz, have won or placed in multiple GTs. Eric Hobin, the first alternate for the ETC is also a daboyz member, albeit part of the Boston detachment.

Thanks jdubb! You guys were great to play against and your teammates on the next table gave the rest of DD2 a sound thrashing.

Da Boyz beat Platuan4th and my face!

We handed them that game like dumb dumbs. Oh well.

Good luck at the ETC! We are all rooting for you.

actually shaun has won 3 GT's he has more 1st place wins than anyone on the team

he represents the old guard quite well

stormboy97 wrote:actually shaun has won 3 GT's he has more 1st place wins than anyone on the team

he represents the old guard quite well

And where did this old chap come from?

Blackmoor,
I think I am playing Witch Hunters or Orks.
Everyone else:
Shaun is a great guy. We have Team America T-shirts. You can buy one and support Team America! Please Private message me if you are interested. They look badass.

Shaun won the Chicago GT four or five years ago with a Deamon bomb army.he beat me in game three. I ended up with four max wins and a max loss to Shaun. Damn him!!!! Just kidding, He is a great Guy, and a gracious opponent.

These are Team Americans lists by the way for the event that is rapidly approaching.
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United States of America
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Player : Ben "Space Curves " Mohlie

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Space Marines

Librarian : Neutral Zone, Avenger [100 ]

5 Assault Terminators : TH / SS [200 ]
Dreadnought : Multi - Melta , heavy flamer (10) [ 115]
Dreadnought : Multi - Melta , heavy flamer (10) [ 115]

Troop 1:
10 Marines, meltagun (5 ), multi - Melta free () , Sgt with Power fist ( 25) , combi - Melta (10) [ 210]

Troop 2:
10 Marines, flamer ( free), missile launcher (free ) [ 170]

Troop 3:
10 Marines, flamer ( free), missile launcher ( free), combi - flamer (10) [ 180]

Fast Attack 1:
Land Speeder : (50 ) heavy bolter ( free), typhoon missile launcher ( 40) [ 90]
Fast Attack 2 :
Land Speeder : (50 ) heavy bolter ( free), typhoon missile launcher ( 40) [ 90]

Heavy Support 1 :
Land Raider Redeemer : extra armor (15 ), Multi- Melta ( 10:00 ) [ 265]
Heavy Support 2 :
Thunder Fire Cannon : [ 100]

Transport 1 : Rhino [35 ]
Transport 2 : Rhazorback twin heavy Bolt [ 40]
Transport 3 : Rhazorback twin heavy Bolt [ 40]

Total : 1750
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Wyatt Traina " Paintraina "

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Orcs

HQ1 : warboss ( 60) Powerklaw ( 25) cybork Body ( 10) Warbike ( 40) [ 135]
HQ2 : warboss ( 60) Powerklaw ( 25) Body cybork ( 10) Boss Pole ( 5) [ 100]

Elite1 : Lootas (15 * 10) [ 150]

Troop 1: Meganobz (40 * 5) Combi Skorcha (5 * 2) [ 210]
Troop 2: Shoota Boyz (6 * 30) Nob ( 10) Powerklaw ( 25) Boss Pole ( 5) [ 220]
Troop 3: Shoota Boyz (6 * 30) Nob ( 10) Powerklaw ( 25) Boss Pole ( 5) [ 220]
Troop 4: Slugga Boyz (6 * 30) Nob ( 10) Powerklaw ( 25) Boss Pole ( 5) [ 220]
Troop 5: Gretchin (3 * 10) Runtherd (10) [ 40]

FA1 : Warbikers (25 * 12) Nob ( 10) Powerklaw ( 25) Boss Pole ( 5) [ 340]

HS 1: Kannon (20 * 3) Ammo runts (3 * 3 ) Runtherd (10) [ 79]

Transport1 : Trukk [35 ]

Total : 1749

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PLAYER : The Mike Mutscheller

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Chaos Space Marines

HQ1 : Chaos Sorcerer ( 100 marks ) Of Slaanesh ( 5) Lash of Submission ( 20) Wings ( 20) = [145 ]
HQ2 : Chaos Sorcerer ( 100 marks ) Of Slaanesh ( 5) Lash of Submission ( 20) Wings ( 20) = [145 ]

Troop 1: Berserker (21 * 8) Champion ( 15) Powerfist (25 ) = [ 208]
Troop 2 : Noise Marines (20 * 12) Sonic Blaster ( 11 * 5) = [295 ]
Troop 3: Noise Marines (20 * 11) Sonic Blaster ( 10 * 5) = [ 270]

Heavy Support 1 : Land Raider (220 ) Extra Armor ( 15) = [235 ]
Heavy Support 2: Obliterator (75 * 3) = [225 ]
Heavy Support 3 : Obliterator (75 * 3) = [225 ]

Total : 1748

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Player : Paul Miglino

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Blood Angels

HQ1 : Librarian (100 ) Jump Pack ( 25) Blood Lance ( 0) Fear of Darkness ( 0) [ 125]

Troop 1: 5 Man Assault Squad } {No Jump Packs ( 100) Melta (10) [ 110]
Troop 2: 5 Man Assault Squad } {No Jump Packs ( 100) Melta (10) [ 110]
Troop 3: 5 Man Assault Squad } {No Jump Packs ( 100) Melta (10) [ 110]
Troop 4: 5 Man Assault Squad } {No Jump Packs ( 100) Melta (10) [ 110]
Troop 5: 5 Man Assault Squad } {No Jump Packs ( 100) Flamer ( 5) [ 105]

Fast Attack 1: Land Speeder (50 ) Multi - Melta ( 10) Typhoon Missile Launcher ( 40) [ 100]
2 Fast Attack : Land Speeder (50 ) Multi - Melta ( 10) Typhoon Missile Launcher ( 40) [ 100]
Fast Attack 3: Land Speeder (50 ) Multi - Melta ( 10) Typhoon Missile Launcher ( 40) [ 100]

Heavy Support 1 : Vindicator (145) Hunter Killer Missile ( 10) Dozer Blades ( 5) [ 160]
Heavy Support 2 : Vindicator (145 ) Hunter Killer Missile ( 10) Dozer Blades ( 5) [ 160]
Heavy Support 3 : Vindicator (145 ) Hunter Killer Missile ( 10) Dozer Blades ( 5) [ 160]

Transport 1 : Razor Back ( 20) Twin -Linked Lascannon and plasma ( 35) Dozer Blades ( 5) [ 60]
Transport 2 : Razor Back ( 20) Lascannon and Twin -Linked Plasma ( 35) Dozer Blades ( 5) [ 60]
Transport 3 : Razor Back ( 20) Lascannon and Twin -Linked Plasma ( 35) Dozer Blades ( 5) [ 60]
Transport 4: Razor Back ( 20) Lascannon and Twin -Linked Plasma ( 35) Dozer Blades ( 5) [ 60]
Transport 5: Razor Back ( 20) Lascannon and Twin -linked Plasma ( 35) Dozer Blades ( 5) [ 60]

Total : 1750
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Player : Shaun Kemp

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Tyranids

HQ 1 - Tervigon ( 160) toxin sacs ( 10) adrenal glands ( 10) and catalyst ( 15) = [195 ]
HQ 2 - Tervigon ( 160) toxin sacs ( 10) adrenal glands ( 10) and catalyst ( 15) = [195 ]

Elite 1 - hive guard ( 50 * 3) = [150 ]
Elite 2 - hive guard ( 50 * 3) = [150 ]

Troop 1 - Tervigon ( 160) toxin sacs ( 10) adrenal glands ( 10) and catalyst ( 15) = [195 ]
Troop 2 - Tervigon ( 160) toxin sacs ( 10) adrenal glands ( 10) and catalyst ( 15) = [195 ]
Troop 3 - termagaunts (5 * 10) = [50 ]
Troop 4 - termagaunts (5 * 10) = [ 50],

Heavy 1 - Mawloc (170 ) = [ 170]
Heavy 2 - Trygon (200 ) = [ 200]
Heavy 3 - Trygon (200 ) = [ 200]

Total : 1750
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PLAYER : Greg Sparks ' Inquisitor_Malice '

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Eldar

HQ1 : avatar ( 155) = [ 155]
HQ2 : Farseer ( 55) Runes of Warding ( 15) Runes of Witnessing ( 10) Spirit Stones ( 20) Doom (25 ) Fortune ( 30) Guide ( 20) = [175 ]

Troop 1: Wraithguard (35 * 10) Warlock ( 25) Spiritseer ( 6) Conceal ( 15) = [396 ]
Troop 2 : Dire Avengers (12 * 9) = [108 ]
Troop 3: Dire Avengers (12 * 10) = [120 ]
Troop 4: Eldar Jetbike (22 * 3) Shuriken Cannon ( 10) Warlock ( 45) Singing Spear ( 3 ) Destructor ( 10) = [134 ]

Fast Attack 1: Warp Spiders (22 * 9) Exarch (12 ) Power Blades ( 10) Death Spinner x2 ( 5) Withdraw ( 15) = [240 ]

Heavy Support 1 : Wraithlord ( 1990 ) Scatter Laser ( 20) Wraithsword ( 10) Flamers (0 * 2 ), = [ 120]
Heavy Support 2 : Wraithlord ( 1990 ) Scatter Laser ( 20) Wraithsword ( 10) Flamers (0 * 2) = [120 ]
Heavy Support 3 : War Walkers (30 * 3 ) Scatter Later ( 15 * 6) = [180 ]

Total : 1748
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PLAYER: Jon " The Man " Willingham

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Space Wolves

HQ1 : Rune Preist : Jaws of the World Wolf, Murderous Hurricane = [ 100]

Elite 1 : Wolf Guard ( 18 * 8) Combi Melta (5 * 4) Combi- plasma ( 5 * 5) = [189 ]
Elite 2 : Wolg Guard ( 18 * 5) Terminator Armor (15 * 5) Chain Fist (15 * 5) Combi Melta (5 * 5) = [265 ]

Troop 1: Grey Hunters ( 15 * 8) Melta Gun ( 5) = [125 ]
Troop 2: Grey Hunters (15 * 7) Melta Gun ( 5) = [110 ]
Troop 3: Grey Hunters (15 * 7) Melta Gun ( 5) = [110 ]
Troop 4: Grey Hunters (15 * 7) Melta Gun ( 5) = [110 ]
Troop 5: Grey Hunters (15 * 7) Melta Gun ( 5) = [110 ]

Heavy Support 1 : Long Fangs (15 * 6) Missile Launchers ( 10 * 5) = [140 ]
Heavy Support 2 : Long Fangs (15 * 6) Missile Launchers ( 10 * 5) = [140 ]
Heavy Support 3 : Long Fangs (15 * 6) Missile Launchers ( 10 * 5) = [140 ]

Transport 1 : Drop Pod = [ 35]
2 Transport : Drop Pod = [ 35]
3 Transport : Drop Pod = [ 35]
4 Transport : Drop Pod = [ 35]
Transport 5 : Drop Pod = [ 35]
6 Transport : Drop Pod = [ 35]

Total : [ 1749 ]
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Player : Nick " Darkwynn "Rose

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Imperial Guard

HQ 1 : Squad Command ( 50) Powerfist (15 ) plasma pistol ( 10) Medic (30 ) Plasma Guns x3 ( 45)
Carapace Armor for squad ( 20) = [170 ] (has a transport )

Elite 1 : Psyk battle squad (60 ) + 5 Psyk (50 ) = [ 110] (has tranport 2 )

Troops 1 : Veteran Squad
Veteran squad : (70 ) Melta Guns x3 ( 30) = [100 ] (has three transport )

Troops 2 : Veteran Squad
Veteran squad : (70 ) Melta Guns x3 ( 30) = [100 ] (has transport 4 )

Troop 3: Infantry Platoon

Platoon Command : (30) Flamers x4 ( 20) = [ 50] ( transport has 5)

Infantry Squad: flamer ( 5) = [55 ]
Infantry Squad : = [ 50]

Fast Attack 1:
Vendetta : 3 twin -linked lascannons [130 ]

Fast Attack 2 :
Vendetta : 3 twin -linked lascannons [130 ]

Heavy Support 1 : Ordinance Battery
Medusa: Medusa siege cannon , heavy bolter [135 ]
Medusa: Medusa siege cannon , heavy bolter [135 ]

Heavy Support 2 : Hydra Flak Tank Battery
Hydra Tank: 2 twin linked hydra auto cannons , heavy bolters [75 ]
Hydra Tank: 2 twin linked hydra auto cannons , heavy bolters [75 ]

Heavy Support 3 :
Manticore : Storm Eagle Rockets , Heavy Bolter [160 ]

Transport:
Transport 1 : Chimera : Multi - laser and heavy flamer [55 ]
Transport 2 : Chimera : Multi - laser and heavy flamer [55 ]
Transport 3 : Chimera : Multi - laser and heavy flamer [55 ]
Transport 4 : Chimera : multi-laser -and heavy flamer [55 ]
Transport 5 : Chimera : Multi - laser and heavy flamer [55 ]

Total : 1750
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All the other countries lists have also been revealed.

What do people think of Americas' lists?

So first thing I have to say is everything written below doesn't take into account special comp rules for the event as I don't presonally know them. Just my thoughts on the competitiveness of the lists in general.

Not a fan of the Ork, Eldar, or Nid lists. The podding wolf list is iffy to me as well but it could play out. The psychic powers on the BA libby should have included shield of sanguinius unless it's been ruled that it doesn't give vehicles cover saves.

Otherwise I like the BA force and the guard force quite a bit. I'm also digging the SM list the more I look at it. Also why Chaos? It's an ok list for the codex but it wouldn't be my first choice for another army. Not with Daemons and Sisters out there.

I'm assuming no SC's were allowed by the lack of them.

Couple of questions:

How does InqMalice intend to kill AV13-14 at range? He has a single unit that can shoot at AV13-14 from more than 18" (24" Singing Spear).

Same question w/AV14 for the orks. Only 2 St10 weapons that need to roll to hit aren't so hot. He also should have split the lootas into 3x5 man units to hit more targets.

I think the SW player overloaded on Chainfists but that could be personal preference.

Tyrannid should have split the HG into 3x2 Guard units instead of 2x3 Guard units. Also Adrenal Glands on the Trygons would have helped.

Just my thoughts. Hope no one takes offense

Yeah....I've got an eyebrow raised about some things in those lists too.

My orks would like to see those Orks across the table. ><

Look who posted the lists. They are trying to get other "americans" to break down the lists and point out the weakness of each list. Who is better at breaking down and showing holes in the lists better then us. He should be doing his own homework, not trying to trick us in doing it for him. You noticed he did not post his own lists. I would be very interested in see all the lists.

Jay_Daboyz wrote:Look who posted the lists. They are trying to get other "americans" to break down the lists and point out the weakness of each list. Who is better at breaking down and showing holes in the lists better then us. He should be doing his own homework, not trying to trick us in doing it for him. You noticed he did not post his own lists. I would be very interested in see all the lists.

Hrm.....very true.

I'd say this:

1. If a competitive tournament player can look at those lists and not blink, they need help. I don't know if that was JPR's intent (getting help) but if team Europe can't dissect those lists in a heartbeat and figure out their weaknesses, they have issues.

2. If Team America whips up the competition in the ETC with THAT collection of lists, I'm going to lose all respect for those across the pond.

3. Why does the ETC have the American lists? Why are they being posted publicly ahead of time?

Hulksmash wrote:How does InqMalice intend to kill AV13-14 at range? He has a single unit that can shoot at AV13-14 from more than 18" (24" Singing Spear).

Rending Avenger Shuriken Catapults of course!!!

Inquisitor_Malice wrote:Rending Avenger Shuriken Catapults of course!!!

An excellent strategy!

I for one fully plan on deep striking my pods on opposite ends of the table, so as to let all my opponents concentrate on small portions of my army with out any threat of retaliation!

Inquisitor_Malice wrote:
Rending Avenger Shuriken Catapults of course!!!

It is true, Greg's rending shurikens are a cornerstone of our strategy!!11!

All I'll say about this topic is that all lists are known to all team captains at the moment, and they will be posted in the public ETC forum sometime soon. Why someone felt the need to post our lists here ahead of time, I couldn't say, but they haven't been secret since July 4th.

As for the armchair analysis, keep a few things in mind while looking at them, the unique format of the tournament, and the fact that no special characters are allowed.

Team America is looking forward to the first 40k world championship!

Spacecurves wrote:Team America is looking forward to the first 40k world championship!

I shouldn't call my captain out... But I will. What he should have said was.

America is looking forward to winning the first 40k world championships.

I'm sure he just forgot that part.

Yes there will be fewer armor 14 vehicles than most people realise since you have to have 8 different codex's on a team. No Mephiston, no Logan, no Eldrad, no Fateweaver, etc.... starts to limit the net decks. Also remember that these guys are best off playing the lists they are most familiar with or at least close to those lists. Gregg and Mike have run versions of their lists for a while as I remember. That familiarity is invaluable to a player.

As an aside, I love the SM list. I've played a version of that for a long time and it works wonders.

Could you explain the unique format other than that no SC's are allowed and that all team members must use a different codex?

Like I stated. My comments were based upon a pure competitive aspect and didn't take into account anything other than what I've listed above. Is there something I'm missing about the format?

As for their being less AV14 due to different codexes remember that there are no less than 6 (not counting Necrons or DA's) codexes that can take AV14. Now the rest of the lists may be known and you might feel better about your choices because you see you where right in not worrying about them but in a vacuum not taking AV14 into consideration is a mistake.

Don't dink some people's thoughts on your lists. We're not saying you guys are gonna play them poorly which you seem to have taken as an assumption. You have to know people are going to be watching. I'm not saying you guys aren't good with your lists or can't make them work. It's just other than a few of the lists there I wouldn't consider bringing due to them not being as versatile as I prefer my tourney lists to be.

**Edited**

After reading the format for how games are set up I can see how some of the lists could work. As long as you don't put IM forward first and are allowed to place him and the ork player you should be fine.

Nothing sinister intended here, just thought since this is a primarily US site that other Americans would like to see what your team is bringing.

All the lists from all the teams are already avaliable, I'm sure they will all be posted publically like last year soon.

Definately looking forward to seeing the US guys in action, should be a good 'un :-)