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Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:It's Codex: Space Marines, not Codex: Ultramarines. Though from reading the codex you can hardly tell this fact.

I think you should re-read the codex then.

I've seen less accurate posts... But not many.

C:SM, pg127, "This army list is based first and foremost around the Ultramarines[...]"

Balance wrote:

Rube wrote:Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.

This is how the Codex writing works, though. Every army is 'featured' and the best at what they do (waiting for Codex; Wolverine) in their own book. I would almost be surprised if they weren't

Oh, I agree with you, but that's not what's happening here.

The problem is that they aren't portrayed as the best at what they do (discipline, order, painting their armor a naff shade of blue), they're portrayed at being the best at everything. Why do they have "the most powerful psyker in the Imperium" (C:SM, pg86) for example? How are they the "best Space Marines ever"?
Is it necessary to say that "all Space Marine chapters want to be like the Ultramarines", or that they are "the greatest [Space Marines] of them all"?

Those statements aren't saying that the Ultramarines are best at what they do, they're saying that the Ultramarines are just the best.

Rube wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:It's Codex: Space Marines, not Codex: Ultramarines. Though from reading the codex you can hardly tell this fact.

I think you should re-read the codex then.

I've seen less accurate posts... But not many.

C:SM, pg127, "This army list is based first and foremost around the Ultramarines[...]"

Balance wrote:

Rube wrote:Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.

This is how the Codex writing works, though. Every army is 'featured' and the best at what they do (waiting for Codex; Wolverine) in their own book. I would almost be surprised if they weren't

Oh, I agree with you, but that's not what's happening here.

The problem is that they aren't portrayed as the best at what they do (discipline, order, painting their armor a naff shade of blue), they're portrayed at being the best at everything. Why do they have "the most powerful psyker in the Imperium" (C:SM, pg86) for example? How are they the "best Space Marines ever"?
Is it necessary to say that "all Space Marine chapters want to be like the Ultramarines", or that they are "the greatest [Space Marines] of them all"?

Those statements aren't saying that the Ultramarines are best at what they do, they're saying that the Ultramarines are just the best.

To be fair, we saw a similar vein of fluff writing sneaking into the new Blood Angels codex. Who wrote them? If it was the same person, then we know where it's going wrong.

My point is other books will generally contradict these. Sure, Space Mairnes might have the best psykers, but is the Shadow in the Warp even considered? Or the forces of Tzeentch?

40k's writing style is extremely hyperbolic. That's not totally a bad thing, it's just the way it is.

@Rube:

What you quoted was one facet of the many silly and wildly innaccurate claims being made. I know that the Codex says that. It's one reason why I think Ultramarine emo angst is hysterical.

Wost teaser ever, the point is to generate Hype so making me fill in a freakin form and read an email first pisses me off right away!

no action, BORING

Keldon_Uk wrote:Wost teaser ever, the point is to generate Hype so making me fill in a freakin form and read an email first pisses me off right away!

no action, BORING

Clearly you didn't read the several large posts indicating that teasers rarely if ever contain action. I suggest you do so.

Take it easy guys it could be worse...



Watch out for codex: Rainbow Warriors! Not coming soon.

^^^^^

Wins the Thread.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:To be fair, we saw a similar vein of fluff writing sneaking into the new Blood Angels codex. Who wrote them? If it was the same person, then we know where it's going wrong.

Yup, they were both written by Matt Ward.

I would share my opinion of Matt Ward here, but I couldn't without breaking the Dakka posting rules. And the Geneva Convention.

The teaser was the work of the Devil, Ultramarines ran over my cat and GW kicked my dog! Rabble rabble rabble!

^^^

Wins this thread more

You know who I hate even more than the Ultramarines? People who post in this thread with "...take it easy guys..." or "....what did you expect...."

The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.

countchocula86 wrote:The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.

Someone said that it should be?

Orlanth wrote:After these reviews I am not registering, it will be on YouTube soon.

I will laugh if Damnatus is better.

Is Damnatus even still in production? I thought it was canceled. I mean its been fething forever.

Toeko wrote:

Orlanth wrote:After these reviews I am not registering, it will be on YouTube soon.

I will laugh if Damnatus is better.

Is Damnatus even still in production? I thought it was canceled. I mean its been fething forever.

They finished it and GW clamped down on them before they could distribute it.

Spooky voice-over and crappy CGI of a raisin head? I'm positively titillated.

Damnatus was alright.

Anyone remember the teaser to Avatar? They only showed a distant view of a planet and said they would take us there or something.

Avatar was a good movie, but really just had a silly ending. Anyone can see what happens immediately after the credits roll: the mercenaries go home, make up a sob story about the savage natives, the Colonel gets a post-mortem Medal of Honor, the Earth Navy mobilizes and napalms the planet bare from orbit, and then strip-mine that bitch.

Platuan4th wrote:

Toeko wrote:

Orlanth wrote:After these reviews I am not registering, it will be on YouTube soon.

I will laugh if Damnatus is better.

Is Damnatus even still in production? I thought it was canceled. I mean its been fething forever.

They finished it and GW clamped down on them before they could distribute it.

figures. so no hard to find copy floating around? I'd love to see that.

It's up on some torrent sites. I'd post a link, but Dakka-mods have been all up in my ass lately.

Its even on youtube...

I love you guys

Interesting teaser... need moar!

Terminus wrote:Avatar was a good movie, but really just had a silly ending. Anyone can see what happens immediately after the credits roll: the mercenaries go home, make up a sob story about the savage natives, the Colonel gets a post-mortem Medal of Honor, the Earth Navy mobilizes and napalms the planet bare from orbit, and then strip-mine that bitch.

Now that you mention it, this is probably what's gonna happen.

Avatar 2, the sequel, won't be very long when all it consists of are scenes cut from Apocalypse Now.

terribletrygon wrote:The teaser was the work of the Devil, Ultramarines ran over my cat and GW kicked my dog! Rabble rabble rabble!

Hahahahahaha, that pretty much sums up the attitude the best so far.

countchocula86 wrote:You know who I hate even more than the Ultramarines? People who post in this thread with "...take it easy guys..." or "....what did you expect...."

The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.

What, so people can't have an opposing opinion from yours now? Surely that's the whole point of a discussion, to have a range of opinions put forward?
Also, where in this thread is there any "blind acceptance?"

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

countchocula86 wrote:You know who I hate even more than the Ultramarines? People who post in this thread with "...take it easy guys..." or "....what did you expect...."

The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.

What, so people can't have an opposing opinion from yours now? Surely that's the whole point of a discussion, to have a range of opinions put forward?
Also, where in this thread is there any "blind acceptance?"

Didn't you know that not hating everything about Ultramarines and GW in general makes you a n00b fanboi?

Monster Rain wrote:Didn't you know that not hating everything about Ultramarines and GW in general makes you a n00b fanboi?

I'm sure there are many who love Ultras because they honestly believe they are a cool chapter with awesome fluff... But everyone knows there are many who love Ultras because GW repeatedly tells them they should. I bet the type of people who hate Ultras are the same types who are irritated by people who constantly brag about themselves with no basis for their claims to awesomeness.

Or the people who get annoyed at the ignorant teens who constantly proclaim American pop singers are the cream of musical talent.

Archonate wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Didn't you know that not hating everything about Ultramarines and GW in general makes you a n00b fanboi?

I'm sure there are many who love Ultras because they honestly believe they are a cool chapter with awesome fluff... But everyone knows there are many who love Ultras because GW repeatedly tells them they should.

That's a bit condescending, don't you think? Are you a member of an elite group of people that can resist the GW Thought Reform Program?