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http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/muslims-want-catholic-school-to-provide-room-without-crosses.html

I have to laugh at anyone who attends a private religious school and gets pissed that the school pushes it's religion. What did these guys expect? Prayer calls from a tower?

Wow.... That is kind of dumb. Put yourselfs in their shoe- nah I still can't see myself complaining.

Kind of like buying a diesel BMW and then pissing and moaning that you have to fill it with diesel fuel.

"Ahh, dumba$$, what part of Catholic and cross do you not understand. Might I suggest if you don't like crosses, you should consider some other school than Catholic."

I like the parts where they complain about having to deal with pictures of Jesus and Catholic theologions

Oh gawd. you're kidding.


but. link?


although, I could claim that saying pentagrams are evil is offensive, thee is one on every house here, its a sign of wealth in Nepal.

Hitler also stole our Swastika ( a 'swastik' is a symbol for 'peace and prosperity') flipped it around and turned it into a sign of evil.

What did they expect to find in a Catholic school? Stars and crescents? Don't go there and expect them not to be Catholic. That's like attending the Republican national convention and then declaring the image of a elephant offends you.

EDIT: Whoops. Repubs are the elephants XD

I don't see the article

Fixed the link.

Relapse wrote:Fixed the link.

You know the actual article is about a different subject right? They're not complaining about crosses at a Catholic school at all. They wanted a space for Muslim students containing no crosses/Christian symbols. That's not a silly request. It's quite reasonable. It would take five minutes to clear a room and tell them they can use it.

Ah. I'm trying to understand what their legal claim is. Its a private, religious intstitution. It seems their attorney (I like that he's previously sued the school before) seems to be admitting they don't have a legal claim. Its strange.

Sounds like a job for Pope Vader

I believe that is Moff Pope (SW nerd ineptus say: darth vader was standing)

LordofHats wrote:

Relapse wrote:Fixed the link.

You know the actual article is about a different subject right? They're not complaining about crosses at a Catholic school at all. They wanted a space for Muslim students containing no crosses/Christian symbols. That's not a silly request. It's quite reasonable. It would take five minutes to clear a room and tell them they can use it.

Except for the fact it's a private Catholic school and they're asking them to pull down symbols of reverence.

The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights confirmed that it is investigating allegations that Catholic University violated the human rights of Muslim students by not allowing them to form a Muslim student group and by not providing them rooms without Christian symbols for their daily prayers.

That bolded part seems a bit more serious.

“Our faithfulness to our Catholic tradition has also made us a welcome home to students of other religions,” said Victor Nakas, associate vice president for public affairs. “No students have registered complaints about the exercise of their religions on our campus.”

Thankfully, the complaints aren't from anyone who actually attends CUA. And then there's what students actually said:

Wiaam Al Salmi, a Muslim student at CUA who recently started the Arab American Association, which had is first meeting this week, said, “The community here is very respectful of other religions and I feel free to openly practice it.”

(from the school paper)

Relapse wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

Relapse wrote:Fixed the link.

You know the actual article is about a different subject right? They're not complaining about crosses at a Catholic school at all. They wanted a space for Muslim students containing no crosses/Christian symbols. That's not a silly request. It's quite reasonable. It would take five minutes to clear a room and tell them they can use it.

Except for the fact it's a private Catholic school and they're asking them to pull down symbols of reverence.

Except for the part where they aren't and you made that up in your head.

You should really read this article.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/muslims-want-catholic-school-to-provide-room-without-crosses.html

Relapse wrote:Except for the fact it's a private Catholic school and they're asking them to pull down symbols of reverence.

And? It's not a ridiculous request to ask for a private space where Muslims may practice without Christian symbols present. I have no idea of the legality of whether the school can deny them this. I don't think its a stupid thing to ask for and I think it would be very respectful and amicable for the school to just say, "Okay, this room isn't used much. We'll clear it for you." A Catholic school doesn't need a cross in every room and a picture of Jesus on every mantle. They can clear a room.

Heck, the school doesn't even have to clear it. Just give the students the ability to clear the room do their thing and then put everything back.

ineptus astartes wrote:I believe that is Moff Pope (SW nerd ineptus say: darth vader was standing)

Moff Tarkin is to the right.
It is pretty good editing since they have taken Vader out put Pope in and redone the wall behind Darth Pope...

Relapse wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

Relapse wrote:Fixed the link.

You know the actual article is about a different subject right? They're not complaining about crosses at a Catholic school at all. They wanted a space for Muslim students containing no crosses/Christian symbols. That's not a silly request. It's quite reasonable. It would take five minutes to clear a room and tell them they can use it.

Except for the fact it's a private Catholic school and they're asking them to pull down symbols of reverence.

They were complaining about the Basilica being there as well.
Yes, not only is it as silly as it sounds, its a designed insidious attack.

And I bet they win.

There are crosses and pictures of Jesus around for a reason. It signifies that this is a Catholic space. Muslim devotions are not really appropriate to that space.

These fething idiots. They applied not just to "a" Christian university but the one called "Catholic University of America" let's not stop halfway here. I'm sure the American flag deeply offends their civil liberties as well. They made a choice to attend that college, any rule made to remove Catholic icons at that university should be construed b the university as an prohibition of there right to free exercise. As it is a private institution and the students attendance at the school is a choice not a requirement, thier rights are being infringed upon by choice even if they had actually petitioned the school for a prayer space.
Watch the language, AT. The swear filter doesn't catch everything. Thanks! ~Manchu

Btw Pentagrams are a Christian symbol, the wounds of Christ. You won't find it in all but plenty of older catholic churches.
Swastikas and hexagrams too if you know where to look.
Nepal isn't the only place where symbols that hold negative connotations today are plainly evident.

Frazzled wrote:Yes, not only is it as silly as it sounds, its a designed insidious attack.

We can agree there, given that this has not originated with the actual student body of CUA but rather a law professor who teaches elsewhere.

LordofHats wrote:

Relapse wrote:Except for the fact it's a private Catholic school and they're asking them to pull down symbols of reverence.

And? It's not a ridiculous request to ask for a private space where Muslims may practice without Christian symbols present.

DOn't be daft. Of course it is. ITS A CATHOLIC SCHOOL.

AustonT wrote:These fething idiots. They applied not just to "a" Christian university but the one called "Catholic University of America" let's not stop halfway here.

Truly, there's no need to blame the Muslim students -- they are happy at CUA and apparently find the atmosphere respectful and have no qualms about being openly Muslim.

Manchu wrote:There are crosses and pictures of Jesus around for a reason. It signifies that this is a Catholic space. Muslim devotions are not really appropriate to that space.

Exactly. In fact these schools could require compulsory church attendance.

LordofHats wrote:

Relapse wrote:Fixed the link.

You know the actual article is about a different subject right? They're not complaining about crosses at a Catholic school at all. They wanted a space for Muslim students containing no crosses/Christian symbols. That's not a silly request. It's quite reasonable. It would take five minutes to clear a room and tell them they can use it.

Why don't you go to a mosque and ask them to clear some space for some christian symbols.
I'd advise noting where the exits are first.

Good luck with that.

Frazzled wrote:In fact these schools could require compulsory church attendance.

Most parochial schools do. It's part of the package you sign up for, not some kind of bait and switch. But again, thankfully it's not Muslim students at CUA who seem to be complaining.

I must have missed something in the article, it seemed to me like they had a hand in making this compliant.

Manchu wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Yes, not only is it as silly as it sounds, its a designed insidious attack.

We can agree there, given that this has not originated with the actual student body of CUA but rather a law professor who teaches elsewhere.

exactly. The school should sue him back.

AustonT wrote:I must have missed something in the article, it seemed to me like they had a hand in making this compliant.

Unfortunate thread title.

LordofHats wrote:

Relapse wrote:Except for the fact it's a private Catholic school and they're asking them to pull down symbols of reverence.

And? It's not a ridiculous request to ask for a private space where Muslims may practice without Christian symbols present. I have no idea of the legality of whether the school can deny them this. I don't think its a stupid thing to ask for and I think it would be very respectful and amicable for the school to just say, "Okay, this room isn't used much. We'll clear it for you." A Catholic school doesn't need a cross in every room and a picture of Jesus on every mantle. They can clear a room.

Heck, the school doesn't even have to clear it. Just give the students the ability to clear the room do their thing and then put everything back.

The fact is, a privately funded religious school is under no obligation to provide religious space for other beliefs. Demanding it does so shows no respect on the students part for the host school's religion. As far as I know, any private school, such as this, gives prospective students a copy of the guidelines and practices right up front, so the student knows what they are signing up for.

Frazzled wrote:DOn't be daft. Of course it is. ITS A CATHOLIC SCHOOL.

Daft? Pot meet kettle?

A catholic school doesn't need a cross in every room. I'm a Christian and I'm the one saying this XD How did that happen? Has the world ended while I'm not looking

The basilica issue is much more absurd, but simply asking for a room isn't stupid in anyway.