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Terrible defense by USA at first.... Howard almost taken out early (that would've sucked) and then... luckiest goal in the history of the world cup (well.. maybe) wow.... what a game, and its only the first half.

And the Yankees beat the Houston Astros 9-3. Another solid performance for the NY Yankees!

well it was a tie which I predicted though I figured no goals were gonna be scored... but still a tie for the US is a defeat for England!! this is where I gloat a little bit. But it was a good game all round, Howard was excellent, Rooney didn't get enough touches in my opinion. Green will forever be remembered as the guy that gave up a goal that a school yard boy WOULDN'T give up.

hcordes wrote: but still a tie for the US is a defeat for England!!

Wait wait wait. I thought there were no ties in baseball. And it was the Yankees versus the Astros today.

Warone your posts are getting tiresome...IT WASN'T FUNNY AT FIRST... AND IT ISN'T FUNNY NOW.

Please stop spamming the soccer threads with your nonsense.
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Well.. I'm very unsatisfied. Both goals were pretty silly goals to give up if you ask me, especially the USA goal.

The USA team played very sloppy. They should have won this game.

Ah well, here's hoping USA and England get out of the group, and get to replay later in the Cup.

This game is in dire need of a replay.

GG

I predicted 2:1 England.

However Man of the Match is the Everton goalkeeper so "go figure".

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Gidiron players didn't always wear armour. afaik They wear the padding to prevent damage from the helmets.

They didn't wear pads at first and there were so many deaths that the President (Teddy Roosevelt) had to step in and demand rules changes. That's when things like the neutral zone, etc. were created and pads started being worn, IIRC. Unlike rugby, American football is based around high-speed collisons. Rugby is a rough, tough sport, but you don't get situations where 245 lb. linebackers that can run like sprinters get yards of acceleration before throwing themselves straight into your chest. Different sport with different physical demands.

Kudos to the U.S. team. We got lucky, but our guys did a great job holding England to one goal.

Thanks for the history there Gorgon

I said elsewhere that the tackling is of a different nature. Some of the hits in rugger are fierce but the body positions are totally different to Gridiron.

Anyways I listened to the game on the radio. Engerland as expected failed to play to their full potential. It may have been a lucky goal but no less than USA deserved for their first half efforts, and sounded by far the better team.

England had some good chances second half. USA clearly have a problem with the back 4 so will get punished by a team who can actually finish.

Yeah we dominated second half, the first was poor. USA had a few chances, not many outstanding ones though, and England just fethed up the good ones we had - a couple of beautiful shots from outside of the box. Rooney's header was also heroic

sA

generalgrog wrote:Warone your posts are getting tiresome...IT WASN'T FUNNY AT FIRST... AND IT ISN'T FUNNY NOW.

Please stop spamming the soccer threads with your nonsense.

Alright. I apologize for annoying you.

I do not apologize for belittling the sport of soccer as a significant pass time in America.

The fact that I have heard very little of soccer related news here except on ESPN has been quite satisfying. Not one person I talked to today seemed inclined to want to discuss soccer. Rather, it was I who tried forcing a subject about their thoughts of U.S.'s match with England. Most were not even aware America was playing an international soccer sport today. I elicited more responses to baseball than soccer.

My sampling was based upon people walking into the store today and conversing with them about the weather, sports action, and identifying people who are interested in sports. Of those I solicited about sports news today, asking about the U.S.-England match were suprised to find out from me there was a match going on.

I do not feel like I owe soccer and America's involvemnt in soccer an apology, but I will apologize to you generalgrog for making your experience less than enjoyable in this thread.

That being said, Mets will be playing later today against the hapless Orioles at 7:05pm EST.

Only Americans care about baseball though. So I guess the feelings mutual

Not true! Cubans, Japanese and Canadians also play baseball. The Japanese are very excited when one of their players gets into the US League.

No-one else cares though, however it should be noted that none of the US major home sports (ice hockey, baseball, American football and basketball) have a major international profile anyway.

Soladrin wrote:Only Americans care about baseball though. So I guess the feelings mutual

I do not denigrate the sport of soccer abroad. Specifically, I am skepitcal [okay- very skeptical (read: fanatically do not believe)] of its popularity in America. Soccer comes in a FAR distant next to last place here in America as soccer has not done a good job of integrating itself into the American landscape or the public mind.

WarOne wrote:

generalgrog wrote:Warone your posts are getting tiresome...IT WASN'T FUNNY AT FIRST... AND IT ISN'T FUNNY NOW.

Please stop spamming the soccer threads with your nonsense.

Alright. I apologize for annoying you.

I do not apologize for belittling the sport of soccer as a significant pass time in America.

The fact that I have heard very little of soccer related news here except on ESPN has been quite satisfying. Not one person I talked to today seemed inclined to want to discuss soccer. Rather, it was I who tried forcing a subject about their thoughts of U.S.'s match with England. Most were not even aware America was playing an international soccer sport today. I elicited more responses to baseball than soccer.

My sampling was based upon people walking into the store today and conversing with them about the weather, sports action, and identifying people who are interested in sports. Of those I solicited about sports news today, asking about the U.S.-England match were suprised to find out from me there was a match going on.

I do not feel like I owe soccer and America's involvemnt in soccer an apology, but I will apologize to you generalgrog for making your experience less than enjoyable in this thread.

That being said, Mets will be playing later today against the hapless Orioles at 7:05pm EST.

No, you're trying to belittle the thread.

Just because you aren't interested doesn't mean that hundreds of millions of other people aren't either.

sA

smiling Assassin wrote:
No, you're trying to belittle the thread.

Just because you aren't interested doesn't mean that hundreds of millions of other people aren't either.

sA

Well, I have to agree with you by extension that since I am belittling America's interest in soccer the thread has gotten some of my backhand as well. I do not doubt there are hundreds of millions of people out there that have an interest in soccer. I am skeptical of the extent that soccer has infested America. It is simply not as popular as some of the more entrenched franchise sports in the United States.

I'm not so that makes 2 of us.

That's the thing. Baseball and football and basketball are as engrained into the US as much as soccer is in Europe. Hockey isn't as big in US I don't think as the first 3 but it's probably bigger in the colder states where, well, the populace can associate with it better. Hockey is huge in Mn, I know that.

Obviously the Americans who play soccer professionally care a lot about soccer but it's not belittling to say that "nobody cares". Sure SOMEONE cares over in this country but "nobody cares" is a blanket statement saying "not enough care to make it worth talking abot".

It's like the Dakka attitude that "90% of us think GW charges too much for their miniatures so that means that 90% of the WORLD player thinks GW charges too much for their stuff". Blanket statements are fun.

Fateweaver wrote:Obviously the Americans who play soccer professionally care a lot about soccer but it's not belittling to say that "nobody cares". Sure SOMEONE cares over in this country but "nobody cares" is a blanket statement saying "not enough care to make it worth talking abot".

Well, I wish I could throw some statistics in with my argument...

Hmm...so we shall get some opinions in there about the popularity of sports via a ranking system from here:

http://forum.kahuki.com/general-discussions/2824-sports-fans-rank-top-10-sports-popularity-u-s-also-where-does-soccer-rank.html

Some comments here:

http://www.thewasif.com/?p=463

More opinion here:

http://media.www.uwtledger.com/media/storage/paper642/news/2003/12/04/Sports/Top-Five.Popular.Sports.In.America-576965.shtml

And a wiki answer for the soccer interest in America:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_most_popular_sports_in_North_America

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oops, double post, GO U.S.A!!!

But the point is Generalgrog, an American, was interested enough to start a thread on Dakka which enjoys a multinational membership, and mostly from counties that do follow Association Football passionately.

If I kept jumping into an American Football discussion saying that no one else cares, then it would be frowned upon and rightly so.

Topic title:
USA vs England .... World Cup.

and not:
American Football is the Jock Strap of the Universe.

Do a Barrel roll!

So this match is another UK-USA standoff to go on the draw pile?



Wasn't as good as that tie :(

Gwar! wrote:Do a Barrel roll!

I watched the game and can't work out how the keeper got from picture 3 to picture 4. For his families sake i can only hope it was by gun shot.

Damn you Green I literally choked on a beer when that happened!

If you look at the replay he had a bad angle. He wasn't even totally behind the ball.

GG


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By the way.... my new name for Warone is CAPTAIN OBVIOUS...

GG

Absolutely
It was a schoolboy error!
Getting your body behind the ball is such a basic principle of goalkeeping.

"He could have thrown his cap on it!"

Fateweaver wrote:

smiling Assassin wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:You come back when you lot are going to start playing grownup mens games like real football, basketball, or hockey - games that require a full-grown man just to take a hit from another man.

Not a grownup mens' sport?

Oh and...



?

600% tougher but actually safer than American Football.

sA

Your average Football Defensive lineman would toss a rugby player around like he was a little child. American footballers wear padding and neck braces and helmets due to the severity of hits. A rugby player getting hit by someone like Pat Williams from the Mn Vikings would curl up and cry like a girly man.

So Jonn is right. Rugby is not even close to real football, ie American football. It's also not as glamorous. We have much cooler looking uniforms. Purple and gold baby. Yeah!!!

Incorrect. If a rugby player were hit by a US lineman going football speed he'd be going to the hospital. There's a reason for the pads.

Henners91 wrote:So this match is another UK-USA standoff to go on the draw pile?



Wasn't as good as that tie :(

That's why we call it soccer, why we drive on the right side of the road, and why we don't use your metric system.


Oh, and why were we playing english football when we should've been playing american soccer? If we had been playing soccer, we would've won.

Henners91 wrote:So this match is another UK-USA standoff to go on the draw pile?



Wasn't as good as that tie :(

IIRC it wasnt White at the time. The Preidential Palace had to be whitewashed because the buildings shell had beemn given a new decor.

Ahh good times.

Doesn't matter, after all, we did beat you twice.