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2011/10/28 08:09:13
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
The Lawyer is certainly just trying to get attention - that seems apparent.
So many analogies here - so many accurate similarities between the huge differences of Tolerance levels.
Simply put - dont come to my 40K Tourny(To hopefully gain insight/increased capabilities of game-play), pay for entry - then state that you want a Table dedicated to Tau battles ONLY, as you find Space Marines(HURR) are given too much 'space' - or Imperial Terrain offends you.
I would essentially say this "Cool mate - I am sure there is a room in YOUR house you can set a Table up with those parameters - but you won't find a 2' x 2' table here that I would 'move' my Imperial terrain for you to play on. So - like it, or not - but whilst here - YOU WILL PUT UP WITH IT OR GO AWAY!"
*...Money refunded - door swings momenterily as they leave.
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2011/10/28 08:19:11
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
As far as I'm aware there is no requirement for Muslims to pray in a separate room free from other religious icons. From what I remember devout Muslims will pray wherever when the time for prayers comes along, even in the streets.
The college isn't stopping them praying, it does appear to be trying to prevent them from segregating themselves from the rest of the college community however.
Remember kiddies segregation is bad wether self imposed or imposed by other parties (except for criminals).
dogma wrote:
No, not at all. Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet, but he is not held in the same regard as The Prophet (Muhammad). Its sort of like how Christianity views Moses.
But its sort of not like that.
Belief in the gospel of christ is required alongside the quran of mohammad in islam, they just regard mohammad as the last prophet who came and corrected what man adjusted in jesus gospel. He is even mentioned more by name then any other prophet in the quran, including Mohammad.
They regard him as more then a prophet, he is their messiah to them as well as to christians and will kill the false prophet ( anti-christ in christian mythos) at the end of days in muslim theology. To say that they don't revere him at all is misinformed.
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2011/10/28 09:11:51
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
To be fair if I went to an Islamic school and wanted a room with a crucifix or whatever I've a feeling I'd be laughed if not stoned out of the place.
Islam is spread by the sword according to some Catholics that i know, whereas christianity is supposed to be spread by love and thrives under persecution.
Also Muslims tend to have larger families and will outbreed most protestants (and contraceptive using Catholics) since they tend to practice birth control. Only the 'quiverfull' guys in the states might out breed!
2011/10/28 09:13:25
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
Since I have been a loyal customer of Burger King for years it is but reasonable for me to request an area in their restaurant where I can eat my Big Mac in peace.
Hey, I just met you,
and this is crazy,
but I'm a demon,
possess you, maybe?
2011/10/28 11:15:58
Subject: Re:Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
NELS1031 wrote:They also revere Jesus as highly as Mohammad...
No, not at all. Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet, but he is not held in the same regard as The Prophet (Muhammad). Its sort of like how Christianity views Moses.
Moses. Now there was a man who could adapt to changing circumstance.
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2011/10/28 13:59:47
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
Phototoxin wrote: Islam is spread by the sword according to some Catholics that i know, whereas christianity is supposed to be spread by love and thrives under persecution.
I'm all about slamming Islam but let's not exchange history for propaganda.
Ira Lapidus wrote:
It is now apparent that conversion by force, while not unknown in Muslim countries, was, in fact, rare...Muslim conquerors ordinarily wished to dominate rather than convert, and most conversions to Islam were voluntary.
I think that perhaps the Saxons, specifically might argue against the spread of Christianity by love. There's plenty of other examples but that will do just fine. Islam expanded as an empire first and conversion second. Early on conversion to Islam granted economic and social benefits that Arab merchants didn't want to allow to compete with their domination of the growing Islamic empires. Anyways...
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2011/10/28 14:29:16
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
The Ottomans, IIRC, conquered areas that were Christian and allowed them to retain their religion and churches as long as they promised to be good little territories. Incredibly tolerant for their times compared to the Christian churches of the time.
But this is case is just silly and this lawyer is very silly.
2011/10/28 14:34:28
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
Islam is an incredibly tolerant and compassionate religion, just as Christianity is. Anyone whom thinks otherwise is under Western indoctrination (IMHO) and has failed to read into the Qu'ran and the Bible simultaneously. The problem always lies within the interpretation of scripture and writing. Religion is not the problem, it is the people whom wield it.
I generally avoid religious threads in forums, especially threads that relate to Islam. Muslim-bashing almost always follows. Understanding of all religions is key to compassion and love, not the one-sided hardline Christian view or 'extremist Muslim view' that so many are quick to jump to. S'pose it's a fine job that I begin Buddhism classes again in November, eh?
Regarding the thread; silly lawyer.
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2011/10/28 15:07:26
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
Eiríkr wrote: Religion is not the problem, it is the people whom wield it.
Anyone getting deja vu to the gun control debates here?
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2011/10/28 15:21:26
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
Political Correctness is the work of the Devil. I personally don't care that there are crosses at a Christian University and no-one should feel offended.
2011/10/28 15:27:41
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
Theblitzkrieg wrote:Political Correctness is the work of the Devil.
Uhm. No.
No it is not.
One can argue that people go too far in tryingto achieve it, but it is not a bad thing in and of itself.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2011/10/28 15:30:24
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
Welcome to American politics. Guns, God, and Gays. It's all we talk about.
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Melissia wrote:
Theblitzkrieg wrote:Political Correctness is the work of the Devil.
Uhm. No.
No it is not.
One can argue that people go too far in tryingto achieve it, but it is not a bad thing in and of itself.
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2011/10/28 15:35:13
Subject: Muslim students at a Catholic university are offended by crosses
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