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'co-producing' means you sit there and feel important while some engineer twitched the knobs, so you can say "that sounds good" at the end, and advertise your musical genius for taking that much effort.

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Orlanth wrote:Lady Gaga and the rest of the chick celeb 'musicians' really have to go all the way to get attention. Stripping down to duct tape in one recent video and generally competeing with the other skanks on who can get the lowest act sale.


If she were trying to be generically slutty there are lots of easier ways to go about it. She did a photo shoot with a dildo in her pants, for crying out loud How "sexy" is that? Any of her looks are intentional and for each one where she nears nakedness there's another that covers her up significantly so that argument really doesn't work.

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Guitardian wrote:'co-producing' means you sit there and feel important while some engineer twitched the knobs, so you can say "that sounds good" at the end, and advertise your musical genius for taking that much effort.


Can I assume you sat in on the sessions?


Anyway, we're derailing Cannerus' thread.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Chicago, IL, U.S.A.

I think this thread has been derailed for a while, but its still fun to muse on. I mean how many times can you say "wow! looks like fun!". Now we delve into the inner mysteries of why it looks like fun...

For the record, I would go see pop bands any opportunity I had (which I don't) but I would be the guy in the back watching the DJ/synth guy from a distance and completely ignoring the dance squad, cuz I'm a sound geek like that and I think anyone who can dance with pre-planned precision well is probably not someone I would want to talk to. Something to do with I.Q. I guess. The lower it gets, the better your ability to hop around on command like a dancing bear.


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Albatross wrote:
Guitardian wrote:'co-producing' means you sit there and feel important while some engineer twitched the knobs, so you can say "that sounds good" at the end, and advertise your musical genius for taking that much effort.


Can I assume you sat in on the sessions?



I assume you are being condescending but. um. actually yes. Not of gaga but for other 'artists' from time to time, and yeah its always the same attitude.

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As far as this title is concerned I am rather envious. Gaga would get it because of how awesome she is. No if, ands or buts.
All hail the Gagage and her awesome tunes....

   
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Colossal Donkey wrote:As far as this title is concerned I am rather envious. Gaga would get it because of how awesome she is. No if, ands or buts.
All hail the Gagage and her awesome tunes....


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Guitardian wrote:
Albatross wrote:
Guitardian wrote:'co-producing' means you sit there and feel important while some engineer twitched the knobs, so you can say "that sounds good" at the end, and advertise your musical genius for taking that much effort.


Can I assume you sat in on the sessions?



I assume you are being condescending but. um. actually yes. Not of gaga but for other 'artists' from time to time, and yeah its always the same attitude.


I'm not being condescending - I meant did you sit in on Bjork's recording sessions? Because if not, you would have no way of knowing how much input she had, would you? I'm co-producing a record, and it has been a very involved process - fully collaborative. I think there's more to it than you make out.

In any case, I think some people make too much of this concept of 'realness'. It's SO early '90s. Old hat, man. It's all about 'superreal', 'better-than-real'. I think excessive earnestness dulls music - just look at Pearl Jam. See, this is the reason I quite respect Gaga - she's superreal. It's the future. Unlike a lot of people, I'm not ideologically opposed to her - I just find her music a bit irritating.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Chicago, IL, U.S.A.

Boomp Boomp Boomp Boomp.... melody here... chorus... break... (say something superreal!) boomp boomp... cmon man. I like a good joke for a song or predictable pop formula too but thats hardly saying I 'respect' it. Just enjoy it for the cheese it is. If you analyze it too hard you ruin it. And Soo 'early 90s is a silly idea as that was kind of like the late 60s for our generation, when all sorts of borders were crossed, barriers of tradition completely overturned. You can't diss the music that essentially defined generation X and our rebelious experimental streak against the 80s pop culture or 70s disco. Funny how it goes in a cycle from 'pop'/dance bubblegum to 'authentic' grungy/rocky/whatever-name-they-give-it and back around every decade or so.

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Guitardian wrote:Boomp Boomp Boomp Boomp.... melody here... chorus... break... (say something superreal!) boomp boomp... cmon man. I like a good joke for a song or predictable pop formula too but thats hardly saying I 'respect' it. Just enjoy it for the cheese it is. If you analyze it too hard you ruin it.

It's not magic, it's culture. There's nothing wrong with analysing culture. That's like saying we shouldn't study biology because it 'ruins' nature. It's a very poor argument.
The next few decades will be defined by genre-busting artists who utilise the power of modern technology and omnimedia to transcend the banalities of such concepts as 'truth', 'authenticity' and 'reality'. Those things have always been a myth, and if you were well-informed you'd know that - Bob Dylan, wide-eyed wanderer at the gates of oblivion? Sorry, just plain old Robert Zimmerman, son of middle-class Jewish furniture store owners from Minnesota. David Bowie, Ziggy Stardust, The thin white duke? David Jones, a grave-digger from Brixton. It's always been this way right from the start, right from (arguably) the first pop star, Jimmie Rodgers. Fake, fake, fake. 'Movements' in popular music are driven by money. Always have been. Nothing is real.

Now, none of this is to put Lady Gaga on a pedestal. She's not a visionary or even a particularly great songwriter in my opinion. But to paraphrase Bowie, she's 'a part of the coming race'. A step in the right direction.

And Soo 'early 90s is a silly idea as that was kind of like the late 60s for our generation, when all sorts of borders were crossed, barriers of tradition completely overturned.

Aaaaaand...you've bought the myth. What borders where crossed? What traditions were overturned? Everything that happened in the grunge trend had a cultural precursor. None of it was original or new, and it certainly wasn't as important a cultural shift as the early 60s. It was a triumph of branding and marketing more than anything else.

You can't diss the music that essentially defined generation X and our rebelious experimental streak against the 80s pop culture or 70s disco.

Rebellious? Experimental?!? They were all signed to major labels - they all became millionaires! What's experimental about ripping off the Pixies? Both of the other periods you mentioned had more originality and musical innovation than grunge. Also, big business defined 'generation x' - they created a fake subculture and sold it back to the youth. Sorry, but it's true.

Funny how it goes in a cycle from 'pop'/dance bubblegum to 'authentic' grungy/rocky/whatever-name-they-give-it and back around every decade or so.

Nothing is authentic. It's all pop. But that's OK, you just have to accept it and everything will be fine.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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And I reference my early Gaga quote about her not doing anything original, just taking existing things and mixing them in new ways. It really is what it is. I personally believe the 90s will have the least impact of the previous 50 years of music (barring the evolution of hiphop into whatever the hell it is now). The pop was really poppy, the grunge was really angsty and the "outcry" against the pop led to a million Creed and Nirvana clones. Very little pop culturally came around in the 90s. What character best sums it all up?


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go put on glenn gould's 1982 goldberg variations and realize bach and beethoven pretty much won music already.

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Chicago, IL, U.S.A.

I am definitely not a Nirvana worshipper, and even Jesus hates Creed. But you can't deny that Nirvana turned the music business on its head and redefined what was 'pop', killed off the hair bands, the brief metallica 'black' album had nowhere near as big an effect it just made it 'safe' for parents to let their kids listen to metal because the radio said it was okay - instead of worrying that their kids would turn to satan or be told by hidden messages to kill themselves. Nirvana changed the way kids thought about music, or song lyrics, or stylishness or 'popularity'. I don't really like listening to them but I can't say they weren't relevant.

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They affected society very significantly which is neither a good nor bad thing in itself, but it definitely can't be ignored. I think in the long run that whiny style will be around at an "underground" level but won't see the light of day very often. One-dimensional feelings get old quick unless you're a teenager. I don't care for them being worshipped, but some people don't care for Gaga's following either so that's an opinion/taste thing.

Classical music is old. New things are new. If you want to be so close-minded as to only listen to classical, feel free to find a time machine. Or we could take a clue from the cockney hitcher:


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Guitardian wrote:Boomp Boomp Boomp Boomp.... melody here... chorus... break... (say something superreal!) boomp boomp... cmon man. I like a good joke for a song or predictable pop formula too but thats hardly saying I 'respect' it. Just enjoy it for the cheese it is. If you analyze it too hard you ruin it.


Not all music is meant to be analyzed, sometimes it's just entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with that.
   
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What's wrong with analysing entertainment? It is more important now than at any point during human history. We spend more on boredom than the third world does on food.

That's got to count for something - it's certainly worthy of analysis.

@Cannerus - 'Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either'.

You just went up a notch in my estimations. Welcome to notch 1.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Albatross wrote:What's wrong with analysing entertainment? It is more important now than at any point during human history. We spend more on boredom than the third world does on food.

That's got to count for something - it's certainly worthy of analysis.


Didn't think of it like that.
   
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Well if you analyze it too hard you come up with
4+8+4+8+8+4+8+4+8+8... break... 4+8+4+8+8 = $

I've programmed sequencers before and seriously... even if its catchy, you learn to be sick of it by the time you get it polished. So yeah I agree a lot goes into the production process, but its mostly the engineer having to do all that crap and listen to the same formula over and over and over while the 'artist' sort of just gives opinions on the final product and calls it 'co-producing'. 'tis all I meant by the Bjork remark.

Retroactively applied infallability is its own reward. I wish I knew this years ago.

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Guitardian wrote:Well if you analyze it too hard you come up with
4+8+4+8+8+4+8+4+8+8... break... 4+8+4+8+8 = $

I've programmed sequencers before and seriously... even if its catchy, you learn to be sick of it by the time you get it polished. So yeah I agree a lot goes into the production process, but its mostly the engineer having to do all that crap and listen to the same formula over and over and over while the 'artist' sort of just gives opinions on the final product and calls it 'co-producing'. 'tis all I meant by the Bjork remark.

Well, if you listen to anything long enough, you wind up hating it. Recording is a pain in the arse if you are working in 360 degrees (i.e. writing, performing, recording, engineering/producing, mixing, mastering, distributing....). Pain in the fething arse.


Can you tell how stressed I am?

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Chicago, IL, U.S.A.

Yessir indeed I can and I'm in that exact boat right now. good luck, and remember to give your ears a break from time to time (like every time you take a whizz or smoke a cig, leave it alone for an hour for instance) This helps retain pop-sanity.

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Bristol!

I fail to see how basically just being Madonna (mildly revamped for the current age) is seen as a breakthrough visionary artist, but maybe that's just me, anyone else puzzled by this?

I'll just leave this here...




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I'm pretty sure Cartman will go down as groundbreaking history when Lady Gaga is all but forgotten and replaced by the next one. That video was hillarious.

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Bristol!

Best Cartman line evar:

"We all know what happens when you take a good joke too far, just look at Hitler".

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AlexHolker wrote:At this stage, I'm starting to think GW's CEO was just getting ready for the Rapture
 
   
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Guitardian wrote:I just have to share this gem of pop genius.... circa 1980... It's like one chick who can actually sing, 2 other girls there to look pretty, and a dude who is more or less just the stage show... They were from Haiti or Jamaica or one of those kind of places, and supposedly didn't even understand half the words they were singing. I think it just rocks though... I groove my ass off every time I see this, and laugh my ass off too. Truly one of the lost greats of pop music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYg


Funny coincidence. With Boney M and Milli Vanilli.

They had the same guy in common.
Frank Farian.

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Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7n8GqewJ2M&feature=channel

just another put it in perspective

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Apparently our dear friend Albatross has another secret http://gagadaily.com/boards/showthread.php?t=25727&p=1068192#post1068192 Look about 4 posts down!

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Colossal Donkey wrote:As far as this title is concerned I am rather envious. Gaga would get it because of how awesome she is. No if, ands or buts.
All hail the Gagage and her awesome tunes....


unless of course you're referring to music, in which case she's the Mount Everest of crap. But your personal mileage may vary.

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Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Apparently our dear friend Albatross has another secret http://gagadaily.com/boards/showthread.php?t=25727&p=1068192#post1068192 Look about 4 posts down!


How dare you! You made me 37!


37?!!?


I'm 28, you cheeky sod!

Good joke, though I can't help but suspect you're attracted to me.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Arlington, Texas

Judging by the quote in my sig it's clearly the other way 'round, eh? I'm just messing with ya bro.

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Manchester UK

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Judging by the quote in my sig it's clearly the other way 'round, eh? I'm just messing with ya bro.


It's cool. I mean, I'm British - we're all a BIT gay.


 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Bristol!

Whoa there bud, don't speak for all of us Brits.

I, for instance, am massively gay.

Anyway it's not gay if you don't open your eyes...........

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