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zadelistol wrote:lol. Was just giving you a heads up just in case you where.

Now back on topic. is there ANYTHING in the chaos force that can stop this? Maybe perhaps a Summoned Daemon? I know nothing about how to play apoc, but want to eventually get into it when finances come around.

Any monstrous creature can kill this thing. It's an unconditional roll of 2d6 againt vehicles. DPs have 5 strength, which means you need to roll at least a 10...It's easier than it sounds when you have 4 attacks

And we all know how easy it is to get a monstrous creature near this especially facing 4 multi-meltas to the face and moving at half the speed.

The monolith can't be glanced to death.

The Particle Whip vs. TFC is pretty situational as well. There is also the fact that the Monolith can transport troops, and nothing supports a monolith better than 1 or two more monoliths.

Monster Rain wrote:The monolith can't be glanced to death.

Neither can this, unless you play games lasting dozens of turns.

rivers64 wrote:And we all know how easy it is to get a monstrous creature near this especially facing TWO multi-meltas to the face and moving at half the speed.

It's not that difficult for a trygon or a winged DP near this thing at all. If you consider what everyone's been saying (That this thing will be a magnet for low damage chart rolls), I don't think you have to worry so much about your monstrous creature.

Also, fixed that for you

just shoot it with a railgun. 1/6 chance it blows up first time

Only way I can think of getting a MC of chaos close is by DS a termie squad with a Termie Lord, have the Termies take the damage and hope that it doesnt move and that on your next turn you get your greater daemon in, wait a turn to move it then assault. But...with how much attention SD get on the field(A lot for me) won't get it close enough to assault before it dies.

Nids are the only race that monstrous creatures could work for.

I think Orks wouldn't have too hard a time with this, between Deff Rollas and Warbosses.

Let alone Ghazkull.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Shrike325 wrote:Meh, just takes 2 squads of broadsides to kill it in a turn, on average.

Good thinking. I'll go and get some Broadsides for my Necrons, my Guard, my Tyranids and my Chaos armies.

Thanks for finding such a simple and universal solution to the issue of killing this tank.

Well mr HMBC, can you find a unit that can kill it that also happens to be in every army? No, I didnt think so.

On a lighter note, LR across the ages? sounds expensive! have you got a terminus ultra?

Monster Rain wrote:I think Orks wouldn't have too hard a time with this, between Deff Rollas and Warbosses.

Let alone Ghazkull.

Already did the math for that a couple pages back. It takes twice as many attacks for Ghazzy to kill this as with a normal LR, likewise Deffrollas. On average, you'll need to hit it with a Deffrolla about 5 times to ensure a single "wrecked" result.

Jaon wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Shrike325 wrote:Meh, just takes 2 squads of broadsides to kill it in a turn, on average.

Good thinking. I'll go and get some Broadsides for my Necrons, my Guard, my Tyranids and my Chaos armies.

Thanks for finding such a simple and universal solution to the issue of killing this tank.

Well mr HMBC, can you find a unit that can kill it that also happens to be in every army? No, I didnt think so.

On a lighter note, LR across the ages? sounds expensive! have you got a terminus ultra?

Isn't that the one with the extra lascannons on it? That thing is so cool

Yeah, but wrecked isn't the only acceptable outcome on the image table.

It takes about the same amount of time to get an "immobilized result" as a wrecked result, and only slightly less for a "weapon destroyed". The vast majority of results are going to boil down to "shaken"

Monster Rain wrote:I think Orks wouldn't have too hard a time with this, between Deff Rollas and Warbosses.

Let alone Ghazkull.

it would take 14 rounds of 'thraka combat to kill this thing.

Again, Wrecked isn't the only acceptable outcome.

what would be?
depends on your gaming style. I, for one, would want it to be dead or dying (immobilised/TFC destroyed)

Vaktathi wrote:It takes about the same amount of time to get an "immobilized result" as a wrecked result, and only slightly less for a "weapon destroyed". The vast majority of results are going to boil down to "shaken"

So? Who cares. Not like you buy that thing it for its guns. And if you'd really do care, just have Cronus ride in it.

But in any case; I don't get all that discussion about "its balanced because you can kill it with X or Y regardless".Thats not really gonna make it balanced (or not). Throwing 5 or 6 Deathrollas, 20 Lascannons, a bucketful of Nid MCs or whatever at a 300 pt. Tank is a VICTORY for the Achilles-player even IF you kill it.

it's a lose/lose. either you kill it by throwing everything at it, in which case the rest of the opponent army in unscathed, or you fail to kill it, and it kills a lot of stuff.

Zweischneid wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:It takes about the same amount of time to get an "immobilized result" as a wrecked result, and only slightly less for a "weapon destroyed". The vast majority of results are going to boil down to "shaken"

So? Who cares. Not like you buy that thing it for its guns. And if you'd really do care, just have Cronus ride in it.

That was kinda my point...

it look ridiculously stupid

It really does. IMO this is the worst model FW has ever released.

rivers64 wrote:It really does. IMO this is the worst model FW has ever released.

Really? That's really your opinion of the model? Why do you think that, dare I ask?

Well, the model is ugly and it is unbeatable. Not really sure what could be worse, but I have not done much with forgeworld so granted they may have released something worse that I simply don't know about.

In apocalypse I wouldn't mind so much. My comments are all for normal games.

yeah, the indented "ex"-ramp looks like it did drive too fast against something with its ubar armor. Combined with the imo ugly TC ... Any other LR Kit (and also the standard) looks better then this

I think the armour looks good. Looks more armoured. suits it. the TFC looks badass IMO.