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chyron wrote:As far as Cain's memoirs(Cain's Last Stand) can be accounted as reliable, they can seek some ...fun and reassurance on the side

That one was retired, not off duty.

Cain also has a seething hatred for Sisters anyway, so his information is... biased.


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Howard A Treesong wrote:They spend most of their time shopping for armoured corsets and making out with each other.

I laughed. I only know one kinda person that can make hair like that look butch.

And hint, it's not Oscar Wilde.

What's with this non-sequitur? What do butch haircuts have anything to do with Howard's post?

Well Melissia I dont think he hates them, maybe just has no respect for the combat doctine they follow. Plus he dosent like the Emperor botherers, or something. Going to reread my cain books now.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Well Melissia I dont think he hates them, maybe just has no respect for the combat doctine they follow. Plus he doesn't like the Emperor botherers, or something. Going to reread my cain books now.

He does hate them. Precisely because they're "emperor-botherers", his way of calling people fanatics without calling them fanatics.

Off-duty? As the old saying goes "Only in death does duty end."

As has been said, there is no "off-duty" for a Sister. At least if you go by what GW has written about them so far:

"Part of the puritan lifestyle of the Sisterhood is its isolation, and it is generally only the Canoness and her most experienced Sisters Superior who will have dealings with outsiders - even Sisters of another Order. The Sisters are utterly dedicated to one task or discipline and brook no distraction from their studies."
- 2E Codex

"It is our creed that the purpose of life is to suffer, for in this way we become one with the Emperor's eternal suffering. Have you not heard that those who suffer are blessed?"
- 3E Rulebook

Of course, certain licensed products such as the Cain novels paint an entirely different picture, either because the respective author did not read up on all existing background from GW, or that he just did not care. Given that the concept of canon is non-existent in this franchise, it is up to you as a reader which interpretation of the Sororitas you prefer (or even if you make up your own ideas in that regard). I for one know which I'd consider to be more grimdark, though.

GFGames wrote:The Sisters in the Cain book in question didn't actually fall to Chaos. I can't really explain a lot more without spoilers, but in my view that book was fully within the bounds of existing fluff, albeit obviously coming from a highly unreliable narrator.

Mind control by Chaos Champion...

Tadashi wrote:

GFGames wrote:The Sisters in the Cain book in question didn't actually fall to Chaos. I can't really explain a lot more without spoilers, but in my view that book was fully within the bounds of existing fluff, albeit obviously coming from a highly unreliable narrator.

Spoiler:

Mind control by Chaos Champion...

Dude... what the hell?
Spoilers...

Cain is contemptuous of them like he is of any "Emperor botherer" it doesnt mean he hates them. And i liked the retired Sister who liked to gamble. It shows they can mellow out.

That said the Sisters are more or less a religious order so they probably would behave like any religious osrt. this doesn't mean they do nothing but pray and polish their armor (like a Space Marine), but I do think it would put constraints on the sorts of activities they do. TRaining. Perhaps they do devotional artwork or illumination. They might read, or study, or gain further education/knowledge - they're not stupid after all. They might exercsie or even play some games - they do form attachments and socialize.

Also, all of this only applies to the Sisters of Battle. The non-militant orders have other priorities, and likely do much more studying.

On their knees in front of the Golden Throne praying for the second coming . . .

The Sisters in Cain's Last Stand don't count. Falling to Chaos implies a willing and knowing choice, which those Sisters didn't do, and when they got their free will back, they promptly killed themselves. And although Cain's probably the closest 40k's gonna get to an agnostic, he does believe in the Emperor though, otherwise his Inquisitor friend would have had his head long before.

Seems like their life outside of warfare would be like that of space marines' -- one of quiet reflection, training, sparring.

Sisters permanently crippled might serve their order in other ways, like tutoring recruits or serving in a adivsory capacities.

Of course, I'm sure there are differences between the different orders and there's obviously individual personalities to consider, but on the whole, I think the above applies.

Ronin-Sage wrote:Of course, I'm sure there are differences between the different orders [...]

Not as extensive as between the individual Marine Chapters and Guard regiments, at least. There are comparatively few Sisters around, half of them get trained in the same headquarters, their command structure culminates in a single leader with few steps in-between, and they can all trace their source back to the temple of San Leor, whose teachings and rules they follow to this very day. That's not to say that individual Orders don't ever receive a specific reputation, but that's more due to the personality of individual leaders rather than operational differences or, Emperor forbid, distinctions in their rules.

But all of that is, again, only how GW described it, and the chance that you have some novel tell you differently is comparatively big (as half the existing Sororitas fluff is hidden away in sources few authors are even aware of).

The most confusing part of all this is because GW allows BL to sell novels that may conflict with Codexes. Although they'll just say that '...it doesn't actually contradict the Codex...'. Well, they do have a point, as long as the Codex isn't explicitly contradicted, then its canon...like the Star Child, Illuminati, and so on, and so on...

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chyron wrote:
IMO as BL do not contradict 'Dex, question is answered.

"The following statement comes from the Codex: Sisters of Battle 2nd edition: "A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the Prince of Chaos' greatest warriors."

"The novel "Cain's Last Stand", It is also stated that an entire Mission of Sisters were seen engaging Imperial forces with Chaos cultists, Cain is also confronted by two sisters under Daemon influence."

Technically, that book post-dates the 2E codex. So it's obvious that Chaos has figured out the right recipe for Sister seducing.

And of course the sisters in the art are pretty. They aren't going to use the regular ones for Imperial recruitment and propaganda, just like the real world Army doesn't use the buck toothed hillbilly from the sticks.

If it makes the OP happy; Off-duty Sororitas suck, feth and squirm their way through off-duty Astartes, Imperial Guardsmen and even the occasional Eldar.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Technically, that book post-dates the 2E codex. So it's obvious that Chaos has figured out the right recipe for Sister seducing.

3'rd edition codex also states this. And I am sure 6'th edition will state it as well.





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There are different types of Sororitas such as the Oder famulous, the Order of Hospitaliers etc who will all do things differently but of course since they are never spoken of in the "HOLY CODEX", people like Lynata , constantly complain. Obviously, cause the "Holy Codex" doesn't mention people drinking alcohol or water, it means that they don't exist in the Imperium .

Seeing how humility and service is an ideal for the sisters I can't imagine them much approving of any off-duty that isn't meant to remind them of this in some way. Or at least make them better suited for their work in some way.

Studies in chosen subjects, maybe. The orders do have specialists in a wide variety of suitably church approved fields. I imagine a sister reading up on the right subjects would get full approval as long as she doesn't start asking stupid questions. Extra sports and martial arts are probably approved too, as long as it's properly supervised.

But the sisters also carry those bands of prayer beads where every bead signifies an act of penance for some sin, imagined or otherwise. And I imagine they'd think it presumptuous to just invent a sin to do penance for so they might have to resort to real sins. (Technically the invented sin works too, as that's lying in confession!) Humility and service - that probably means the penance won't be for anything major but small everyday things. Forgetting some duty, mishandling a weapon, thinking "bad thoughts" about a superior or fellow sister, or maybe even speaking to an outsider in an improper manner.

I guess most "sisters are hot" stories come from the penitent who had a sister smile at him as he apologized for being in the way while doing his sweeping duty in the cathedral... "She totally wanted me" while the sister goes and asks for penace for smiling in a place of worship.

Here are some Sororitas pics from FFG:






@Spethulhu

How does the Sister Famulous fit on your theory seeing as its very much implied that they arrange secret liasons between nobles or arrange marriages and collect genetic samples? These sisters are deeply involved in politics.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:@Spethulhu

How does the Sister Famulous fit on your theory seeing as its very much implied that they arrange secret liasons between nobles or arrange marriages and collect genetic samples? These sisters are deeply involved in politics.

They're doing their duty to the Imperium by seeing to it the right people get to rule? The genetically pure, the families that respect the church properly, the nobles that best can further the cause? I could even see them arranging to have children by some especially lauded hero if they think those children would be an asset to the Schola Progenia.

They brew Molotov Cocktails and Illuminate Manuscripts.

On a serious note, I think they would probably spend their days praying and training for battle.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Technically, that book post-dates the 2E codex. So it's obvious that Chaos has figured out the right recipe for Sister seducing.

Technically, a lot of BL novels are full of crap that GW doesn't care about, especially when it comes about the Sisters or the Schola Progenium.

Though I'll have to add that my problem with the Cain books isn't any "Chaos seduction" (I don't even know the details about that) but rather the suddenly mixed-gender Schola hubs, and veteran Superiors who are apparently perfectly free to toss down alcoholica with random outsiders and having fun by socializing and playing games. Goes against the very style of the entire army.
The Sisters as a whole have been described as incorruptible, but there is always room for exceptions. I like Miriael Sabathiel's story, for example. That her case is supposed to be unique makes her character all the more awesome whilst keeping the penitent / purity-focused character of the army intact. Though Miriael is - as far as I'm aware - not mentioned in any GW sources but only in Sabertooth' 40k TCG and some short story by Abnett. That every second novel the Black Library churns out features some mass-conversion of Sisters to Chaos is pretty cheapening, imo; they're almost approaching Marine-ratio by now.

But if you prefer Mitchell's interpretation of the Sororitas to GW's - it's your decision! Lack of canon means we are all free to choose which version we go by for ourselves.

No need to say that in every thread you post in.

We are also all free to condemn what canon we wish as well, Lynata. You just dont' do so cause it isn't canon (except for fanfiction of course), rather, you do so because it's poorly written and stupid (like Mitchell's inability to write a likable religious character-- the Celestian was written as basically a secular Sister, which is wrong on so many levels even if it is perfectly fine if taken out of the context of 40k).

I fear I don't understand what you're getting at. Of course everyone is free to condemn whatever he wants - no canon means no rules. We all have our own interpretations, shaped by whatever we've been reading and influenced by personal preferences and individual taste. That's my entire point; sorry if I failed to get it across.

As for my "need" - as long as I feel that there are still people who believe in 40k following any concept of "canonicity" I will likely continue to point out it doesn't exist when I post in the appropriate threads. It simply eliminates the need to pointlessly argue about stuff, which I (having been stupid enough to get caught up in such arguments often enough back then) am convinced has to be a good thing. When there is no "universal truth", fans who would otherwise be led to believe that their interpretation is the "correct one" don't have a reason to squabble over conflicting details (with no solution even being possible, as any rules on this subject are completely arbitrary), and a simple exchange of interpretations will both be more productive as well as friendly.

That doesn't mean that I or anyone else has to like all those interpretations (as my criticism towards the Cain novels or other books such as Redemption Corps etc likely shows), but it essentially all boils down to a difference in taste, and as we all know there's no accounting for that. In short: tolerance, not acceptance. That should work for all of us.

Lynata wrote:Of course everyone is free to condemn whatever he wants

The way you type makes it seem like you've forgotten this.

Necessary? There's a purpose to this thread besides some good ol' fashion stupid...Wait...Well, maybe there is.

Sisters of Battle spend their time much like warrior monks except that they're warrior nuns.

No, probably (Almost definitely) not hot sex except for some few impious individuals, like monks and nuns today and in the middle ages...More like the middle ages in that they'd probably be severely, severely punished. Sorry boys.

Of course, this is conjecture. GW hasn't and hopefully won't waste its time entertaining these sorts of topics.

I don't understand why this topic is so taboo. "oh noes so immature". It's a known fact that women with guns = hot. We all know the only reason anyone watches Underworld is to see Kate Beckinsale in tight leather shooting pistols. Why is joking around about SoB suddenly off-limits? Weird.

I'm sure something like 'dance night' doesn't exist for the AS. However, given what I've read concerning phyiscal intimacy in 40k, no one seems to care.

Unless it's some sort of Xenos.

It's a fun topic to consider given that AS are some of the more attractive pieces of the 40k universe (let's face it, everything is either scar-covered, cybernetic, or otherwise). Men will always find the one thing attractive about any subject and concentrate on it, I know I do.