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Melissia - your level of Space Marine hate in itself is rather shameful.

And really, you have NO IDEA at all that this movie will 100% suck.

Since DA is writing it, I rather think it won't.

Alpharius wrote:Since DA is writing it, I rather think it won't.

Dark Angels are writing an Ultramarines movie?

Should be very interesting


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Alpharius wrote:Melissia - your level of Space Marine hate in itself is rather shameful.

She has been like that ever since the guy in the Marneus Calgar suit rejected her at Adepticon.

Alpharius wrote:Melissia - your level of Space Marine hate in itself is rather shameful.

And really, you have NO IDEA at all that this movie will 100% suck.

Since DA is writing it, I rather think it won't.

Good thing it isn't an Iron Snakes movie.

I think instead of a "teaser" trailer they should have just posted a picture of that guy. The only thing that seemed to move was his chin!


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And I agree with the people who said the Dawn of War intros were better. I also preferred the voice from the Space marines game trailer, that was perfect. Mr Stamps voice seemed out of place.

CT GAMER wrote:I applaud the choice of Ultramarines:

I don't, they have even LESS personality than most Marines do.

At least with, say, Blood Angels, one could see them showing some emotion other than "pitiless scorn", "pitying scorn", and "wrathful scorn".

Mr. Burning wrote:Why the feth do I have to register to see the trailer.

Bollocks, I'll wait till its available more freely. They are not going to monetise my details.

This

Dan Abnett wrote:Big turn out at the stand too - nice to see you all. And I hope I answered the questions about "why the Ultramarines?" well enough. We want to welcome people into the extraordinary Universe of 40K, and convert them to its faith, so we need to establish the definitive concept of Space Marines very effectively, so that people ‘get them’ quickly and easily. Ultramarines do that superbly well. They are a great starting point, and it’s pretty daft to think we’d be better off going for something more obscure or specialist. Besides, has anyone thought to tell the mighty Mister Graham McNeill that Ultramarines aren’t (whisper it) popular? Thought not.

Taken from his blog at The Primary Clone.

Makes perfect sense too. Why confuse people with SPACE VAMPIRES!!!11 or SPACE VIKINGS!!!! right off the bat?

Melissia wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:I applaud the choice of Ultramarines:

I don't, they have even LESS personality than most Marines do.

At least with, say, Blood Angels, one could see them showing some emotion other than "pitiless scorn", "pitying scorn", and "wrathful scorn".

You really are a stereotype.

Well that made little sense.

Yeah...well...

ultramarines are gonna fail. i see it now, imperial guard are fighting a losing battle against the [insert name here], siddenly the ultramarines apear, and it all gos awesomesauce, and the enemeies are pushed back, then the shifty space marine (probably a librarian) will be betraying them, and it will all go pear shaped. Then, the main character, and his elite hit squad will swoop in, save the day, kill the librarian, and get the girl. All to electric power ballad music.

Still, the cgi itself looks ok enough to watch i 'spose.

ghosty wrote:All to electric power ballad music.

I hope so. At least then the soundtrack will redeem the movie a bit.

Martyn Pick, director, says, “It is very exciting for us to be able to show this very first segment of finished animation for ULTRAMARINES. It captures a moment in the story where Captain Severus is reflecting on the imminent menace, and showcases both the quality of the animation, and the movie’s distinctive and powerful look.”

You guys are suppsoe to be blown away from the quality of animation and distinctive powerful look

RogueMarket wrote:

Martyn Pick, director, says, “It is very exciting for us to be able to show this very first segment of finished animation for ULTRAMARINES. It captures a moment in the story where Captain Severus is reflecting on the imminent menace, and showcases both the quality of the animation, and the movie’s distinctive and powerful look.”

You guys are suppsoe to be blown away from the quality of animation and distinctive powerful looook!!!

Yeah, I think they kinda dropped the ball with that one.

Heh at least Severius puts on his mask, eventually.

The actual art itself isnt bad based on the flikr.

The movie can be great, the teaser just failed to its hype.

They did indicate that its the 'first' teaser, lets just hope the 2nd isn't a facepalm.

RogueMarket wrote:

Martyn Pick, director, says, “It is very exciting for us to be able to show this very first segment of finished animation for ULTRAMARINES. It captures a moment in the story where Captain Severus is reflecting on the imminent menace, and showcases both the quality of the animation, and the movie’s distinctive and powerful look.”

You guys are suppsoe to be blown away from the quality of animation and distinctive powerful look

Actually, that is the one thing I took away from it. The Space Marine looks like a dirty, aged battle axe with notches/scars from numerous near death wounds....which is much better than what I was concerned about (Fabio marines with perfect complexions).

RogueMarket wrote:

Heh at least Severius puts on his mask, eventually.

The actual art itself isnt bad based on the flikr.

The movie can be great, the teaser just failed to its hype.

They did indicate that its the 'first' teaser, lets just hope the 2nd isn't a facepalm.

That artwork is very telling...they've completely eliminated any 'reality' (and I use that term lightly) that a person could fit into that suit of power-armor and instead tried to make the proportions match more of what a typical person in a full suit of (non-powered) armor has looked like.

I think that's a very smart choice as already people are commenting about how the proportions seem to be 'right' now. So while it may not be accurate, having greatly reduced the iconic size of the Marines shoulder-pads and lower legs definitely helps to make them look much less cartoony, even if proportionately it wouldn't fly.


And for the record, I despise Ultramarines with all my soul, but I of course am looking forward to this movie with great excitement.

Dan Abnett wrote:The first small but perfectly formed piece of the Ultramarines movie went on show yesterday...

I believe the term is 'lolno'.

That was terrible. The animation was iffy, it looked almost cartoonish. It's that horrible bland style where they don't want to pay to bridge the uncanny valley, so they just settle for lots of normal-mapping and unrealistically darkened shadows and hope nobody notices that if you put it through a cell-shading render it would look like a disney film.

Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.

And the comments exhibited in this thread are why they don't listen to forums or solicit the fans for rules.

Rube wrote:

Dan Abnett wrote:The first small but perfectly formed piece of the Ultramarines movie went on show yesterday...

I believe the term is 'lolno'.

That was terrible. The animation was iffy, it looked almost cartoonish. It's that horrible bland style where they don't want to pay to bridge the uncanny valley, so they just settle for lots of normal-mapping and unrealistically darkened shadows and hope nobody notices that if you put it through a cell-shading render it would look like a disney film.

Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.

So what army would be a better choice? They have to pick something and invariably whatever they pick is going to make people who don't care for that army unhappy. Ultramarines are a very popular army, so why not use them? I personally don't care for the Ultramarines at all but I understand that they are very much an iconic image of the Space Marine and Warhammer 40K in general, so they seem like the natural choice to be the subject of the first 40K movie.

And as for animation quality, everyone needs to check their expectations if they're expecting the best animation you've ever seen.

No realistic animation has ever come close to bridging the uncanny valley, even the most expensive animation of all time, so I'm not sure what you were hoping for.

And there's no way we can expect this to be the same animation quality as say, even the best animation in video game trailers. Those projects are quite short and yet they still pay the best animation houses in the world top dollar for just a few minutes.

This is going to be a straight to DVD release to a relatively small market I'm actually impressed by the level of quality we've seen so far in this trailer.


But to each their own...

So, since everyone here seems to hate ultramarines, what army would you like in there?

What chapter more symbolizes the space marines as a whole? None.

Raven Guard.

Obviously.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:So, since everyone here seems to hate ultramarines, what army would you like in there?

What chapter more symbolizes the space marines as a whole? None.

Black Templars. Space marines were created to Fight the great crusade. Black Templars are still doing it.

Darkchild

Ultras are the proto-chapter of the hobby. Failing that, lets go for another codex chapter, like the Imperial Fists.

Obviously its very easy to hate something, and find its flaws. But to be frank, we did not get much. At least nothing really....good.

First and foremost "All that stands in their way are the mighty Space Marines..." What a slap in the face to every poor IG unenhanced guardsmen watching a Xenos force baring down on him, clutching his las rifle! I mean really!


The trailer itself was ok. Yes, it was only a teaser trailer, and a teaser trailer isnt meant to show off every vivid detail of the movie. But in the most basic sense, a teaser trailer should entice me to want to see the movie, and I feel this one falls short. All Ive really learnt is that
a) In the 41st millennium there is war
b) Space Marines fight for humans
c) Ultramarines are the bestest

But really, when the movie itself is called "Ultramarines" a lot of that is evident. Even someone who isnt into the hobby can find that much out with a bit of searching. But even if thats what they are going on (that they want to attract people who have no idea what WH40k is) they still fell short. The trailer completely lacked dynamism. When the voiceover starts talking about the alien threats, it would be great to see some shadowy silhouetted depictions of those aliens, or better yet see Mr. Ultramarine standing atop a pile of corpse. Or even as a bare minimum, to see his bolter. Something alluding to the constant state of war the teaser is telling me the universe has descended to. I think some more noise would have helped too. Bolter fire, or screams, or even grunts. Anything. I guess the credit roll at the end sort of had gun shot noises. Kind of.

And like others, I dont really like the choice of Ultramarines either. Mostly because its like the UM are GWs army, the one they play most often. So they get the spotlight constantly. If you see this trailer, and then take a look at Space Marines on the e-store, youre pretty much going to assume that UM are Space Marines, that there are no other chapters. Using another Chapter would at least showoff the diversity that is possible. And frankly some of the more flawed Chapters would make more interesting characters.

yakface wrote:So what army would be a better choice? They have to pick something and invariably whatever they pick is going to make people who don't care for that army unhappy. Ultramarines are a very popular army, so why not use them? I personally don't care for the Ultramarines at all but I understand that they are very much an iconic image of the Space Marine and Warhammer 40K in general, so they seem like the natural choice to be the subject of the first 40K movie.

The problem isn't with them picking Ultramarines, it's with stuff like this. Was it necessary for that teaser to say 'the greatest of them is the Ultramarines'?

What's wrong with saying 'the Ultramarines are great'? Then everybody who collects another Space Marine army doesn't feel like their favourites are second-rate. They're not pissing off the majority of their playerbase to make only the Ultramarine players feel special.

It's a self-fufilling prophecy at that. Perhaps the Ultramarines are only popular because GW keep writing about how they're better than everyone else. Perhaps, after his film, all the new players we get are going to play Ultramarines because they think they're the 'best Space Marines ever'. Perhaps, with the increased popularity of the Ultramarines from those new players, GW will allocate yet more of their resources into the Ultramarines, which makes them more popular, which means GW will allocate yet more of their resources into the Ultramarines, etc. Until we end up with GW only ever updating Space Marines, and only selling blue paint.

Rube wrote:Until we end up with GW only ever updating Space Marines, and only selling blue paint.

Well, Step 1 is achieved and out of the way.

When do we get nothing but Blue paint?

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:So, since everyone here seems to hate ultramarines, what army would you like in there?

What chapter more symbolizes the space marines as a whole?

Please!

Alpha Legion, obviously!

Serving humanity (!) since 30K...

Kanluwen wrote:Raven Guard.

Obviously.

I love 'em too, but no way were they going to beat out the Ultras!

Platuan4th wrote:

Rube wrote:Until we end up with GW only ever updating Space Marines, and only selling blue paint.

Well, Step 1 is achieved and out of the way.

When do we get nothing but Blue paint?

Yawn.

This is a thread about a movie featuring Space Marines.

What exactly were you expecting in it, or in here?

I love 'em too, but no way were they going to beat out the Ultras!

How do you figure? In terms of the numbers each Chapter can muster? Or are we talking about a UM tac Marine moping the floor with an equal Raven Guard? Or any Chapter. Are the UMs getting the better organs or something? With 100s upon 100s of chapters, the UM still have to be the best regardless? Seems rather weak.

countchocula86 wrote:

I love 'em too, but no way were they going to beat out the Ultras!

How do you figure? In terms of the numbers each Chapter can muster? Or are we talking about a UM tac Marine moping the floor with an equal Raven Guard? Or any Chapter. Are the UMs getting the better organs or something? With 100s upon 100s of chapters, the UM still have to be the best regardless? Seems rather weak.

He's talking more about the fact that Ultramarines are, as I said earlier, the "most human" of all the Chapters. They live and interact among humans pretty constantly. They take a personal interest in the workings of the Ultramar system, etc etc.

Raven Guard do their absolute best to stay out of the spotlight, even amongst themselves.

The Ultramarine's are the greatest For this simple fact they were the largest legion at the end of the heresy and the ultra geneseed is present in some where in the range of %80 of the chapters that exist at this point. The point of this thread is the trailer not who you think it should be about if you want to talk about that take it to another thread and quit doing it in this one.
It is a 40k movie so I will buy and watch it I would love it to be about the space wolves but i will live with it as is.