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George Spiggott wrote:I wonder if there'll be any women in it?

No. Seriously, some good I.G. fluff and artwork featuring a mix of the sexes could do with working its way back into the mainstream IG milieu.

Look at the cover. The flamethrower is being carried by a woman.

Whilst I am sure that it will be a rich source of new and great reading/background/source material... I'm not sure how the heck it will be fun to play if it's true to Imperial Guard portrayal as a bunch of regular dudes, under equipped, who get massed and marched at the enemy.

I'd have much preferred 'XenMerc', the tale of a ragtag group of alien mercenaries in the 40k universe (dark eldar, blood axe ork, kroot, hrud, talerian dog soldier, human pirate etc) in the manner of the dirty dozen.

Kanluwen wrote:Look at the cover. The flamethrower is being carried by a woman.

That's a fine start.

Well, if memory serves, Cadia is an equal opportunities employer...

Positively thrilled about this. Never played a game of any of the RPG's, but the fluff and pictures in them are worth the cost by far

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Well, if memory serves, Cadia is an equal opportunities employer...

Not according to GW's miniatures.

George Spiggott wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Well, if memory serves, Cadia is an equal opportunities employer...

Not according to GW's miniatures.

Yes, but according to the sculptors of those miniatures(and the artwork relating to such) the differences between seeing a Cadian female and male in full combat gear are pretty much nonexistent.

A separate core book is fine with me.

It lets them break away from the rule concepts that Dark Heresy uses and go with the ones they have developed since.
From what I remember, there are things such as Psyker powers that are very different between DH and RT.
Plus they can integrate ideas that came out of the Black Crusade development.

Not sure the IG really need their own game system, like others I thought this was a Dark Heresy supplement that was on its way.

Still about 70% likely I'll buy it thought. FFG stuff has just been really good.

Yeah ive been hereing about this game for awhile fantasy flights is a pretty cool game store i suggest anyone who is passing through Minnesota to check them out. And the crew there knows what there doing.

I'll likely buy it for background and reading, but, as I mentioned before, playing a grunt in endless combat situations doesn't appeal. I like a bit of cerebral and social to my roleplaying.

Months! Months I have been keeping quiet about this game!

I have endured thread after thread and post after post saying "Is Only War cancelled?" "When is Only War coming out?" "What do you want to see in Only War?" "Do you think we'll ever get Only War?" "Only War doesn't fit with Dark Heresy's investigation theme!!!" and now the wait is over.

Finally they announce it, so I can finally talk about it beyond the odd cryptic "Only War hasn't been cancelled".

On the bright side, at least y'all now know why it was delayed.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I'll likely buy it for background and reading, but, as I mentioned before, playing a grunt in endless combat situations doesn't appeal. I like a bit of cerebral and social to my roleplaying.

Maybe it will be more like a Gaunt's Ghosts novel rather than a Generic Trooper #234909 Meatgrinder thing?

The fluff will be the key to whether it's worth plunking down the money. It does get boring playing regular tabletop40k when just about everything can kill us by looking at us sideways. At least the cover art makes the guard look like they're trained soldiers, not just conscripts.

We'll see...

Kanluwen wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Well, if memory serves, Cadia is an equal opportunities employer...

Not according to GW's miniatures.

Yes, but according to the sculptors of those miniatures(and the artwork relating to such) the differences between seeing a Cadian female and male in full combat gear are pretty much nonexistent.

I like this point of view. I hate when artists feel the need to shape a womans body armor to show off her guzungas. Women aren't going into battle wearing push up bras. Women of the IG =/=Jim Lee drawings.

Kanluwen wrote:Yes, but according to the sculptors of those miniatures(and the artwork relating to such) the differences between seeing a Cadian female and male in full combat gear are pretty much nonexistent.

That's a cock and bull story and you know it. We were both looking at the same picture of the IG flamer girl right? Or this?

George Spiggott wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Yes, but according to the sculptors of those miniatures(and the artwork relating to such) the differences between seeing a Cadian female and male in full combat gear are pretty much nonexistent.

That's a cock and bull story and you know it. We were both looking at the same picture of the IG flamer girl right? Or this?

Actually, I'm going off statements that Forge World's sculptors (notably: Brian Nelson who also did the Cadian Shock Troop plastics) made a few years back when questioned about the possibility of female trooper upgrade kits. He said that when in full combat gear(like the art of the IG flamer girl) you'd be hard-pressed to tell a difference unless you purposely exaggerate specific features(i.e. the breasts/hips/facial structure)--which can lead to a pretty bad looking model.

I'm not sure why you linked a Catachan model from awhile ago for this line of discussion though.

Kanluwen wrote:Actually, I'm going off statements that Forge World's sculptors (notably: Brian Nelson who also did the Cadian Shock Troop plastics) made a few years back when questioned about the possibility of female trooper upgrade kits. He said that when in full combat gear(like the art of the IG flamer girl) you'd be hard-pressed to tell a difference unless you purposely exaggerate specific features(i.e. the breasts/hips/facial structure)--which can lead to a pretty bad looking model.

It's still a cock and bull story (I never intended to infer it was your cock and bull story). Unless I missed all those anatomically correct - with no purposely exaggerated specific features - scale models of Cadian Guardsmen that GW released in plastic. I only remember these:



They're nice minis (apart from the heads), I own a few of them but scale models they aint. TLDR His answer is bull.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm not sure why you linked a Catachan model from awhile ago for this line of discussion though.

It's a female IG model.

George Spiggott wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Actually, I'm going off statements that Forge World's sculptors (notably: Brian Nelson who also did the Cadian Shock Troop plastics) made a few years back when questioned about the possibility of female trooper upgrade kits. He said that when in full combat gear(like the art of the IG flamer girl) you'd be hard-pressed to tell a difference unless you purposely exaggerate specific features(i.e. the breasts/hips/facial structure)--which can lead to a pretty bad looking model.

It's still a cock and bull story (I never intended to infer it was your cock and bull story). Unless I missed all those anatomically correct - with no purposely exaggerated specific features - scale models of Cadian Guardsmen that GW released in plastic. I only remember these:



They're nice minis (apart from the heads), I own a few of them but scale models they aint. TLDR His answer is bull.

They might not be scale models, but his answer still isn't "bull" by any measure. Look at the conversion kits people do for Cadian female kits. Huge backsides and breastguards.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm not sure why you linked a Catachan model from awhile ago for this line of discussion though.

It's a female IG model.

Which is old and from a line which was absurdly out of scale.

Kanluwen wrote:They might not be scale models, but his answer still isn't "bull" by any measure. Look at the conversion kits people do for Cadian female kits. Huge backsides and breastguards.

IIRC the heads were also quite poorly sculpted compared to GW minis. There's a reason why the 3rd party kits had huge backsides and breast guards and it isn't because GW style anatomical exaggeration would make them look ridiculous.

Kanluwen wrote:Which is old and from a line which was absurdly out of scale.

Considerably less so than the male Crapachans and well within acceptable limits for a GW figure of the period.

Who cares about how female guardsmen are represented in model form you want female troopers there is a army for that called.....Sisters of battle.

Book looks great but I like to see either D/Eldar or tau get some RPG love. I'm a bit burnt out with imperial 5th edition already. Hell id even settle for a Ork RPG .

Really? We're going to turn this announcement into an argument about how boobs should look in armour?

I could always mention a certain technology and its ministers, H.B.M.C.

On a scale of Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer to the Imperial Guard Codex; how essential is this book for a Guard fan?

Chances are: NDA prohibits him from talking about it.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Not a WoD fan warboss?

The thing about he oWoD, at least for me, is that the multiple game lines made the most sense if I considered them as alternate versions of the same setting, but with different protagonists. In Vampire there were werewolf creatures with stat blocks for enemies, but they were very different from the warrior-hippies of Werewolf. Play Werewolf, and there were some generic vampire-ish creatures statted out, but they weren't quite the broody schemers of the Vampire game. Repeat, although perhaps less so, for the Mage, Changeling, etc. game lines. Interoperability was an afterthought, and not a major concern.

I'm not sure if this quite works for the 40k RPGs.

Something to consider, though, is I get the feeling that Dark Heresy might be the crudest being the earliest, so perhaps Only War is an effort at unifying them or at least resetting the 'baseline' power level rules.

Military games can be good or bad in my mind, though. Having a chain of command can lead to very rail-roady plots if the GM isn't willing and interested in having the chain of command either removed or putting the PCs in situations where they have to consider breaking the chain themselves. "Go fight through that battlefield, into the enemy's base and recover the MacGuffin" can get boring if overused. There needs to be occasional twists like "The MacGuffin is going to cause horrible tings to happen if it's recovered. How do we tell the boss we had to destroy it and not get killed?"

Maybe, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

I was always told not to judge a book by it's cover. It looks good. Now to figure out how in incorporate it into my Death Watch campaign for the people who like being bait

Strangely enough, the illustration of the female IG soldier on the cover of "ONLY WAR" does show a difference!

Alpharius wrote:Strangely enough, the illustration of the female IG soldier on the cover of "ONLY WAR" does show a difference!

No it doesn't. Brian Nelson said so.

Alpharius wrote:Strangely enough, the illustration of the female IG soldier on the cover of "ONLY WAR" does show a difference!

Not to start anything up, but...

When you look closely, there's actually not a difference. The artist used the shadows to exaggerate the chest proportions and make it clear that it is--in fact--a female.

Look at the face, notice the lack of hair hanging down from the helmet, etc.