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Sisters aren't indoctrinated in the same way Astartes are, it's more of mental conditioning through repeated exposure to Ecclesiarchal sermons and such. Just as devoted (but in a different way), but not as mentally strong (not to mention physical) as Astartes.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Unlike Space Marines, Sisters didn't even have a childhood of any kind. Given that they are doing the Marines' job without benefiting from their genetical enhancements, I'm quite sure that, on average, their mental strength is above that of an Astartes - simply because the Marines don't require as much with their souped-up superhuman bodies.
Also, ...
GW homepage wrote:As the Chamber Militant of the galaxy-spanning Ecclesiarchy, the Sisters of Battle are fierce warriors that are equals to their brother Space Marines. What the Sisters lack in genetic enhancement they make up for in faith and devotion. No one is more devoted to the cause and cult of the Emperor than they.
... which also becomes evident when you look at how many have turned rogue and/or traitor, even when you're not counting the Horus Heresy.
It is not unheard of that a Chapter Master puts his Chapter above the Imperium or even the Emperor. This would be unthinkable for a Canoness of the Adepta Sororitas.
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Zakiriel wrote:So to me that means that there can be "Sisters" doing several civilian side service projects but not waste the precious training hours of the "Sisters Militant" as they are not the same individuals.
They send "precious hours" doing OTHER training.
And you're acting like those that aren't members oft he Orders Militant aren't actually Sisters.
If so, you're wrong. They are Sisters-- just not Sisters of Battle. They are the Sisters Hospitaller (the best medics and doctors in the Imperium bar none), Sisters Famulous (who manage the noble houses, track breeding of said houses, make sure nobles pay tithes, etc), Sisters Dialogous (by far the best omniglots in the Imperium), and so on. There's also other innumerable minor orders which have entirely separate duties.
All of these train unrelentingly for their duties, and do NOT train less than the Sisters of Battle do.
Apothecaries are better battle-field surgeons than Sister Hospitallers, while Librarians know more and have greater access to information. The latter is thanks to the Astartes' connections to the Mechanicus, the fact that a Chapter is semi-autonomous and can keep the Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition at arms-length allowing them more information that would be considered heretical in other Imperial organizations. And don't say that's good reason for the Inquisition to be suspicious (although that's a valid point) since the Emperor Himself gave the Astartes semi-autonomy during the great Crusade. The only Imperial organization above the Astartes are the High Lords of Terra, and even the Inquisition has to show restraint when dealing with the Astartes.
I would say Apothecaries are highly specalised in dealing with the unique needs of Space Marines and their equipment and knowledge is for fixing them. They are (on the whole) highly unlikely to be treating non Astartes cassulities. They are therefore better battle surgeons thatn the Sisters for Astartes but probably not that much better for humans - they can do as they are adapatble but its not what they are trained or experienced in undertaking. Similarily treating an Astartes is going to be difficult for non Astartes.........not impossible but easy to make mistakes.
The Inquisiton show restraint with a number of organisations - including the Adeptus Mechanicus - mainly because they are trying to balance possible problems with causing larger ones but if (and its often a big if) they can gain another evidence and perhaps more importantly influence in other parties( other Chapters, AM, Imperial Navy / Guard, Sisters) they have as much power over the Astartes as anyone else. Exercising it is more problematic...... otherwise they just file the reports so they can build a stronger case is say a few hundred years or more.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Lynata wrote:Coincidentally, the Inquisition likes to turn to the Sisters to do this.
Wonderful piece of irony that. Always makes me smile to remember that for all their arrogance & independance, the Astartes still fall under the scrutiny of the Inquisition.
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The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Indeed.
@Melissia: If you ask me, Sandy Mitchell's inability to write a likeable religiously devout character is no fault of his own-to me, the term "likeable religiously devout character" is an oxymoron, like "fun run" or "millitary intelligence".
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
Of course, if the Inquisitor's case falls through, for the sake of appearances, he/she gets tried for sedition by the Ordo Hereticus. Goes both ways...
Coincidentally, most Chapter Masters hold themselves directly under the Emperor; Index Astartes states that Guilliman decreed that a Chapter Master answer only to the Emperor, making him equal to a High Lord or an Inquisitor. And those Chapter Masters who do otherwise are the ones that end up getting purged or going renegade.
Oh and the Emperor would probably consider the Sisters a failure to his ideals. The Astartes venerate the Emperor and disdain the Ecclesiarchy, while the Sororitas follow the Ecclesiarchy and worship the Emperor. He probably tolerates them and the Inquisition only because he needs to. The Astartes DO NOT worship the Emperor, something the Emperor wanted everyone to do. The only ones left in 40k who follow the Emperor's Imperial Truth (in a lesser fashion) are the Astartes.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Lynata wrote:Unlike Space Marines, Sisters didn't even have a childhood of any kind.
That's just crazy. They might often be orphans, but there's no way you can say spending their childhood in the Schola doesn't count, but roaming around a postapocalyptic wasteland fighting mutants does.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
Yeah, I'm pretty sure in the Schola they have a bit of 'fun'. After all, the Schola is a mixed-sex school, right? And IMO the proctors sent to the Schola, whether Guard, Navy, Sisters, etc. are the ones who are the most jaded veterans. If Human nature is Human nature, those are usually the ones most removed from the stereotype. They'd probably cut the students more slack than we would expect.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Tadashi wrote:Oh and the Emperor would probably consider the Sisters a failure to his ideals.
Indeed. Ironically, this is not how the Imperium at large thinks, which makes the Marines the "odd man out". Part of the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium. Or the Astartes' epicness as the last bastion of the Emperor's true will. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
Tadashi wrote:Yeah, I'm pretty sure in the Schola they have a bit of 'fun'. After all, the Schola is a mixed-sex school, right?
No. Unless you want to put Sandy Mitchell's uninformed blather above what studio material actually says:
"The lifestyle of the teachers and pupils is strict and puritan. During the Age of Apostasy, most of the Schola Progenium was corrupted and rife with slavery and depravity. Orphans were used as slave labour in factories and mines making goods for the Ecclesiarchy. Particularly promising individuals were sold to Imperial commanders as slaves and servants, and the most attractive became concubines for Imperial Nobles. The most physically adept were sent to be trained as Frateris Templars or Brides of the Emperor, swelling Vandire's armies with the best recruits. The habitats themselves became associated with licentious practices, and their money was put to questionable ends. In direct contrast, each habitat now maintains a strict separation between the two genders and contact between them is restricted purely to religious ceremonies. Only with this purity can the Progena hope to be elevated to a position within the Emperor's domain."
The Schola is like a terrorist training camp for kids. Drill Abbots beat the crap out of the children and daily routine is strictly regulated. Only the most zealous, intelligent and physically capable get selected to join the Storm Trooper Regiment or one of the Sororitas Orders. So I daresay that, yes, a Feral Worlder kid has had a lot more fun in his life. Which is why Marines are susceptible to corruption: They can remember what they are missing out on. The Sisters don't.
If you want a real life example, I recommend watching the movie "Before the Fall", which tells the story of two students from one of Hitler's elite boarding schools, the NaPolA-program.
Here's a trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBcPXnLR6Oc
The only difference being that the kids who get sent to the Schola to train for Sororitas membership are way younger, hence the indoctrination being even deeper.
Oh, they probably have some "fun". But not with what you may think. The little girls may experience pride and satisfaction for scoring high in lasgun drills or receiving the occasional praise from their Drill Abbess. But they don't play around like normal kids would, and all the fun is balanced with a lot of pain and humiliation.
Of course, that's only regarding what the studio material says. Anyone is free to prefer a different interpretation, such as Mitchell's satire, or make up his own.
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AlexHolker wrote:Where is that from? I've never read it before.
That bit is from the 2E SoB Codex - it contained a lot more fluff on the Ecclesiarchy and Sororitas in general (including detailed numbers of the Major Orders' strength, including how many are trained as Seraphim), compared to the WH book where the Sisterhood had to share the pagecount with the Inquisition, which meant that only the basics could be covered. Apart from C:WH having a lot more shiny pictures and less text on top of it.
And whilst we are in the process of digging up the old books, here's a snippet from WD #211, which basically served to prepare people for said Codex:
"The Battle Sisters of the Orders Militant have many strengths. They are recruited from the fastest, strongest and most adept individuals to be raised by the Schola Progenium. Their training is total, honed across the millennia to ensure that every Battle Sister is more than a match for almost any foe. Their weapons and armour are amongst the best the Adeptus Mechanicus can produce. These factors alone would make the Battle Sisters a mighty weapon in the Emperor's arsenal, but that is not all.
The Battle Sisters are utterly dedicated to the Emperor. Their one purpose is to strive for this honour and glory and to protect the Imperium from all threats. The faith of the Adepta Sororitas is unswerving; they are raised from birth to believe the Emperor is the only hope for humanity. Their pious, rigid way of life allows the Battle Sisters no room for pleasure, there is only prayer and war. There is nothing an enemy could offer them, they are impossible to bribe and totally incorruptible.
The Battle Sisters are one of the few bastions standing between humanity and extinction. The Sororitas must defeat alien dominance, rogue psykers, daemonic influence, heretics, blasphemers and apostates, or everything the Emperor has striven to build and protect will be lost..."
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- Women are more spiritual and faithful then Men are.
Women are for more in life the cooking and xxx you know?
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Ah, I wouldn't generalize in either direction - though there are some interesting studies about the female anatomy giving women a small advantage in hands/eye coordination (useful for ranged combat) or increasing their resistance against high G-forces. Just like men tend to be bigger and stronger, which is useful in melee or enables them to carry more gear, but can also become a drawback in certain situations (being a bigger target, not fitting through every tiny hole, etc).
Faith and spirituality, however, I would regard as depending entirely on how someone was raised, what he or she was taught and how strong the indoctrination was. If the Space Marines would be raised like the Sisters, perhaps they'd be more reliable as well. I would believe the Black Templars have a small advantage due to their strict lifestyle, for example.
There's also stuff like maternal instincts or hormones which may factor into the above in affecting the development of personality, but I'm not entirely sure to what degree this would influence the end result.
Tadashi wrote:Apothecaries are better battle-field surgeons than Sister Hospitallers
Hahahaha.
No. Not even CLOSE.
The feats of medicine that the Sisters Hospitaller accomplish are described as nothing short of miraculous. They are celebrated across the Imperium as saintly angels of mercy because of their skill and dedication in the healing arts.
And this while Sisters Hospitaller operate on the frail human body-- while Apothecaries operate on the vastly more durable and hardy Astartes body. Apothecaries have it easy.
Tadashi wrote:while Librarians know more and have greater access to information.
The non-militant orders have access to the archives of the Inquisition.
The inquisition knows more than the Astartes.
What Astartes knows a hundred languages, including alien ones, and understands the very concept of language so well that they can quickly learn new ones merely by listening to a conversation? (hint: none of them)? This is something the Dialogous do, which also means that they know far more about both Imperial and xenos culture than Astartes do because of it.
Squigsquasher wrote:@Melissia: If you ask me, Sandy Mitchell's inability to write a likeable religiously devout character is no fault of his own-to me, the term "likeable religiously devout character" is an oxymoron, like "fun run" or "millitary intelligence".
There's a likable religiously devout character in the Gaunt's Ghosts books.
And in other places as well. One can be devout without being an arsehole.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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Henners91 wrote:They spend their time straightening their hair, applying makeup, swapping stories, pillow-fighting, giggling, engaging in various 'sorority-related' antics, getting visited by the Guardsmen from across the lake...
purplefood wrote:
The Sisters in Last Stand don't really count. Once they were in their right minds they topped themselves.
Then we won't count Cain as valid source for Sisters then glad to see that we agree.
Its as valid as any other BL book - just depends if you agree with it or not - same with the codexes - I don't agree with the new Grey Knights codex background and not happy with all of the Necrons so I ignore when wirting my own stuff. However its still canon its somehting oyu like or not.
The ones mind controlled in Last Stand fit in perfectly with previous canon - its also worth noting that whilst Cain is expecting Controlled or Chaos Marines he is shocked that the Psyker has the sheer power to control Sisters.
There is only one Sisters character that causes problems with canon (and we all know about that one)
ALL of the many others described are played exactly as you would expect from the Sisterhood - formidable and fanatical fighters, being looked upon with with awe and respect by even hardened Guard veterans (Cain is an exception to this) They may be a bit gung ho but again that fits and they are good enough to go to toe to toe with Genestealers and the like.
Even considering its a Cain novel they don't get described as sexy young women for him to seduce (or equally be seduced by, to be fair), whereas we have had babe Inqusitors, Adeptus Mechanicus, Guard and Navy officers (and nothing worng with that).
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Tadashi wrote:Oh and the Emperor would probably consider the Sisters a failure to his ideals.
Indeed. Ironically, this is not how the Imperium at large thinks, which makes the Marines the "odd man out". Part of the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium. Or the Astartes' epicness as the last bastion of the Emperor's true will. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
Well, the Astartes are bound to follow the High Lords even if their Chapter Masters are equals to them. The High Lords are basically the same Council of Terra from the Horus Heresy. The Astartes probably don't care what the Imperium thinks about them. After all, when the day comes that tthe Imperium falls, the Astartes would probably be the only ones left standing, apart from the Mechanicus. They're the only ones capable of operating independently, unlike the rest of the Imperium. The Ecclesiarchy and the Inquisition would fall apart once their 'god' dies. The Astartes will just say 'tsk, tsk. We'll just wait for the Master to come back. In the meantime, we'll keep OUR worlds safe.'.
Melissia wrote:
Tadashi wrote:while Librarians know more and have greater access to information.
The non-militant orders have access to the archives of the Inquisition.
The inquisition knows more than the Astartes.
What Astartes knows a hundred languages, including alien ones, and understands the very concept of language so well that they can quickly learn new ones merely by listening to a conversation? (hint: none of them)? This is something the Dialogous do, which also means that they know far more about both Imperial and xenos culture than Astartes do because of it.
Only two. The pre-Heresy Thousand Sons Legion and the Blood Ravens Chapter. And the Grey Knights are the only ones sanctioned to speak the True Names of the Great Enemy's minions, even if the Malleus knows it as well.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Celtic Strike wrote: Not like they get vacation time. That's Guard talk!
The guardsmen that live to see the end of their first campaign, are immedietely shipped off to the next, and the then the next, and maybe they get garrison duty on some crappy planet...until they're shipped off to the next. I don't really think va-cay is in a guardsman's vocabulary.
Jefffar wrote:and in the Space Wolves Codex it mention residents of Hive Worlds working 20 hour days, even the children.
Only the Imperium's wealthy and social elite have anything resembling what might be considered free time.
As ever depends on the planet - some worlds are better than others..........
Whilst the Astartes are reasonably self sufficient - many of the Chapters would find themselves in difficulty without the support of the Adeptus Mechanicus - same as the Mechanicus needs the Imperium to deliver resources and maintain some degree of peace for them to operate. Everything is interlinked IMO - remove one or more supports and the whole thing begins to collapse.
I think its better to say that the Astartes and Sisterhood are very different and both exceptional at what they do
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I'd say food is something that could be dealt with during the shifts in the form of breaks in some huge mess hall. Maybe the food is even part of the wage - this is how it was done in a lot of mining camps in our real world, too. And then there will have to be time to attend to the Confessor's services, too.
Coincidentally:
"Some children started work at 2 in the morning and stayed below ground for 18 hours. Children working on the surface, sorting coal, at least saw daylight and breathed fresh air."
-- source: BBC
The whole Hive thing smells like being inspired by industrial working conditions during the Victorian age, anyways. From history class, I remember having read a lot of grisly stuff about how manufactoriums were run back then.
In some parts of the world, this remains an issue up to this very day:
"We have to work too hard and I am always tired. It's like being in the army. They make us stand still for hours. If we move, we are punished by being made to stand still for longer…We have to work overtime if we are told to and can only go back to the dormitories when our boss gives us permission…If they ask for overtime we must do it. After working 15 hours until 11:30pm, we feel so tired."
-- source: Mail on Sunday
But as has already been mentioned, this won't be the norm for every single planet of the Imperium. I definitively see this being likely for the worker class on heavily industrialized Hive worlds, but not so much on Agri- or Shrine Worlds. Not to mention Feral ones.
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The twenty hour days things, if based on a 24 hour cycle (since nearly every planet would have a different rotational period than Earth) are supposed to sound really brutal, but in reality aren't plausible. There's just no way that the human body would continue to function getting three or less hours of sleep (assuming there is some kind of transit time to the workplace) per day. It wouldn't even be efficient because the workers, unless their job was incredibly simple, would become exhausted and make errors. The rate of workers consumed (killed) by this kind of process would be too great to justify its use.
If the world has a significantly longer day/night cycle, a 20 hour work day might be possible assuming the body is subsequently allowed to get enough sleep to continue functioning. We have adapted to the quirks of Earth. It's entirely possible for the body to evolve to a longer cycle, in theory.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Indeed, more likely than not they'd have scheduled nine hour sleeping periods (with one hour extra for dinner and breakfast) and one hour rest/lunch period, with the other ten hours working or going to work. On one day a week (probably) they likely have extended rest, at least long enough for mass..
They work the workers hard there's no doubt about that, but not debilitatingly so. After all, the governors have to pay taxes, and dead/effectively dead workers don't help them do that.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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And why is it so hard to imagine that people of the Imperium don't have free time?
They work like us, live like us... only difference is that their universe is much more darker then ours. You don't know what is next thing that is going to eat, kill, torture you.
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
9 hour rest periods? Not even I get to sleep that much.
When we had children working 18 hour shifts in Victorian England, and we have soldiers not getting more than 4 hours of sleep on an aircraft carrier in peacetime today, I find it easy to believe that grown people work 20 hour shifts in Grimdark 40k. Though the argument about the planet having a couple more hours per day than Earth is a valid one.
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in your name it shall be done" 
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