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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 16:55:30
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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BrassScorpion wrote:Anything's possible, but since Grey Knights is going to be a major release with both a new Codex and models, why would GW pull focus away from that by releasing it the same month as some randomly updated Daemon models? GW is careful not to compete with itself by releasing too much stuff at once. In spite of what some people think, it's pretty clear from their staggered releases that they understand that their customers only have so much money they'll spend in a single month and that if you release too much stuff at once some of it will sit on the shelf and the excitement over it will be lost.
The only issue I see with this theory is that it assumes GW looks at their market in a "One customer one wallet" market as opposed to a "Customer A wants new A and Customer B wants new B" I think the biggest thing they noticed with the launch of Apocalypse was that the "Catering to one market at one time (almost with a 6 month lapse)" strategy is not necessarily the best of ideas. I think AOBR showed them that Duel Markets exist and thrive. People were purchasing the sets to fill both their Space Marine lists AND their ork lists, and buying accompaning models accordingly... If you look at the past few codex releases, random other armies also got new things almost side-by-side.
10 days before BA got their new codex, IG got new vehicle boxes.
Nids and Lost and the Damned were a similar story
IIRC it was either IG or SW that had some new ork kits come with them. That formula worked for them, in record quantities.
To assume that they would expand on that formula and release large batches of the "New models old army" (Especially for an army that can fill either of their two flagship games) as well as start duel launching codexes is to follow an intelligent buisness plan that will most likely succeed. Having these three launch simul will not necessarily deter people from buying them. The only people it would are people who run multiple armies, which are typically people (like myself) with the disposable income to drop on two armies. A single army player is a single army player. If they don't play GK, they won't buy GK, same with DE and double so with CD. Now if someone were to want to TRY a new army, I for one would believe they would be more inclined with more choices instead of " GK are the only New Hotness, if you don't like GK (Or MEQ in general) too bad, we at GW won't want your money for another 6 months, then a new GEQ will be out and we will expect you to budget for the next 6 months, even though this next Q3 is supposed to be one of the biggest video-game (our biggest competitor) seasons of the decade" I don't think GW thinks this way, I see them targeting GEQ and MEQ players at the same time from now on, to encourage more profit and hook their players in early as opposed to after they have dropped 500$ on an Xbox 360 Elite and the next biggest Halo/ CoD/ GH/ RB/WiiGame/FFMMO/WoWExpansion/STARCRAFT2 (all of which are expected releases this year).
May's Battlehosts and the two sets for Orc and Goblins are both relatively small releases both in number of items and in likely overall sales so it made sense to stagger them two weeks apart to keep cash flow going in May, but the Daemons release is probably (and hopefully) considerably larger both in number of items and in the fact that it is useful in both of their major core Warhammer game systems. I would find it suprising if GW had the Daemon release and the Grey Knights release share a release month.
Again, I see August being more of a target month then may. August is when kids have their parents money, and the money they made over the summer. The college market have their extra FA money and the Travel industry's fade out will have fueled most economies to hopefully keep the shipping costs down and the model sales up. (Daddy saved 2k for not going to disney, makes buying Bobby a 200$ hobby game much more realistic. And god willing, there will be no more volcanoes)
I am looking forward to this Summer, hopefully June will set in stone the direction GW plans on taking both 40k and Fantasy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 16:55:49
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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I'd be curious as to how well Demons sell with 40k players. Espcially since the separate Codex and 5th edition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 17:08:14
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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glon52 wrote:I'd be curious as to how well Demons sell with 40k players. Espcially since the separate Codex and 5th edition.
Daemons in 40k are not selling well and new miniatures will not change this.
They need a playable codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 17:09:37
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Wuestenfux - that is pretty much what I thought.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 17:15:41
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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I'm disappointed in their choice of release, because I was hoping for Tomb Kings. I was just saying 2 days ago, how its about time for them to announce the next release. How I wish they hadn't...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 17:22:44
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Releasing a range of new miniatures of an army without a codex or army book?
Is this a new policy of GW?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 17:29:29
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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It seems to go Model wave, Book/Codex w/Models, and then model wave again. It has done this for a while. Which is good. It's allowing them to flush out armies with plastic and keeping more steady sales. It also helps keep people into their army since the aren't only seeing new models ever 10 years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 17:29:41
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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We've got just as many Daemon players in my area as we have Eldar players, more than Tau players, so to me they play well enough. Though my Daemons are made from plastic Vampire Counts figs rather than the metal Daemons, so I know at least in that case new plastic figs could really help the army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 17:51:34
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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glon52 wrote:I'd be curious as to how well Demons sell with 40k players. Espcially since the separate Codex and 5th edition.
The 40k Codex isn't nearly as broken as the WFB Army Book. I'm sure Daemons sell just fine, and many cross over, as they're the same models as in WFB.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 18:30:36
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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40K Daemons still hold their own competitively. See the 'ard boyz threads. Several locations had daemons finish the prelims in the top 3.
The codex is actually quite powerful if used right. Not WFB broken powerful but it's not a whipping boy either. Plastic plaguebearers would be very nice to add to my army. I was going to do just nurgle/slaanesh but depending on the look of the horrors and if crushers do indeed end up in plastic I might go mixed again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 18:41:43
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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The 40k Daemons arent bad, but they are terribly simple. They all get Eternal Warrior, Invulnerables, Deepstrike, and fearless and then a huge lack of specialize rules and unit variation. Very few good shooting weapons when considering cost and usage. But if new cheaper plastic models are made i could definitely see more people playing daemons as the book isnt broken and all the rules are up to date, which never hurts. My greatest hope is that they make more variations of the Daemon Prince. If they could make an awesome tzeentch and slaaneesh one that would be where all my money goes to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 18:58:44
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Fateweaver wrote:40K Daemons still hold their own competitively.
The codex is actually quite powerful if used right. Not WFB broken powerful but it's not a whipping boy either.
I said the Codex isn't as broken as the Army Book. That's not a knock on them, but a recognition that DoC is very strong whereas C: D isn't game-breaking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 20:27:46
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Daemons in WFB are absolutely BRUTAL - especially Nurgle.
I've seen some nasty lists in action using that book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 21:14:43
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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I have mine biult to play both games, but so far only 40k and the army is all hit or miss, one game total awesomesauce the next total fail.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 21:25:47
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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wuestenfux wrote:Daemons in 40k are not selling well and new miniatures will not change this.
They need a playable codex. 
They needed to not be separated out from Chaos Marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 21:35:40
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:They needed to not be separated out from Chaos Marines.
QFT
H.B.M.C. wrote:They needed to not be separated out from Chaos Marines.
TWICE.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 21:38:06
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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wuestenfux wrote:
Daemons in 40k are not selling well and new miniatures will not change this.
..really ? Are you sure ? Everything I've ever heard about demon sales in 40K has more than justified them getting their own codex.
There won't be any new WFB armies, astonishingly enough, until the new rules are out.
I don't think Grey Knights are this year, still, and I do still think Dark Eldar are the next codex.
I'm incredibly dubious about plastic Bloodcrushers as well. I would love to be wrong here though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 21:42:17
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:wuestenfux wrote:Daemons in 40k are not selling well and new miniatures will not change this.
They need a playable codex. 
They needed to not be separated out from Chaos Marines.
Yes, because so many CSM armies were made up of mostly CSM's. Oh wait. They weren't. Here is my 1 CSM squad and my 5 squads of Bloodletters. Umm, how is that CSM's again.
I'm glad Daemons got their own codex and I hope if/when GW do Legion codeciies that ONLY CSM's are present but if Daemons exist they are the same daemons as current (although I guess +1T, +1S, +1 I and 4+ Inv. save for Nurgle, khorne, slaan and tzeentch lessers would be alright).
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“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 21:49:13
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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I'm on record saying I'd be more interested in a more expansive Daemonworld approach with mutants, etc. I realize it'd defeat the purpose of the double sale for GW and that it would be a less focused codex. But TBH the current codex just seems a little too focused and limited and puts me to sleep every time I start to tinker with list building. Mind you, I've had interesting games against daemons, and I know listbuilding excitement shouldn't be a factor, but it really does bore me to tears.
Anyway, I think the Horrors returning to the old look will probably be enough to ensure I don't give Daemons a financial commitment until at least their next codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 21:53:27
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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gorgon wrote:Anyway, I think the Horrors returning to the old look will probably be enough to ensure I don't give Daemons a financial commitment until at least their next codex.
Is that confirmed, or speculation? I never liked the giant hand waving goofballs of previous editions. I kind of hope its confirmed though, since I just stocked up on Horrors.
As for plastic Bloodcrushers... I can't say that it's likely or unlikely since GW seems to have thrown a wrench in the whole " GKs are coming out next" line of thought that we had going on here. Maybe they'll just rebox them and charge the same amount as VC Blood Knights
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 21:53:36
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hmm. To each his/her own. I enjoy making lists with Daemons. The one that bores me to tears is SM's. BA is fun to list build, as are Tyranids. 3.5 CSM codex bored me to tears as well (especially considering it ruined 80% of my army, thankfully rectified by the most current codex).
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 22:02:01
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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anticitizen013 wrote:gorgon wrote:Anyway, I think the Horrors returning to the old look will probably be enough to ensure I don't give Daemons a financial commitment until at least their next codex.
Is that confirmed, or speculation? I never liked the giant hand waving goofballs of previous editions. I kind of hope its confirmed though, since I just stocked up on Horrors.
I'm just speculating, but I'm assuming that based on Hastings' comment over on Warseer.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Fateweaver wrote:Hmm. To each his/her own. I enjoy making lists with Daemons. The one that bores me to tears is SM's.
Really? See, I even like SM better. I can at least tinker more and do some different playstyles with SM.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 22:06:00
Subject: Re:So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Here is the story I heard about why the old seekers were discontinued, right as a new codex to sell them came out... I cannot speak to the veracity of this story, but it makes good telling.
So, GW is well known for being a bit righteous when it comes to enforcing their IP. Turns out that they're not alone in this regard. The story I heard is that the sleek looking seeker was somewhat similar to a model that was released by another company, possibly Reaper. Reaper pressed the matter in court, and GWs lawyers dragged it out as long as they could, selling what stock they had, but eventually had a losing battle on their hands, and so had to give up the old, very cool seekers. This explains why they can't be sold as collectors line pieces too...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 22:08:46
Subject: Re:So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Personally i think this is great it will give ma a chance to hopefully expand on my army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 22:43:15
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Fateweaver wrote:Yes, because so many CSM armies were made up of mostly CSM's. Oh wait. They weren't. Here is my 1 CSM squad and my 5 squads of Bloodletters. Umm, how is that CSM's again. I'm sorry Fate, but what the holy flying feth are you blithering about now? Did you even finish that thought in your head before you vomited out on your keyboard? Honestly, I'm having a hard time working out just what point you were trying to make. Do you even know? Or is your irrational hatred of me now just causing you to mash your keyboard whenever you see a post of mine in the hope that maybe once in a while a coherent thought will form? What is it then? Fateweaver wrote:To each his/her own. Unless it's me, of course.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 22:52:59
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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You pointed out that Daemons did not need to be separate from CSM codex.
I pointed out how well (actually how not so well) that worked.
I don't hate you H as I don't know you but you do rank higher than Shuma. I tolerate you more than him.
The 3.5 codex was lame with it's daemons. It should have been a separate list, ala the 2nd edition CSM codex or did what they did with the CURRENT daemons. Word Bearers players abused the daemons being better than CSM's in most regards so you saw gak like 1 CSM squad and 7 Bloodletter/Daemonette packs.
This is derailing the thread. Just pointing out why your statement about not needing a separate codex is absurd. We get it. You hate the Daemon codex for some reason.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 23:09:48
Subject: So it would seem Daemons are next after all! August = Daemons for 40K and Warhammer.
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Fateweaver wrote:You hate the Daemon codex because Daemons belong in the Chaos Space Marine Book and there was no purpose in seperating them.
Fixed that for you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 23:20:22
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Saw this on the games workshop website in their daemons announcement and saw the new daemon prince hiding in the corner
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=8800001a
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 23:21:39
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I dont see any new demon...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 23:23:29
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isnt the winged guy on the left corner the new one? boned if i'm wrong. thought it was new
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