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Yes, they'll be pushing forward. Just like that land raider might be pushing forward, but a few lascannon shots and it's down.

It's easier said than done, yes, but it makes strategizing much easier. "Shoot the frakkers down before they get to you!"

Melissia wrote:Yes, they'll be pushing forward. Just like that land raider might be pushing forward, but a few lascannon shots and it's down.

It's easier said than done, yes, but it makes strategizing much easier. "Shoot the frakkers down before they get to you!"

True, I just think you're oversimplifying it a little. I mean, we're not talking about blowing up Rhinos here, after all. Otherwise, yes, your best chance is to try and stop the SM reaching you, or if that fails, hope your broadsides can cripple them before they kill you.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Your knowledge is humbling, however I am not working from novels of 40k. I am working through the BFG rules and my experience with the game. In the game you can sometimes find that 6 Sword class frigates are just useful as a Retribution Cruiser in the right place. It's about outmanuevering your opponent rather than just sheer firepower (although it bloody well helps!). That said, I was humbly surprised by the relative moderation in SM fleets, other than their boarding values there was very little to give evidence to the obvious hard on for Space Marines that is present in 40k all too often.

Cheers for clearing that up. I bought the BFG rulebook a while back, but still haven't got round to it. I'd like to try out BFG, but my LGW manager is against peoples playing it in his stores. It's a shame really, because the manager before him let everyone to Specialist games in his store, and alot more people chilled there back then, and I was slowly grasping BFG. Oh well :/

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

karimabuseer wrote:Nova cannons are awesome in Dark creed

That a book 'bout giant spaceships fighting in space?

Mainly word bearers friking up planets, but there are several fleet actions described in the book, the coolest one being when a dark apostle uses his warp blessings to make two ships appear in the same space after warp-translation, destroying one of the ships in the process (the other two ships apostles are good friends, and represent a threat). Just that heir nova cannon blows up sooo much stuff


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The necron ship I mentioned earlier was a necron cairn tombship

Melissia wrote:Which means that all they need to do is focus-fire on the battle-barges (an SM chapter can only ever have three) and keep them out of the picture, the navy can then mop up the strike cruisers afterwards.

You talk like this is easy to accomplish.

You might wanna check your facts and as the Black Templars and the Dark Angels how many battle barges they have (specially Black Templars)

Those that break the codex astartes would have more, yes, but they would still rely more on strike cruisers than battle barges (strike cruisers can carry a full company, and I can easily see each chapter having one per company).

1 on 1 space marine vessels are better. The primary design is to breach the line of an entire fleet plus weather planetary defenses. Bombard the planet while under heavy fire from everyone and deliver its payload of space marines then withdrawl. Such an action happens everyday in the galaxy and the battlebarges come out fairly unscathed.

Trust me when Guilliman separated everything he made sure the Astartes had the best ships.

Except of course that they don't... they have the best ships for the ASTARTES. Not the best ships for the navy.

Melissia wrote:an SM chapter can only ever have three

Actually, in Battlefleet Gothic it says, 'Most Space Marine Chapters control two or three battle barges.' There is a 0-3 limit for gaming purposes, one battle barge per thousand points or part thereof in the Codex Army list section but in the other lists it is possible to have up to eight battle barges. As it stands, two or three is the average amount so come chapters could have less and some could have more.

Melissia wrote:Except of course that they don't... they have the best ships for the ASTARTES. Not the best ships for the navy.

Except of course that they do. Just read the BFG rulebooks.

I have seen them. They aren't the best ships overall, they're the best ships for the purposes that the Astartes need ships.

Melissia is right here. They can be fecking awesome if used right. But that's the same for everything. Unless it's a Retribution. Which is just fecking awesome anyway.

@karimbuseer: I didn't realise that I called it a Retribution Cruiser. Oh the shame!

Melissia wrote:Except of course that they don't... they have the best ships for the ASTARTES. Not the best ships for the navy.

Actually, I'd have to agree with this. I think I said before that they were designed for different purposes, and the Imperial Navy doesn't need it's ships to drop Astartes off at battlezones. Likewise, the Astartes don't want their vessels hanging around getting shot at by twice their number in enemies waiting for the Brother-Captain to call up and say "Ok, job done, let's get going."

They were designed for different purposes. The Astartes weren't meant to stand up to another fleet in a straight out Naval battle. The Imperial Navy were.

Emperors Faithful wrote:They were designed for different purposes. The Astartes weren't meant to stand up to another fleet in a straight out Naval battle. The Imperial Navy were.

Exactly so.
Glad we agree on this, I'm getting too confused by this all. What was the original topic?

We had an original topic?

The original topic was something about the inquisition I think. But then SPACE SHIPS got involved.

And everyone loves space ships, right?

I too agree with Melissa.

The populace is aware that space marines exist, but they don't know anything about them, & what they do know is propaganda & hyperbole.

In one of the SW novels, the space wolves show up on a world that Leman Russ once saved & find art depicting themselves with wolf features & blue skin.

Edit: oops, looks like we've moved on. I only read the first three pages. Ill go back to dozing in the corner.

somecallmeJack wrote:I too agree with Melissa.

The populace is aware that space marines exist, but they don't know anything about them, & what they do know is propaganda & hyperbole.

In one of the SW novels, the space wolves show up on a world that Leman Russ once saved & find art depicting themselves with wolf features & blue skin.

Edit: oops, looks like we've moved on. I only read the first three pages. Ill go back to dozing in the corner.

Naw, it's cool.
As a side note, I personally don't take anything William King writes as canon, as he often doesn't know what he's writing about.

Fluff Heirarchy:

Big Red Book > Codexes > Black Library >> Fanfic >>>>>>> C.S. Goto


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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:And everyone loves space ships, right?

Actually I'm not sure the BRB is a very reliable source compared to the codices. Because there are six major Orders Militant of the Adepta Sororitas, but the BRB says there's only three (which is very WTF and stupid).

Emperors Faithful wrote:Fluff Heirarchy:

Big Red Book > Codexes > Black Library >> Fanfic >>>>>>> C.S. Goto

Goto?!
Get him out of here! He's ruined one too many BL novels!

-attributed to Rick Priestley after asking who wrote the original DoW books.

so nice to see we're sticking to the topic. Mind you this current thing goin on is pretty good =]

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:And everyone loves space ships, right?

Hummm...space chips