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WARORK93 wrote:

MrDwhitey wrote:

Melissia wrote:Christianity doesn't feed bellies

Feth it MrDwhitey, I am now in a moral quandary as I'm not sure whether the fact that I laughed at that makes me a horrible person or not...

Does the fact that I laughed at it and have no problem with being a " horrible person" for doing so, make me an even more horrible person..?
...And...will I be forgiven..?...and if so..by whom?

dogma wrote:

LordofHats wrote:
Lion's aren't real. Except for Aslan. But Aslan only eats evil witches

So, Mother Theresa?

Actually I was thinking more like this:



She's not evil. She's just green and miserable. Put her out of her misery

FITZZ wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:

MrDwhitey wrote:

Melissia wrote:Christianity doesn't feed bellies

Feth it MrDwhitey, I am now in a moral quandary as I'm not sure whether the fact that I laughed at that makes me a horrible person or not...

Does the fact that I laughed at it and have no problem with being a " horrible person" for doing so, make me an even more horrible person..?
...And...will I be forgiven..?...and if so..by whom?

The Great Old One will forgive you.... And then he'll eat you.

FITZZ wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:

MrDwhitey wrote:

Melissia wrote:Christianity doesn't feed bellies

Feth it MrDwhitey, I am now in a moral quandary as I'm not sure whether the fact that I laughed at that makes me a horrible person or not...

Does the fact that I laughed at it and have no problem with being a " horrible person" for doing so, make me an even more horrible person..?
...And...will I be forgiven..?...and if so..by whom?

I dunno...what do I look like? A priest?

That comment was more of a joke than anything but I guess for arguments sake I should have added "I guess I shouldn't worry, I suppose God can forgive me if it is indeed wrong to laugh at that..."

@ Coolyo...

Wait...I thought I was " The Great Old One."..
...Now, where were those prunes again?...

All joking aside, can one be expected to feel a sense of " remorse" for laughing at or ridiculing something they see as silly...even if others take it very seriously?

This thread reminds me of Toy Dinosaur Lady.

On another note, I find it curiously odd that certain people who claim to be men of science shut the idea of God out. May be he is, maybe he is not. But does that not contradict science? The quest for knowledge? No one got anywhere by saying "That is ridiculous and isn't real".

FITZZ wrote: @ Coolyo...

Wait...I thought I was " The Great Old One."..
...Now, where were those prunes again?...

All joking aside, can one be expected to feel a sense of " remorse" for laughing at or ridiculing something they see as silly...even if others take it very seriously?

No... You're just the Old One. Cthulhu is the Great Old One.

coolyo294 wrote:

FITZZ wrote: @ Coolyo...

Wait...I thought I was " The Great Old One."..
...Now, where were those prunes again?...

All joking aside, can one be expected to feel a sense of " remorse" for laughing at or ridiculing something they see as silly...even if others take it very seriously?

No... You're just the Old One. Cthulhu is the Great Old One.

Sheesh, can't I at least be the " Mediocre Old One"?

mattyrm wrote:
If he isnt sincere, Ill eat hay with a donkey, cos i am sincere, and I'm not a renowned biologist getting the piss took out of my work by lackwits who frankly don't have the education to pass judgement on me.

Being a biologist has precious little to do with one's qualifications to opine on religious matters.

I'm sure Ann Coulter considers herself sincere as well.

BIOLOGY IS WITCH-CRAFT! MY TEACHERS ONCE REVIVED DEAD INSECTS!

Kasrkai wrote:BIOLOGY IS WITCH-CRAFT! MY TEACHERS ONCE REVIVED DEAD INSECTS!

Now now. We can approach this scientifically. Does she... weigh as much... as a duck?

If so:

BURN HER!!!!

SHE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!!

FIRE!!! FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can I just float an idea here? And please forgive me if it seems a tad naive but I think it has merit. What would be so wrong about religion embracing science instead of fighting so bloody hard against it all the time? I really don't see why anyone's belief in a creator should be compromised by doing so. The only thing that seems to get in the way is a book. It really does sadden me that many people in the world are brought up to believe that evolution is a dirty, great big lie, not 200 years ago but now, 2011! This is, I suspect, one of the reasons that Professor Dawkins gets so riled about religion. Science is certianly moving at a rather shifty rate of knots these days and I worry for the day when science discovers something that turns religion on it's head. Life is discovered elsewhere, what then? What would that mean for the 'God created man in His own image' thing? By that rationale are we to presume that aliens are 'not in Gods image' and therefore spawn of the devil? It seems to me that if religion doesn't update it's belief's and have a good think about it's willingness to embrace modern science, we could be in for a world of hurt, big time.

It was a joke bro.

Monster Rain wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
If he isnt sincere, Ill eat hay with a donkey, cos i am sincere, and I'm not a renowned biologist getting the piss took out of my work by lackwits who frankly don't have the education to pass judgement on me.

Being a biologist has precious little to do with one's qualifications to opine on religious matters.

I'm sure Ann Coulter considers herself sincere as well.

I mean, if we're being technical about education, I have far more of it regarding philosophy and religion than Dawkins does, and I think his philosophy is somewhere between the ranting of an angsty teenager and the kid who talks too much in class.

Muhr wrote:Can I just float an idea here? And please forgive me if it seems a tad naive but I think it has merit. What would be so wrong about religion embracing science instead of fighting so bloody hard against it all the time? I really don't see why anyone's belief in a creator should be compromised by doing so. The only thing that seems to get in the way is a book. It really does sadden me that many people in the world are brought up to believe that evolution is a dirty, great big lie, not 200 years ago but now, 2011! This is, I suspect, one of the reasons that Professor Dawkins gets so riled about religion. Science is certianly moving at a rather shifty rate of knots these days and I worry for the day when science discovers something that turns religion on it's head. Life is discovered elsewhere, what then? What would that mean for the 'God created man in His own image' thing? By that rationale are we to presume that aliens are 'not in Gods image' and therefore spawn of the devil? It seems to me that if religion doesn't update it's belief's and have a good think about it's willingness to embrace modern science, we could be in for a world of hurt, big time.

Well, religion isn't a thing which has beliefs, but the religions which people believe in do change; albeit slowly. In all likelihood the idea of the Trinity will be regarded just like Olympus is now.

To answer the question though: conflict, which is good or bad depending on which side you happen to be on at the end.

Muhr wrote:Can I just float an idea here? And please forgive me if it seems a tad naive but I think it has merit. What would be so wrong about religion embracing science instead of fighting so bloody hard against it all the time? I really don't see why anyone's belief in a creator should be compromised by doing so. The only thing that seems to get in the way is a book. It really does sadden me that many people in the world are brought up to believe that evolution is a dirty, great big lie, not 200 years ago but now, 2011! This is, I suspect, one of the reasons that Professor Dawkins gets so riled about religion. Science is certianly moving at a rather shifty rate of knots these days and I worry for the day when science discovers something that turns religion on it's head. Life is discovered elsewhere, what then? What would that mean for the 'God created man in His own image' thing? By that rationale are we to presume that aliens are 'not in Gods image' and therefore spawn of the devil? It seems to me that if religion doesn't update it's belief's and have a good think about it's willingness to embrace modern science, we could be in for a world of hurt, big time.

<<Ancient Astronaut Theorist. Id just say I told ya so

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Kasrkai wrote:This thread reminds me of Toy Dinosaur Lady.

On another note, I find it curiously odd that certain people who claim to be men of science shut the idea of God out. May be he is, maybe he is not. But does that not contradict science? The quest for knowledge? No one got anywhere by saying "That is ridiculous and isn't real".

You raise a good point. And yes, strictly speaking you are quite right but if you are referring to Prof Dawkins then I have something to add. He is not going round screaming "GOD DOES NOT EXIST!" While it's true that he is an aethiest and has spoken about this on a number of occasions (as is his right), this isn't the reason why he dislikes religion so much. It's because it has been the reason for so many deaths over the years and he also believes that religion is a major impediment to the advancement of science. I have nothing but admiration for the guy, he is one of the worlds leading champions of science and history will vindicate him to all the haters. Resistance ..Is...Futile!

The problem is that religion doesn't really impact science at all. There are rare occasions, like stem cell research, but for the most part these are just hiccups along the way.

Morality restricts science too, believe me. I would love to take 300 million people and force them into political experiments in order to prove some of my theories, it would make my life much easier. However, my, albeit weak, sense of right and wrong leads me to not advocate doing so. Also, they probably wouldn't listen anyway.

Either way, the point is that restricting science isn't necessarily bad, and religion isn't the only thing that does it. Hell, even scientists restrict science by virtue of being humans with egos.






Or is that eggos?

Brother Azul wrote:

biccat wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:Now I listen to a lot of metal, mostly death and black metal and as such wear a lot of grim looking Tshirts so when meet me they assume im some Satan worshipping miscreant. Im not though coz i dont believe in Her either.

Just curious how, if you don't believe in Satan, you've come to the conclusion that Satan is female.

I'm not aware of any religious traditions that personify evil as a woman, and Satan is used as a masculine noun in Hebrew.

Ah im glad you picked up on that. That was me just seeing who was paying attention. Like i said i dont believe in Satan be it a he or she but one of my friends who is a Christian is of the opinion that the devil is a woman purely for the fact he hates his mother. So in convesation should Satan ever be brought up it is refered to in the tense of a Woman for his sake.

*it being Satan...

God dissaproves of this thread. She is gonna punish the non-believers...

CT GAMER wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:

biccat wrote:

Brother Azul wrote:Now I listen to a lot of metal, mostly death and black metal and as such wear a lot of grim looking Tshirts so when meet me they assume im some Satan worshipping miscreant. Im not though coz i dont believe in Her either.

Just curious how, if you don't believe in Satan, you've come to the conclusion that Satan is female.

I'm not aware of any religious traditions that personify evil as a woman, and Satan is used as a masculine noun in Hebrew.

Ah im glad you picked up on that. That was me just seeing who was paying attention. Like i said i dont believe in Satan be it a he or she but one of my friends who is a Christian is of the opinion that the devil is a woman purely for the fact he hates his mother. So in convesation should Satan ever be brought up it is refered to in the tense of a Woman for his sake.

*it being Satan...

God dissaproves of this thread. She is gonna punish the non-believers...

And then she's going to go out and get ready for her best friend's wedding!

Sigh. When ever the whole "Does God exist" question comes up, everyone always seems to overlook the fact that in order to debate whether or not something exists, you need a definition for the thing that all sides can agree on. Well, last time I checked no one could really agree on a definition for God, thus there can be no argument as to whether or not he/she/it exists!

Ha! Thread over!

dogma wrote:
I would love to take 300 million people and force them into political experiments in order to prove some of my theories, it would make my life much easier. However, they probably wouldn't listen.

Ooo you poor man. Anyone whose life would be made much easier by toiling in the affairs of 300 million people must have some pretty hefty problems. You're not...you know....'troubled' in any way are you? I'll help if I can but, by the looks of things, it unlikely that I wouldn't do anything except make things worse.

How dare you try and bring logic into an internet argument!

rubiksnoob, I am disappoint.

Muhr wrote:[Ooo you poor man. Anyone whose life would be made much easier by toiling in the affairs of 300 million people must have some pretty hefty problems. You're not...you know....'troubled' in any way are you? I'll help if I can but, by the looks of things, it unlikely that I wouldn't do anything except make things worse.

You misunderstand, I study political science by choice, I find it deeply amusing, though it would be easier if certain conditions were met.

I believe in God. And he isn't dead. He has left us this planet to take care of it. Humans just hate each other for their opinions and their race.

Religion may start wars, but so would everything else if there was no religion. Lets take this as a situation...
There are bunch of Atheists, one side says "I love Cake." The other side says "I hate cake." The two sides will hate each other, and one day they will start to fracture their friendship and they all kill each other as it spirals down.

Religion is just a reason to fight and kill people sadly. That i do not agree with.

I've never agreed with Religion in general, not just Christianity, but all Religion.

I just don't see the need for it, it just seems like a crutch for the weak-minded that need to know some omnipotent being that may or may not actually be there is behind them at all times.

I've thought all my life that in my moment of death, however it happens, I will never pray to God to send me to Heaven.

Karon wrote:I've never agreed with Religion in general, not just Christianity, but all Religion.

I just don't see the need for it, it just seems like a crutch for the weak-minded that need to know some omnipotent being that may or may not actually be there is behind them at all times.

I've thought all my life that in my moment of death, however it happens, I will never pray to God to send me to Heaven.

Wait are you calling me? Weak Minded?
Because I like to believe that there is an afterlife. Because nothing after death is just disappointing to me.

I see it that people would be all around stronger in mind and body if they didn't have to rely on Religion to confirm their beliefs, or decide them for them all together.

Like I said, it just seems like a crutch for people who don't want to, or can't, think for themselves.

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"

Karon wrote:I see it that people would be all around stronger in mind and body if they didn't have to rely on Religion to confirm their beliefs, or decide them for them all together.

Like I said, it just seems like a crutch for people who don't want to, or can't, think for themselves.

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"

You know. Having hope is good. Its not a road to disappointment.

To the unfaithful it does. Because people haveto believe in things. Either it be guidelines, laws, rules, or a code.

And some people do think to themselves. helk i have read indepth into the bible it has said "It is okay for you to stray and think and doubt if there is a god."

To answer the OP.
Matters what you believe in.