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Soccer is okay. More exciting than golf but less exciting than womens beach volleyball.
Now THERE is a sport that I can get into.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
It is only the USA where footie is considered a childrens' game.
It is a HUGE sport for kids right up through high school and college/university. When I was a boy everyone I knew played soccer either through a league or just in the neighborhood.
Fateweaver wrote:Your average Football Defensive lineman would toss a rugby player around like he was a little child. American footballers wear padding and neck braces and helmets due to the severity of hits. A rugby player getting hit by someone like Pat Williams from the Mn Vikings would curl up and cry like a girly man.
So Jonn is right. Rugby is not even close to real football, ie American football. It's also not as glamorous. We have much cooler looking uniforms. Purple and gold baby. Yeah!!!
Are you trying to tell me this unathletic butter ball is a paragon of American butch Football? Says a lot.
Chabal would crush him. Well, not crush. If you ground up the killer element in both of those guys to bake a cake, Chabal's would be the best. He's wild.
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags.
JohnHwangDD wrote:You come back when you lot are going to start playing grownup mens games like real football, basketball, or hockey - games that require a full-grown man just to take a hit from another man.
(rowing)
Not a grownup mens' sport?
Oh and...
(rugby)
600% tougher but actually safer than American Football.
Both of those sports are playable by a guy my size, and I'm only 6-foot, 180#. None of us are going to go toe-to-toe against a pro football lineman - those guys are about 300#, wicked explosive, and they hit like a freight train. You go ahead and put one of your "world class" rowing or rugby guys in front of a OG, and that lineman is gonna hurt someone. Bad.
Oh yeah, re your pictures, just line your rugby guy up on the line... that butterball will take his head off. American football isn't some ballet of movement where guys run for minutes at a time. American football is played seconds at a time, and the half-second after the whistle blows is all it takes for him to jump up and sledgehammer the guy in front of him into the ground.
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Both of those sports are playable by a guy my size, and I'm only 6-foot, 180#. None of us are going to go toe-to-toe against a pro football lineman - those guys are about 300#, wicked explosive, and they hit like a freight train. You go ahead and put one of your "world class" rowing or rugby guys in front of a OG, and that lineman is gonna hurt someone. Bad.
Perfectly playable, but are you world class at either?
You've clearly never met a member of the GB rowing team or a professional Rugby player They may not weigh as much but both sports require as much explosive force as American football, rowing probably more. Considering the weight that some of the American footballers harbour in their bellies, it's not that impressive.
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags.
I never claimed to be world class - just of similar size. But there's no way on earth that those guys can be as big as an OG or DT. They're cardio-based, so they can't carry as much weight and still be effective.
American linemen are very much like Sumo wrestlers - huge and explosive, but only for several seconds at a time. That's why you never see one of them run a ball in for a score. They're too heavy for that.
But stand in front of him, and let him hit you, and that's a whole different thing.
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JohnHwangDD wrote:I never claimed to be world class. But there's no way on earth that those guys can be as big as an OG or DT. They're cardio-based, so they can't carry as much weight and still be effective.
American linemen are very much like Sumo wrestlers - huge and explosive, but only for several seconds at a time. That's why you never see one of them run a ball in for a score. They're too heavy for that.
But stand in front of him, and let him hit you, and that's a whole different thing.
Ahh I see what you're getting at better now.
Definately don't want to be hit by one of those. They look ridiculous but I guess it fills their role fine on the pitch.
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags.
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags.
John is right. Defensive Linemen and even Offensive Linemen aren't built for long distance sprinting. Some RB's and LB's and Receivers are on the plus side of 230 but most of the faster ball carriers are lighter than me or close (I'm 245). Rugby players may be as strong (don't let buttergut fool you, he could probably pick any one of us up without so much as even straining his muscles) but his job is to knock your head off within the first couple of yards and a good lineman or tight end or safety will do that.
I've seen videos of some rugby hits and while they look painful (mostly due to no padding as such) the way AF plays if the players didn't wear padding there'd be a lot more deaths and or serious injuries as a result. From what I gather the men line up on the ball in what looks like a large group hug and push back and forth trying to get the ball loose, when it does come loose eventually it looks like a cross between soccer and american football (guys throwing it away or kicking it away to another person). In AF those guys line up 2 feet away and try to break the other person in half (within the rules of course) to try to keep him from hitting the guy with the ball.
So I still don't see rugby being more manly due to no protective clothing. If anything the pads and helmets help to further strengthen the argument players in AF hit a lot harder than in rugby. Even with padding lots of players have had their careers (and even lives) ended due to bad hits, illegal hits or hard hits. One sport focuses on a big group shove to free the ball and then from there it's all about trying to intercept the ball and or maybe tackle someone. The other has 300 plus pound men trying to pound one another or someone lighter (poor receiver) into the ground until he drops the ball or is ruled down and thus the line up across from eachother begins anew.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Hey Heacy
I gather you think that It will be 1-0 to England
Could we drop the macho stuff about which is tougher now please.
Ultimately they are different games and while a bit of light hearted banter was fun it is starting to get tedious.
The issue is parochial.
We like rugger you like gridiron, everyone's a winner
But ... sheesh, you'll be tellin' me 40K is better than WHFB next
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Yeah the pads don't make a difference to the "manly/not manly" argument anyway which is stupid.
Was boxing less manly before gloves? Certainly not, but more people die because of boxing these days than in the bare knuckle days for that express reason - you can hit much harder and not feel it. If both sides have pads, neither side feels it.
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags.
Get off the intanetz and down the pub like any normal person. If you don't you may not have sufficient levels of alcahol in you to remember the works to ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND......ad infanitum
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"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags.
smiling Assassin wrote:Yeah the pads don't make a difference to the "manly/not manly" argument anyway which is stupid.
Was boxing less manly before gloves? Certainly not, but more people die because of boxing these days than in the bare knuckle days for that express reason - you can hit much harder and not feel it. If both sides have pads, neither side feels it.
sA
Thats the problem. The hits a lot of times dont hurt bad but still cause severe damage over time so that you dont realize it.
USA! Usa!
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags.
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They may not weigh as much but both sports require as much explosive force as American football, rowing probably more. Considering the weight that some of the American footballers harbour in their bellies, it's not that impressive.
