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I finally bought a couple today, full price even since Wayland are dicking about at the moment.

Lord Commissar and Inq. Corteaz.

Corteaz was fine, had a little defect at a kneepad skull , which I thought was a miscast at first but turned out to be just a bit of flash, so pretty much perfek.

Lord Commissar had two air bubbles ruining the surface. Fortunately these are on the soles of his feet so no probs.

All in all as with everything don't rush out, just chillax while the teething troubles are ironed out. Seems like the initial run should be out of the shops by now (assuming that your local store is checking stock).

I like finecast miniatures, not sure that I want to pay £10.50 for one though?

I looked at Finecast for the first time yesterday at my LGS.

They had only about 6 blisters, but I saw only a flaw in one of them, otherwise they are very good, except the price.

Everything is expensive at GW so you shouldn't worry especially about the price of Finecast.

notprop wrote:I finally bought a couple today, full price even since Wayland are dicking about at the moment.

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I like finecast miniatures, not sure that I want to pay £10.50 for one though?

This is comedy gold... an Englishman complaining he had to pay UK RRP for GW

Bought another Finecast model today, namely a Cockatrice.

I haven't built it yet, but flash* aside, I haven't spotted anything immediately wrong/disappointing with it.

*What it is with people and flash?? I just kind of accept that it happens, a necessary part of the moulding process as far as I'm aware. It's easily cleaned off and made good? Not saying you shouldn't object to it, just not getting why it's such a big prob for others.

Kilkrazy wrote:Everything is expensive at GW so you shouldn't worry especially about the price of Finecast.

You can in the case of Failcost, specifically because it is nothing but a cost reducing measure made by GW yet the prices went up, which makes no sense.

Mr Mystery wrote:Bought another Finecast model today, namely a Cockatrice.

I haven't built it yet, but flash* aside, I haven't spotted anything immediately wrong/disappointing with it.

*What it is with people and flash?? I just kind of accept that it happens, a necessary part of the moulding process as far as I'm aware. It's easily cleaned off and made good? Not saying you shouldn't object to it, just not getting why it's such a big prob for others.

So far noone has listed flash as a flaw, just an annoyance at the over-abundance of it.

Please supply pics of your Cockatrice as you unbox and clean it. I would be interested in such a large model being flawless, as I am waiting for the day I can unbox a perect Canis Wolfborn.

GW sent the replacement Succubus for Aurelia, and it arrived today, worryingly, it seems according to the invoice they charged me for it. I will double check later with my bank.

They did ask for the old one to be sent back, but charging me and then refunding me when it goes back, will not be on as they never suggested they where doing so. I will be complaining down the phone tomorrow if they have.

She looked at the second one, and nose was better, slight hole in chin, but this one is fixable. Marks and such pretty much as the first one. Going to take the best looking pieces from both kits, and send the 'spare' back to GW tomorrow.

Will be quite unhappy if I was charged for the replacement though.

Flash is a technical flaw caused by the two halves of the mould leaking when the resin is injected.

People may choose to accept it without complaint. It would depend on the amount of clean-up work to be done.

Kilkrazy wrote:Flash is a technical flaw caused by the two halves of the mould leaking when the resin is injected.

People may choose to accept it without complaint. It would depend on the amount of clean-up work to be done.

This is my primary issue with Finecast. I understand their is a level of clean up, however I have seen more than one instance where the cleanup was over the top or ruined some detail on the model. If GW wants to charge a premium for an item I want the quality to match that premium. So far that's not what I am getting. I understand that not every model has this issue, but I have seen enough to not buy anymore Finecast for the time being.

Kilkrazy wrote:Flash is a technical flaw caused by the two halves of the mould leaking when the resin is injected.

People may choose to accept it without complaint. It would depend on the amount of clean-up work to be done.

So are mold lines. No one would return a model because the model had mold lines, they're expected on most models. Flash is just an extreme case of mold lines.

If there are real problems with the model, take it back. But refusing a model because it has 'excess flash'? Come on people, you're smarter than this! Finecast has enough problems without inventing a new one.
(not directed at KK, but at this attitude in general)

biccat wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Flash is a technical flaw caused by the two halves of the mould leaking when the resin is injected.

People may choose to accept it without complaint. It would depend on the amount of clean-up work to be done.

So are mold lines. No one would return a model because the model had mold lines, they're expected on most models. Flash is just an extreme case of mold lines.

If there are real problems with the model, take it back. But refusing a model because it has 'excess flash'? Come on people, you're smarter than this! Finecast has enough problems without inventing a new one.
(not directed at KK, but at this attitude in general)

One of the claims that GW made was that the new Finecast line of models would have less cleaning up to do - less flash and mold lines.

So, paying a premium amount of money and finding what you consider to be 'excess flash' could be reason to take it back.

infinite_array wrote:One of the claims that GW made was that the new Finecast line of models would have less cleaning up to do - less flash and mold lines.

So, paying a premium amount of money and finding what you consider to be 'excess flash' could be reason to take it back.

GW also says you're paying more money because they produce the "porche" of miniatures. I certainly wouldn't take a model back because it wasn't as well sculpted as another company's miniatures.

Besides, with the quality control GW is putting into the Finecast line, if you find a miniature whose worst problem is excess flash, I would suggest you hang on to it. You might even want to mark it up 3-400% and sell it on ebay

biccat wrote:

Besides, with the quality control GW is putting into the Finecast line, if you find a miniature whose worst problem is excess flash, I would suggest you hang on to it. You might even want to mark it up 3-400% and sell it on ebay

Ha! Now that's a good one!

I have purchased 1 finecast and it was the lord commissar model and honestly it's perfect (bar mould lines)

Mold lines and flash shouldn't count. Let's be fair. Sure GW promised that it wouldn't be there, but who really believed that whole open the box and paint theory? I would be happy if they were as good as the metals, but they are not! Well I wouldn't actually, I would be happy if they were as good as the metals and cost as much as the plastic. Well maybe not, because I think the plastics are too expensive too, so. I would be happy if they were cast as well as the metals and there was a 30% price drop across the entire range of models, plastic or Finecast, then I could order it online for an additional 10-25% off GWMSRP from discount online stores. Then I would be happy.

Andrew1975 wrote:Mold lines and flash shouldn't count. Let's be fair. Sure GW promised that it wouldn't be there, but who really believed that whole open the box and paint theory? I would be happy if they were as good as the metals, but they are not! Well I wouldn't actually, I would be happy if they were as good as the metals and cost as much as the plastic.

If GW hypes the product as 'open the box and paint', and increase the price to obviously match the 'amazing' new amount of detail, then they should count.

infinite_array wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:Mold lines and flash shouldn't count. Let's be fair. Sure GW promised that it wouldn't be there, but who really believed that whole open the box and paint theory? I would be happy if they were as good as the metals, but they are not! Well I wouldn't actually, I would be happy if they were as good as the metals and cost as much as the plastic.

If GW hypes the product as 'open the box and paint', and increase the price to obviously match the 'amazing' new amount of detail, then they should count.

That's what I was saying, they should be better and cheaper, but mold lines and flash are gonna happen. I can't think of a single model kit that I have bought that didn't have some flash or mold lines, I've bought some expensive model kits, it's just part of the process. Bubbles and missing parts are not.

I'm glad I'm waiting until they really get this crap resolved. The flash isn't that big of a deal, but the pockets, bubbles and voids are a major concern. I would almost perceive lots of flash as a positive, since the mould that got thoroughly filled with material before the model was popped out. Going to wait and see on these. I have liked the detail on the models I have seen, but some of the horror stories on here are a bit discouraging.

Old arguement is old guys.

Can we keep this thread for those who actually possess (through purchase, gift or theivery) Fineca$t so that we can get actual feedback and pics, please?

Images are big enough so that people can compare them with the metal counterparts.




At least 1mm misalignment in some areas, hole between back of rifle and head, gem miscast on barrel tip, missing magazine/power-pack on the weapon. A lot of surface crap imprinted in top of rifle. Edge of robe thin and tattered. Major distortion in the positioning of the scope. Pinhole in detail on the side of rifle etc etc. Thats just the front.....Miniature basically rubbish.



Same set, barrel so miscast it had broken off, major shrinkage of whole mini resulting in the cloak being paper thin in some areas. Note shrinkage does not mean crispness of the casting... Power cable on backpack almost transparent and detached from torso etc etc etc.
More of the same with remaining minis. Whole internal section of the leader figures frame had major flash sheeting ala Carbonite Solo probably 1/2 mm thick.

Dirz Wrack box from same shipment: (could post more pics but really over it atm)
Spines on arms and shoulders and even tip of helm/rivets all thinly skinned bubbles. When seams/gunk etc removed off came the detail leaving hollowed out sections with major pinholes. Hexrifle barrel the same, basically hollow, thin enough to cause barrel to break off completely. Underside of robes also had major bubbling.

That mould slip is awful...

I looked at a load of Finecast models in Maelstroms shop last week and I couldn't see any obvious faults but then I didn't open them, just looked through the blister.

That model above is truly horrible though!

gr1m_dan wrote:I looked at a load of Finecast models in Maelstroms shop last week and I couldn't see any obvious faults but then I didn't open them, just looked through the blister.

That model above is truly horrible though!

Werent Maelstrom doing their own QC checks though?
I know i would.

Had Skulltaker bought for me as a fathers day present, face of one of the skulls under the right foot is missing (looks like it had been cut off) and a couple of the skulls on his back have lost detail due to air bubbles. Rang GW this morning and they are sending a replacement and asked me to return the miscast once I recieve it. Anyone know what they do with all the returned ones? Its not like they can re use them, or do they repackage them to sell again?

Mick

Revenent Reiko wrote:

gr1m_dan wrote:I looked at a load of Finecast models in Maelstroms shop last week and I couldn't see any obvious faults but then I didn't open them, just looked through the blister.

That model above is truly horrible though!

Werent Maelstrom doing their own QC checks though?
I know i would.

No idea chap, I just had a look out of interest really to see what they were like in the flesh. I play Tau and Sisters so nothing is worth buying in Finecast for those armies! Doh.

I got a Commander Dante that pretty much felt like it was made out of rubber. There were no bubbles or miscasts in the mold, the urethane resin was just improperly mixed so when the model would stand up it would bow under its own weight.

Also got an Asorath, and he was just missing his ENTIRE AXE HANDLE. No big deal right? Yeesh.

I was totally behind the idea of finecast, but the execution was poor and this bloke is frustrated.

Mick A wrote:Had Skulltaker bought for me as a fathers day present, face of one of the skulls under the right foot is missing (looks like it had been cut off) and a couple of the skulls on his back have lost detail due to air bubbles. Rang GW this morning and they are sending a replacement and asked me to return the miscast once I recieve it. Anyone know what they do with all the returned ones? Its not like they can re use them, or do they repackage them to sell again?

They might just be investigating and want to examine the defects themselves as part of continuing to improve their processes. Also, asking for returns helps keep people honest. if someone doesn't return the poorly cast model (like, say, someone was scamming them), someone might have trouble getting them to send you stuff again.

gr1m_dan wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

gr1m_dan wrote:I looked at a load of Finecast models in Maelstroms shop last week and I couldn't see any obvious faults but then I didn't open them, just looked through the blister.

That model above is truly horrible though!

Werent Maelstrom doing their own QC checks though?
I know i would.

No idea chap, I just had a look out of interest really to see what they were like in the flesh. I play Tau and Sisters so nothing is worth buying in Finecast for those armies! Doh.

Fair play, its just something i vaguely remember.
Hopefully by the time Tau and SoBs come out in failcast they might actually be able to produce the models consistently at the quality they promised.

....You never know, it might happen