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recasting of GW stuff has been going on for years. back in the early 90's(93-94). A few of my friends order some eldar from alt.rec.warhammer. the models showed up and they where bad recasts. the howling banshees looked like they were armed with clubs.

re-casting has always happened and always will.

Charax wrote:

Breotan wrote:The recasting of plastics suprises me. I wouldn't think there'd be much of a market for such obvious knockoffs.

some people either won't pay attention to the casting medium, won't know what the original medium was or prefer to work in another medium.

hell, if I could find good-quality metal casts of some of the finecast-only models I'd be sorely tempted to go for it, because I prefer working in metal.

Incidentally, one of the prominent chinese recasters (starts with M) has removed their whole Forgeworld section, maybe under pressure, maybe because it was drawing too much attention, or maybe because Chinese New Year is coming up and they don't want to be swamped with orders.

The irony was that for the longest while he was the only place you could go to get the other twin-linked autocannon dread arm that Forgeworld use to make but had removed from its site.

As far as plastic recast in resin goes, I didn't pick any up, but when a guy is charging $1 for a plasma gun, meltagun, and flamer as a set... you sure get tempted.

skkipper wrote:recasting of GW stuff has been going on for years...

re-casting has always happened and always will.

Right, but there is an ebb and flow to it. As the MSRP of the models rises, you'll see the recasts going up a bit.

This thread isn't about the fact that recasting is happening , it's about the RISE of recasting lately. You didn't used to see as much as you do now.

Since it seems like most of you have seen the quality of the recasts, so the question now is....

How come finecast quality is inferior to chinese sweatshop counterfeiters?

LunaHound wrote:Since it seems like most of you have seen the quality of the recasts, so the question now is....

How come finecast quality is inferior to chinese sweatshop counterfeiters?

I assume it's the resin being used.

LunaHound wrote:Since it seems like most of you have seen the quality of the recasts, so the question now is....

How come finecast quality is inferior to chinese sweatshop counterfeiters?

I understand resin casting benefits from doing a million tiny things correctly. They're doing more of those things correctly.

I dislike recasters I want and expect the real deal.

I got stung over Christmas by the Russian recaster.

Double mould lines different resin no base and wrong packaging were the clues.

Quick email to Forgeworld and they confirmed that he was a recaster and he was under investigation. Gave me some advice and offered help to recover my money. Even offered to replace the models if I was unsuccessful in getting a refund.

Jumped on to paypal and filed a dispute - money was back in my account within a couple of hours. Sent the models to Forgeworlds free post address - as they are collecting evidence - included paper work as well.

I don't understand why Forgeworld doesn't just buy up all recast models on ebay and as soon as they are delivered file a claim. Suppose this could be said for most counterfiters.

narkuk wrote:I dislike recasters I want and expect the real deal.

When there's a buyout at one third the going rate on a stack of ten or more items, you can't convince anyone you're expecting legitimate FW stuff.

Rented Tritium wrote:

skkipper wrote:recasting of GW stuff has been going on for years...

re-casting has always happened and always will.

Right, but there is an ebb and flow to it. As the MSRP of the models rises, you'll see the recasts going up a bit.

This thread isn't about the fact that recasting is happening , it's about the RISE of recasting lately. You didn't used to see as much as you do now.

Recasting is not rising. they maybe easier to find but they amount hasn't really gone up. before most of the recasting was done with metal and it was hard to tell fakes from reals. now the recasts have shifted to resin and the colors of the resin are different from GW norm, so it is easier to spot. I know I have bought and then later sold models that were recasts. the chinese influx is new because you can order fakes off of websites that look like a real store. it may be easier now but I don't think the quantity has gone up.

Breotan wrote:

narkuk wrote:I dislike recasters I want and expect the real deal.

When there's a buyout at one third the going rate on a stack of ten or more items, you can't convince anyone you're expecting legitimate FW stuff.

Yes that is usually a clue but this stuff was less than 10% cheaper and the seller claimed it was FW - even when pushed. He only backed down when I made a claim.

Didn't notice the Russian location only saw dollars so assumed USA.

Never assume but it looked like a guy liquidating his collection.

Still got my money back so no harm done.

Hello,
I think the most interesting recaster example I found lately was out of Russia, they were trying to sell a T-Hawk, with 2 left wings, claiming of course that it was a FW product. Now we all know when you spend an ungodly sum on one of those your gonna contact them to get the correct wing, and not just sell it on ebay for 400$. It also takes 6 weeks to get anything form her "company" ( I am assuming they migh tbe recasting on a "as needed" basis) including enough terminators from the Space Hulk game to assume that it was never a limited production.

Regards,
Carl

I got a lufgt huron from Russia, 45 day postage, but detail was superb.

The Chinese place just renewed its stock. I'm ordering a Kil Bursta tonight, and all you guys who equate morals with law can bite me

lord_blackfang wrote:The Chinese place just renewed its stock. I'm ordering a Kil Bursta tonight, and all you guys who equate morals with law can bite me

I really want to put this in my sig.

LunaHound wrote:Since it seems like most of you have seen the quality of the recasts, so the question now is....

How come finecast quality is inferior to Chinese sweatshop counterfeiters?

This is both interesting and sad at the same time. You know there is something wrong when Chinese recasts become the preferred avenue, in terms of quality and price.

Having seen multiple examples from that Chinese place I can confirm that the quality is out of this world.

lord_blackfang wrote:The Chinese place just renewed its stock.

And most of it was gone within a couple of hours.

I wish they'd release the Tyranid Spore Chimney...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:The Chinese place just renewed its stock.

And most of it was gone within a couple of hours.

I wish they'd release the Tyranid Spore Chimney...

Sorry ! which one is the chimney?

The really big one with the three towers coming out of it and all the 'bulbs' in the middle. It would make a great centrepiece or objective.

Hmmm should leave that out

The entire plastic kit sprue recasters are just using the same equipment and materials as the "legit" ones generally - just in the "off period" (the machines are often shut down for so many hours a day for maintenance, etc). They just start the machine up in its "downtime" for some FOs ('Foreign order") and crank out a batch. GW still have some of their plastics done in China, and ALL of their (rule and army) books.

The quality is the same because they use the same machine.

As for recast FW. They DID have a Shanghai facility briefly. I'm assuming that they did teach them the ropes, and the local mentality being what it is, ANY way to earn extra money on the side is a viable option, so those casters that were taught how to do it, continued to do so after FW pulled out. Probably using "test casts" as new masters. I know I've done it for work (original mould was destroyed for whatever reason yet we needed to make a new batch), so we dug out the first casts and redid the moulds.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Having seen multiple examples from that Chinese place I can confirm that the quality is out of this world.

lord_blackfang wrote:The Chinese place just renewed its stock.

And most of it was gone within a couple of hours.

I wish they'd release the Tyranid Spore Chimney...

The Chimney is the last piece I am looking for as well.

They DID have malenthropes for 19.99 each

theunicorn wrote:They DID have malenthropes for 19.99 each

And let me tell you, the cast is perfect

My question is how does the Russian and Hongkong sellers able to continue to operate on ebay for so long? I've seen them for a couple of years now. And the seller from Brazil has been churning out limited editions minis for so many years. And I believe its illegal to sell pirated stuff on ebay. So how does these guys still able to continue to operate?

Dont GW or FW took action against these guys? They took action when some talented dudes tried to make a movie but they ignored recasters selling openly on ebay.

Just read through this..and can honestly say ive never even noticed recasts on sites ..so for purely educational purposes anyone who wants to feel free to send me a link

theunicorn wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Having seen multiple examples from that Chinese place I can confirm that the quality is out of this world.

lord_blackfang wrote:The Chinese place just renewed its stock.

And most of it was gone within a couple of hours.

I wish they'd release the Tyranid Spore Chimney...

The Chimney is the last piece I am looking for as well.

They DID have malenthropes for 19.99 each

lord_blackfang wrote:

theunicorn wrote:They DID have malenthropes for 19.99 each

And let me tell you, the cast is perfect

Not perfect but damn near perfect ordered on Jan 13th arrived on Feb 17th not too shabby

I've noticed that they're starting to do Finecast stuff, too. Don't know how I feel about that. Wouldn't it be ironic if the Russian products were better quality than the GW ones? o.O

I think there's a rise (if there indeed is) because of the embargo.

Lot more sellers selling sprues out of the box means it's easier for these people to trick people who expect the real thing.

Yeah it was funny to see a metal firebelly.

danteng7 wrote:My question is how does the Russian and Hongkong sellers able to continue to operate on ebay for so long? I've seen them for a couple of years now. And the seller from Brazil has been churning out limited editions minis for so many years. And I believe its illegal to sell pirated stuff on ebay. So how does these guys still able to continue to operate?

Dont GW or FW took action against these guys? They took action when some talented dudes tried to make a movie but they ignored recasters selling openly on ebay.

A lot of it depends on where the recasters are physically located. Copyrights don't tend to mean much in certain areas (and mean more than they should in others).

If the country they are in doesn't recognise or give two fiqs about the copyrights or IP rights, then good luck getting them stopped. They'll just start up a new vendor.

Breotan wrote:I've noticed that they're starting to do Finecast stuff, too. Don't know how I feel about that. Wouldn't it be ironic if the Russian products were better quality than the GW ones? o.O

Given their quality with FW items, I'd say that high quality is a given, no?

[EDIT]: HA! They sell Diaz Daemonette Cav now. Interesting...