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Manchu wrote:

AustonT wrote:I must have missed something in the article, it seemed to me like they had a hand in making this compliant.

Unfortunate thread title.

Well there has to be someone from the school as plaintiff, else the bloodsucker wouldn't have standing to sue.

EDIT: That is normally the case. I don't know how this supposed human right commission works.

Relapse wrote:The fact is, a privately funded religious school is under no obligation to provide religious space for other beliefs. Demanding it does so shows no respect on the students part for the host school's religion. As far as I know, any private school, such as this, gives prospective students a copy of the guidelines and practices right up front, so the student knows what they are signing up for.

I don't know the legalities of it. My first guess is that the school isn't under any obligation as well. I'm not saying they have to do it I'm saying it would be nice of them if they did and that a Muslim student isn't an idiot for making the request for use of a simple room.

LordofHats wrote:A catholic school doesn't need a cross in every room.

What a Catholic school needs or does not need is quite beside the point. Just so, with regard to what a Muslim student (or Muslim law professor from some other institution) demands from a Catholic school.

Phanatik wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

Relapse wrote:Fixed the link.

You know the actual article is about a different subject right? They're not complaining about crosses at a Catholic school at all. They wanted a space for Muslim students containing no crosses/Christian symbols. That's not a silly request. It's quite reasonable. It would take five minutes to clear a room and tell them they can use it.

Why don't you go to a mosque and ask them to clear some space for some christian symbols.
I'd advise noting where the exits are first.

Good luck with that.

That's not an uncommon occurrence in smaller towns.

I'm wondering how many calls for " understanding" there would be in a reverse situation in which someone was asking Muslims to permit crosses and pictures of Jesus to be aloud within a specificaly " Muslim" establishment..?...or that symbols of their faith be removed for the accomidation of Christians?

Frazzled wrote:Well there has to be someone from the school as plaintiff, else the bloodsucker wouldn't have standing to sue.

There is no suit. One files a complaint against an institution and an investigation eventually results.

You can read about it here:

http://ohr.dc.gov/ohr/cwp/view,a,3,q,638025.asp

There is merely a jurisdictional requirement.


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FITZZ wrote: I'm wondering how many calls for " understanding" there would be in a reverse situation in which someone was asking Muslims to permit crosses and pictures of Jesus to be aloud within a specificaly " Muslim" establishment..?...or that symbols of their faith be removed for the accomidation of Christians?

Well, if we Catholics only need to be as tolerant to any given group as they are to us we won't get far living out that Gospel message. Read the Golden Rule the right way around: do unto others as you would have them do unto you, not as they have done or probably would do. But even according to the Golden Rule, there's no call to take down Crucifxes or pictures of popes. It's simple; whether or not some individual Catholic would demand that Muslims make room for Christian devotions in a Muslim the rest of us would consider it silly. I mean, it's a Muslim space and we have our own spaces. Like CUA, for example.

LordofHats wrote:Has the world ended while I'm not looking

Mayans and Aztecs be damned, it's LofH that keeps the world from ending.

Thanks btw.

Phanatik wrote:

LordofHats wrote:Has the world ended while I'm not looking

Mayans and Aztecs be damned, it's LofH that keeps the world from ending.

Thanks btw.

I try bro

You know... ignoring that one incident at Chernobyl... which was a complete accident!

LordofHats wrote:

Frazzled wrote:DOn't be daft. Of course it is. ITS A CATHOLIC SCHOOL.

Daft? Pot meet kettle?

A catholic school doesn't need a cross in every room. I'm a Christian and I'm the one saying this XD How did that happen? Has the world ended while I'm not looking

The basilica issue is much more absurd, but simply asking for a room isn't stupid in anyway.

Well Lordohats:
1. The lawyers knows this is BS and he's looking for a headline not real government intervention

Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.

2. The Catholic school may not NEED a cross or icon in every room, but they have every RIGHT to have one.
3. Go downtown and ask St. Joe's to remove the icons from every room and stop giving the daily prayers. They'd be well within thier rights to laugh in your face, even if they probably won't.
When you utilize services from a Catholic institution you accept the Catholic tradition will be present. You shouldn't attempt to alter that institution, and if yo do they have the right to deny you thier services.

AustonT wrote:The lawyers knows this is BS and he's looking for a headline not real government intervention

That's exactly why he went to the farcical Human Rights Commission rather than to a proper court -- which he himself (along with Frazzled) notes is actually impossible.

Manchu wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Well there has to be someone from the school as plaintiff, else the bloodsucker wouldn't have standing to sue.

There is no suit. One files a complaint against an institution and an investigation eventually results.

You can read about it here:

http://ohr.dc.gov/ohr/cwp/view,a,3,q,638025.asp

There is merely a jurisdictional requirement.


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FITZZ wrote: I'm wondering how many calls for " understanding" there would be in a reverse situation in which someone was asking Muslims to permit crosses and pictures of Jesus to be aloud within a specificaly " Muslim" establishment..?...or that symbols of their faith be removed for the accomidation of Christians?

Well, if we Catholics only need to be as tolerant to any given group as they are to us we won't get far living out that Gospel message. Read the Golden Rule the right way around: do unto others as you would have them do unto you, not as they have done or probably would do. But even according to the Golden Rule, there's no call to take down Crucifxes or pictures of popes. It's simple; whether or not some individual Catholic would demand that Muslims make room for Christian devotions in a Muslim the rest of us would consider it silly. I mean, it's a Muslim space and we have our own spaces. Like CUA, for example.

And I'd agree with you Manchu..
Being an Atheist , I've no " ax to grind" in the matter, but the idea of attempting to have Catholics remove symbols of their faith within a Catholic institution seems a bit daft to me.

FITZZ wrote:but the idea of attempting to have Catholics remove symbols of their faith within a Catholic institution seems a bit daft to me.

Well, that's because you are reasonable and it is daft.

Um, It's a Catholic University. Did they not read the sign before enrolling? Just Saying. It's like going to a strip club and being offended by nudity :-)

I have to agree with the guy that said it on their. I mean really?

My bad about the language Manchu

ShumaGorath wrote:

Phanatik wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

Relapse wrote:Fixed the link.

You know the actual article is about a different subject right? They're not complaining about crosses at a Catholic school at all. They wanted a space for Muslim students containing no crosses/Christian symbols. That's not a silly request. It's quite reasonable. It would take five minutes to clear a room and tell them they can use it.

Why don't you go to a mosque and ask them to clear some space for some christian symbols.
I'd advise noting where the exits are first.

Good luck with that.

That's not an uncommon occurrence in smaller towns.

Really? Please cite an instance where a mosque has been asked to clear some space in it for Christian symbols. This should make for entertaining reading.

Pay attention at the end.

AustonT wrote:
When you utilize services from a Catholic institution you accept the Catholic tradition will be present. You shouldn't attempt to alter that institution, and if yo do they have the right to deny you thier services.

Why shouldn't you attempt to alter the institution?

I think he meant as a matter of courtesy. Of course, if you really believe that you have the only truth then it's pretty "courteous" in a strained sense to attempt to infiltrate and subvert false institutions. But I don't think that's what Muslims attending CUA are up to.

Manchu wrote:

Frazzled wrote:In fact these schools could require compulsory church attendance.

Most parochial schools do. It's part of the package you sign up for, not some kind of bait and switch. But again, thankfully it's not Muslim students at CUA who seem to be complaining.

Agreed, it doesn't appear to be students but a malcontent professor from another school. I'd sue that SOB.

Ahh but what to sue him FOR?

This appears to be the bloodsucker's home page.
http://banzhaf.net/

As someone genuinely unfond of the Catholic Church (their protection of child molesters denies they any right to the moral high ground, yet they INSIST they have it by right of the pope)... this is full of garbage.

It's a Catholic insitution. If you aren't even Catholic, what the heck are you doing there? It's like going to an American ballpark and being offended they serve hot dogs. If it bothers you that much, why did you go there in the first place?

The busybody needs to get a hobby, preferably one that doesn't involve sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong. If the Muslim students aren't complaining, then why is he?

Bwahahaha this is the Sue the Bastards guy? This can only get better.

LordofHats wrote:

Frazzled wrote:DOn't be daft. Of course it is. ITS A CATHOLIC SCHOOL.

Daft? Pot meet kettle?

A catholic school doesn't need a cross in every room. I'm a Christian and I'm the one saying this XD How did that happen? Has the world ended while I'm not looking

The basilica issue is much more absurd, but simply asking for a room isn't stupid in anyway.

I am a firm believer in X. I support X to the point that we have started a school to promote X to the students. I expect that while my kids obtain their basic education in reading, writing and arithmatic, they are also going to have an emphasis placed on X. I willingly pay $$ to pay for my kids to go to the School of X.

Now we don't have an exclusionary enrollment policy and someone attends who believes in Y. They want my school, dedicated to X and supported by X believers to make allowances for the religious observance of Y. I feel since it is the dollars of believers in X that are supporting it, it is within my perogative to decide if you will be allowed space to perform Y observances within the confines of my building.

If they persist in a lawsuit to demand it, I would say sorry this is a school of X. If they don't like it, " I am sorry but this is a school of X and I guess you have a choice. Maintain membership in my school understanding that the principles of X are going to be taught or pound sand."

Vulcan wrote:As someone genuinely unfond of the Catholic Church (their protection of child molesters denies they any right to the moral high ground, yet they INSIST they have it by right of the pope)... this is full of garbage.

It's a Catholic insitution. If you aren't even Catholic, what the heck are you doing there? It's like going to an American ballpark and being offended they serve hot dogs. If it bothers you that much, why did you go there in the first place?

The busybody needs to get a hobby, preferably one that doesn't involve sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong. If the Muslim students aren't complaining, then why is he?

This IS his hobby.

AustonT wrote:Ahh but what to sue him FOR?

Blackmail. Extortion. Tortuous interference with a contract. Just keep him in a courtooom.

Manchu wrote:I think he meant as a matter of courtesy. Of course, if you really believe that you have the only truth then it's pretty "courteous" in a strained sense to attempt to infiltrate and subvert false institutions. But I don't think that's what Muslims attending CUA are up to.

My thinking was that if Catholic school X has catholic icons in all possible Muslim prayer spaces, and you're Muslim and would like a prayer space at school, there seems to be no reason that you shouldn't attempt to acquire one by the alteration of school policy; ie. asking for a room without a Catholic icon.

It seems no more discourteous than a Catholic student, at a Catholic University, petitioning the administration for a change in policy regarding the presence of more Catholic icons.

Vulcan wrote:As someone genuinely unfond of the Catholic Church (their protection of child molesters denies they any right to the moral high ground, yet they INSIST they have it by right of the pope)... this is full of garbage.

It's a Catholic insitution. If you aren't even Catholic, what the heck are you doing there? It's like going to an American ballpark and being offended they serve hot dogs. If it bothers you that much, why did you go there in the first place?

The busybody needs to get a hobby, preferably one that doesn't involve sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong. If the Muslim students aren't complaining, then why is he?

He's not a busybody. he's trying to get money off them.

Frazzled wrote:
Blackmail. Extortion. Tortuous interference with a contract. Just keep him in a courtooom.

Probably not the image that CUA wants to cultivate.

dogma wrote:

Manchu wrote:I think he meant as a matter of courtesy. Of course, if you really believe that you have the only truth then it's pretty "courteous" in a strained sense to attempt to infiltrate and subvert false institutions. But I don't think that's what Muslims attending CUA are up to.

My thinking was that if Catholic school X has catholic icons in all possible Muslim prayer spaces, and you're Muslim and would like a prayer space at school, there seems to be no reason that you shouldn't attempt to acquire one by the alteration of school policy; ie. asking for a room without a Catholic icon.

It seems no more discourteous than a Catholic student, at a Catholic University, petitioning the administration for a change in policy regarding the presence of more Catholic icons.

Except of course the school is being sued by an outstider.