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Grot 6 wrote:Needless to say, fifteen hours is all you need.

More like fifteen hours is all you'll get.

I am eagerly anticipating this book. I was not aware of it until this thread but now I can't wait to purchase a thick tome of IG fluff.

Of course in the one in a million chance that some Praetorian fluff is included in the book FFG would have ended up making my gamer year.

If the book has Mordians you can bet on FFG also doing something on the Praetorians, especially with FFG being so full of former GW staff.

I thought GW decided to bury the Praetorians in whole next to the squats? Something about being just a bit too Historicals in Space?

McNeill wrote about them in the Munitorum Manual, a fairly recent publication, I'd say they are far from dead.

BrookM wrote:McNeill wrote about them in the Munitorum Manual, a fairly recent publication, I'd say they are far from dead.

That's cool. The Praets were never my thing but I know they have their fans.

My group is eagerly awaiting this book, for sure.

Johnny-Crass wrote:Everyone starts out with 25 characters..... One of them is bound to make it through the first mission

Does anyone remember the RPG, ares magica or something that involved a core wizard character, and a pool of thugs that was used as a game mechanic?



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Yep. Grogs, that's what they were called, they still have web site. Atlas games.


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I don't think that would be the best way to handle a guard platoon, but example of what out of the box thinking can do.

People exaggerate the expendibility of the Guard way too much.

I wounder of playing as DKoK will be an option?

From what I've heard from a local playtester, Only War will have a certain system going that fits right in with the whole Guard theme.

From what I've heard, they're bringing in some features from Black Crusade.

BrookM wrote:From what I've heard from a local playtester, Only War will have a certain system going that fits right in with the whole Guard theme.

Quick character generation?

Doh! I have never read over Black Crusade, I guess I'm too loyalist.


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Melissia wrote:People exaggerate the expendibility of the Guard way too much.

Perhaps.
I blame WWI. A fair amount of IG fluff has that strong win by attrition feel, and then throw in a good dose of propaganda driven training/morale boosting and the result is guardsmen are expendable. Also, much like WWI casualties could be attributed to misunderstanding the 20th century weapon reality, much fluff in which guardsmen are slaughtered with reckless abandon is portrayed as being caused by misunderstood filthy zeno tech. (or superior filthy Zeno tech )

Books like 'Fifteen Hours' don't help that image either.

Neither did 'Desert Raiders' or ' Imperial Glory'. Though they didn't have the full blown crazy of 'fifteen hours'.

And you get some stories where the Guard takes less casualtise than Space Marines do. BL books zig-zag across the line as much as a drunkard on his sobriety test.

Aside from DH 2E, my biggest wish from FFG right now is a Tau-centric RPG game. If any xeno species gets its own book, I think it should be the Tau. Orks would be too comedic and much more suited to the beer & pretzels mode. Eldar are better off for being mysterious and otherworldly. But I think Tau are just sympathetic enough to be playable while still being strange.

And just think of the dual-campaigns you could have with Only War! A cross-over campaign book called "Damocles Gulf" would be killer.

And speaking of which, why haven't we seen any crossover books yet?

Maybe because the subjects handled by the books are a bit too far apart for them to properly tie in or cross over? Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader kinda sorta tie in to one another as in they take place in neighbouring systems with nods to one another.

Only War though could very well be a great start of it tying in to other future RPG ranges, Damocles Gulf is indeed a good example of how it could be done.

I think you could do some great dual campaigns as between DW and RT or especially between DH and BC.

More detail on Tau would be awesome as I need more crunch as I crunch them up!

Not sure how Rogue Trader and Deathwatch would mesh together, seeing as they are opposites of one another: One being about making money, the other about being huge and having huge guts.

The idea is not to mesh them together but rather to have concurrent parties.

We do that with DH and RT-- a DH party and an RT party that are in the same sector, both witnessing the same subsector-wide events but from different perspectives.

Adding Only War to the mix would be GOLDEN.

Only War + RT with a teleportarium gives a whole new meaning to "Commissar Black and his squad of buddies are beaming down, take a wild guess who aren't coming back this time."

Melissia wrote:We do that with DH and RT-- a DH party and an RT party that are in the same sector, both witnessing the same subsector-wide events but from different perspectives.

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. Now imagine a 200+ page published dual campaign.

It would be interesting material to draw from at least, although we never follow a campaign exactly from the book.

Neither do we, we use them more as guidelines if anything else, especially the way FFG writes their stuff sometimes.

BrookM wrote:Neither do we, we use them more as guidelines if anything else, especially the way FFG writes their stuff sometimes.

No kidding!

Some of those FFG writers writers are wack!

The important thing would be to have professionals showing you how to interweave the different rules and "styles" of each titled game.