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Haha, love those Space crusade dreads, they aren't hard to find via eBay, didn't they come in two sizes, dreadnought and jumbo-dreanought? (not counting the epic ones).
Yeah, not sure about calling it completely anime inspired, if so, anime from the early 90's and farther back, maybe Gigantor, or the first Gundam as some have pointed out. Actually, if I recall correctly, the Epic box set that this dread came with also included those space marine bikes that people have said look like the bike from Akira, so possibly older anime, which in my opinion is not a bad thing.

Not sure it came with the Bikes.

But yeah, said bikes were a tad Akiraesque. But the Guard ones? Straight out of Judge Dredd.

Oh man! I must have one of these for my templars, twin dread CCW! I just wish it could be put into a drop pod.

Platuan4th wrote:FW has already said that they're planning another Chaos IA set for Tzeentch and Slaanesh.

Cracking. Thanks boss.

Ouze wrote:And, oooohhh man, if they come out with that Chaos dread, I'm on that like misalignment on Finecast.

*applauds*

@Mr Mystery
Double checked on that, they were not on the same sprue, but they were released at the same time c 1990-1991. The bike was in a box labeled Epic Space Marines, and the dread that FW just brought back to life in 40k scale was in the box set called Epic Stompers!

http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/31727/games-workshop-epic-system-6mm-games-in-the-warham

Just Dave wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:FW has already said that they're planning another Chaos IA set for Tzeentch and Slaanesh.

Cracking. Thanks boss.

No doubt!

A Tzeentch and Slaanesh IA and models from FW?

Can't wait to see them... along with more Pre-Heresy stuff!

Hi guys, yes I was talking aesthetically, although I get that the history of the names (and designs) is long and convoluted, both in the history of the game and the narrative.

insaniak wrote:It's also possibly worth pointing out that the original Dreadnoughts weren't permanent coffins... they were just a big battlesuit, that the driver could get into and out of. Essentially, just bigger Terminators, if somewhat differently designed.

Does this mean that Forgeworld are going to imply that maybe this dreadnought isn't actually a walking sarcophagus? Otherwise they're going to have to invent a bunch of 10,000+ year old heroes to pilot them. Having it as a suit would fit nicely with using it as a dreadknight too...

Dreadnoughts aren't necessarily continually piloted by one person. They aren't "made to order", the chassis is salvaged whenever possible and reused.

Sarcophagi and the pilots are stored until needed, usually in some form of suspended animation, which is why the Loyalist Dreadnoughts aren't madmen.

Fair point.

The xenos should be scared, it looks like this dreadnought can kick.

Llamahead wrote:Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?

If it does PP got it from GW this Dreadnought have been around for some time. At lest from 2007, it is in the book "The Horus Heresy Collected Visions" it an art book about the Horus Heresy. I wish he look like the one on page 302 that one crazy good looking. But again this fig.

army310 wrote:

Llamahead wrote:Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?

If it does PP got it from GW this Dreadnought have been around for some time. At lest from 2007, it is in the book "The Horus Heresy Collected Visions" it an art book about the Horus Heresy. I wish he look like the one on page 302 that one crazy good looking. But again this fig.

Cygnar Warjacks designs have been around since 2001. Saying they stole a design from a 2007 book is time-traveling sorcery!

That said, this design of dread has been around since older Epic editions, just smaller and much less detailed(to an extent that there's no similarity between Jacks and it).

reds8n wrote:

johnnyrumour wrote:... I like the blanked out bits in the rules pdf

I was wondering about those too.

Especially with regards to what else it might be allowed other than extra armour and a searchlight... ? Or more pertinently why we wouldn't be allowed to know this yet ? Wonder what they're cooking up.

The "Forbidden" parts seem to be fluff, not "to be released later" or something. Sort of like whenever a fluff page in a space marine codex refers to a traitor legion, or some =][= fluff refers to chaos, they will "redact" the "forbidden" knowledge in some way...

So the real question should be: "What horribly destructive and devious weaponry did the pre-heresy Mechanicus create for these monstrous war machines that are now too horrible for even the grimdark Imperium of Man to contemplate using?"

Wow I did know that PP has been around since then. All is sorcery their guy.

didn't they come in two sizes, dreadnought and jumbo-dreanought?

Yeah there was the one form space crusade that had 2 bolters and two main weapons, then the one form mission dreadnougt had 2 bolters and 4 main weapons. Neither had any CC weapons, but it wouldn't be hard to add arms. I thought the smaller one looked much better honestly.

DeathGod wrote:

reds8n wrote:

johnnyrumour wrote:... I like the blanked out bits in the rules pdf

So the real question should be: "What horribly destructive and devious weaponry did the pre-heresy Mechanicus create for these monstrous war machines that are now too horrible for even the grimdark Imperium of Man to contemplate using?"

Or perhaps 'What horribly destructive and devious weaponry did the pre-Heresy Mechanicus create for these war machines that FW will now look at sculpting'...

I assume both interpretations are correct. They are lost tech or too horrible to contemplate.

So they'll probably be sculpted for the Chaos Dreads.

Win-win.

Jadenim wrote:

insaniak wrote:It's also possibly worth pointing out that the original Dreadnoughts weren't permanent coffins... they were just a big battlesuit, that the driver could get into and out of. Essentially, just bigger Terminators, if somewhat differently designed.

Does this mean that Forgeworld are going to imply that maybe this dreadnought isn't actually a walking sarcophagus?

I doubt it. The fluff has moved on since then.

I've got to say I'm in loving the heresy dread. I have no kind of imperial army but i may buy this one

This absolutely rocks. Love the chassis, love the underslung weapons and really love the stormbolter in the frickin' hand!

Platuan4th wrote:

army310 wrote:

Llamahead wrote:Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?

If it does PP got it from GW this Dreadnought have been around for some time. At lest from 2007, it is in the book "The Horus Heresy Collected Visions" it an art book about the Horus Heresy. I wish he look like the one on page 302 that one crazy good looking. But again this fig.

Cygnar Warjacks designs have been around since 2001. Saying they stole a design from a 2007 book is time-traveling sorcery!

That said, this design of dread has been around since older Epic editions, just smaller and much less detailed(to an extent that there's no similarity between Jacks and it).

This has been around since 1992... Jes Goodwyn's concept art

Is it me or does this thing look a tad more warmachine-esque than GW?

I do like the ability to hide tanks easier behind this new dreadnought. I also like the ability to bend the legs into dynamic poses. Had such a pain assembling my dreadknight I might consider substituting these instead. The only thing I need to know is how tall the contemptor dreads are and where they seperate at the hip (for the purpose of magnetisation and transportation)

Have any of you even seen warjacks?

There's a pic of it next to a venerable dread on the FW page. Should be able to work the height out from that if you have a dreadknight and a dreadnought.

It looks like it has ball and socket joints at the hip and presumably a peg at the waist that fits into the torso?

aka_mythos wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

army310 wrote:

Llamahead wrote:Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?

If it does PP got it from GW this Dreadnought have been around for some time. At lest from 2007, it is in the book "The Horus Heresy Collected Visions" it an art book about the Horus Heresy. I wish he look like the one on page 302 that one crazy good looking. But again this fig.

Cygnar Warjacks designs have been around since 2001. Saying they stole a design from a 2007 book is time-traveling sorcery!

That said, this design of dread has been around since older Epic editions, just smaller and much less detailed(to an extent that there's no similarity between Jacks and it).

This has been around since 1992... Jes Goodwyn's concept art

It's almost like I mentioned that...

Ehsteve wrote:Is it me or does this thing look a tad more warmachine-esque than GW?

I do like the ability to hide tanks easier behind this new dreadnought. I also like the ability to bend the legs into dynamic poses. Had such a pain assembling my dreadknight I might consider substituting these instead. The only thing I need to know is how tall the contemptor dreads are and where they seperate at the hip (for the purpose of magnetisation and transportation)

I don't think any of you have ever seen WARMACHINE models if you think this thing looks like one.

ShumaGorath wrote:

I don't think any of you have ever seen WARMACHINE models if you think this thing looks like one.

I happen to think that the resemblance is uncanny...

plastictrees wrote:There's a pic of it next to a venerable dread on the FW page. Should be able to work the height out from that if you have a dreadknight and a dreadnought.

It should sit around 87.5mm or 3-1/2" by estimate...however actual confirmation would be nice for things like Battlefoam cases.

A Dreadknight sits around 105mm to 110mm or 4-1/5" to 4-2/5".

I'll shoot off an email to forgeworld and see what info I can get. However on a monster base the Contemptor will look pretty sweet because of all the extra space to model terrain.

Now im thinking of kitbashing one of these, with elements from a gundam, defiler, and venerable

plastictrees wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

I don't think any of you have ever seen WARMACHINE models if you think this thing looks like one.

I happen to think that the resemblance is uncanny...

Don't quit your day job.

plastictrees wrote:
I happen to think that the resemblance is uncanny...

lol!

nice one