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H.B.M.C. wrote:Honestly that never crossed my mind.

There’s one quote that I wrote for one section that I hope against hope makes it in in-tact. I guess we’ll find out in Aug/Sep/Oct.

Regardless of whether it makes it in or doesn't (though I'm hoping it does), you need to tell us which one it is.

If it does make it through I'll both tell you which one it is and the history behind it.

I would like to try playing a commissar and summarily executing other PCs who didn't do their job. Although i suspect i might not get invited to the next game session after that ><

I suspect this is not so much a separate core game as Dark Heresy mk. II. A way to backport the Black Crusade rules adjustments to Dark Heresy without issuing an errata as big as the original rulebook.

As was pointed out, calling the guy giving you the mission "Inquisitor" or "General" is pure fluff so it wouldn't take much reflavouring to essentially turn it into Dark Heresy v2.

So, I have never bought a FFG book. And I am probably going to get this. Too bad I don't know how I will convince my 40k group to play any RPG that doesn't say "Dungeons and Dragons" on the cover.

No. I’m telling you right now that this book is not a stealth Dark Heresy 2.0. ‘General’ is not analogous to ‘Inquisitor’ in the slightest. Don’t even think that.

Furthermore you’re forgetting that every game has its own specialist core mechanic or mechanics (other than Dark Heresy***) that defines the structure of the game.

Rogue Trader has Profit Factor/Acquisition and Endeavours.
Deathwatch has Solo/Squad Modes and Renown/Requisition.
Black Crusade has Corruption and Infamy (and stretching a bit further, Chaos God-specific advance schemes).

Now I can’t go into the new mechanics that come with Only War for obvious reasons, but I’m certain that they will go over it in detail over the coming months with each new preview. Suffice to say it, it is not Dark Heresy 2.0 and the game is – and I can’t believe this needs to be said – rooted firmly in the organisational structures of the Imperial Guard (as one might expect from a game that deals exclusively with the Imperial Guard).

This game has as much to do with Dark Heresy as the other three 40K RPG’s, and it’s not an ‘update’ to anything. And for anyone looking at the various character classes that they’ve revealed (Guardsman, Storm Trooper, Commissar, Priest, Tech-Priest, Psyker) and is thinking “Well all of them are in DH!” well, yeah, most of them are in RT as well (Confessor, Explorator, Arch Militant, Astropath, etc.) and that’s obviously not a ‘stealth update’ to DH now is it?

***And technically once Book of Judgement hit, Dark Heresy got its investigation rules. Were I re-doing Dark Heresy as a 2.0 I’d put them in the Core Rulebook.

So H.B.M.C, can you comment on if it has special large scale battle rules?

Personally, I'm doing the happy dance. I think I can get a lot out of a guard style game. Just look at the Cain books. I'm already picturing the campaign setting concept. A battered veteran regiment that earns garrison duty on a theoretically peaceful world......

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Someone said to me that Baneblades have no place in Dark Heresy. They were absolutely right. Maybe, if we’re lucky, they will find a home in Only War.

Really? They have no place? Cause my DH group found an excuse to use one last sunday

I guess thats what happens though...our GM decided to begin an all-out Chaos invasion of the planet we were on at the time.

You may be right. I thought that full-scale combat didn’t really belong in Dark Heresy, then I played the first section of The Chaos Commandment and it completely changed my point of view.

Of course, with Only War, playing the other side of that conflict would be interesting – rather than a group of Acolytes tagging along with a company of Guardsmen, you’re the Officer (and a few other important people) escorting a group of Inquisitorial Agents across a warzone. Same scenario, just played from a different angle. Could be fun!


Insurgency Walker - Honestly? I don't know. I have no clue as to what the final state of the mass combat rules look like, or even if there are any. I presume there are, but I have to hold my hands up to ignorance here. I have not seen the final book so I don't know what's in it or in what form.

This sounds like such a neat thing..

Congrats HBMC!

I also gotta wonder.. does character creation have anything in common with the original Traveller RPG? Is there a chance that your character will fail to make it thru Basic Training and just flat out die?

Would be true to the setting, if not terribly frustrating!

I'm getting it just for the fluff value.

Kanluwen wrote:It means I'm right, by virtue of being right!

Or something like that, aye Brook?

Uh, dube, just look at the armor. Stop focusing on the shadow and look at the left side. You know, the part where you can clearly see the curved form of the armor. You know, the curved form that the male IG flak armor does not have. That one?

Not a question to the writers, but rather a silly hope in general: I do hope that the fluff is discussed is more of the good old Pete Haines/Andy Chambers codex and not the Arby variant, where Guardsmen are stupid and need to be shouted at a lot.

I don't think I'm giving anything away saying Andy Chambers was involved in this book. I mean he works with FFG now (he's doing the DUST Warfare stuff), so that's no secret.

Andy? To say the least, this pleases me.

edit.

Loved Battlefleet Koronus, so this will be a keeper.

I am so happy that it turned to be separate game instead DW book and it has best cover from all corebooks.

Dark Heresy, not Deathwatch.

For the love of god, lets take the discussion of female Guardsmen and the lack therof to their own thread.

So, on-topic. I never played these sorts of games. Is it more like, say, dungeons and dragons where the focus is on a narrative and telling stories? Or is it more like, say, Arkham Horror (which have played)?

More the former than the latter. They're PnP table top RPG's.

I wonder, will I also get XP from my donkey-cave GM for properly roleplaying guard duty?

Then again, with the options listed in the article I kinda feel a dirty dozen sort of vibe coming up in me.

I'm so excited I could cry.

I love 40k rpg. I love IG.

As for female guard, there was the special games day release female commissar. Though the stupid bint is wearing a stupid corset.

There are ways to make female guard that don't have inappropriate clothing and are overly endowed. I may do a platoon of them one day but for my Black Crusade character (a female guardsman) we used Cadian legs, a DEladar torso and head, and painted her in standard Cadian colours (please excuse the lack of face, the Chaos Gods obviously didn't want her image shown):



Can it be out now?! NOW!!

<weeps>

Personally I'd either use kapitan Ivanka from Raging Heroes (below) or that female commissar from that french site I can't remember from the top of my head.



Myessss, commissar McBigscabbard would make for an excellent GM character, perhaps a bit harsh, but the perfect character to force the PC's into doing things they might.. not.. do.. otherwise..

Rogue Trader has Profit Factor/Acquisition and Endeavours.
Deathwatch has Solo/Squad Modes and Renown/Requisition.
Black Crusade has Corruption and Infamy (and stretching a bit further, Chaos God-specific advance schemes).

And compacts? (in place or endeavours in RT, I mean).

All the games have a very different feel. All are on a different level. All do different things, even if you can play similar-ish classes and concepts. So you can play a ex-Guard combat PC in BC, RT and DH. But you're not playing an actual active Guardsman. Here you can, you can really do your funky thing, if that's what you wanna play. I think it's an awesome idea, and it prevents people playing bastardised versions of the kinda character they really wanna play because FFG have provided an outlet for it.

And for those who seemed to be sarcastically suggesting "what next, xeno outside of RT?"

Well, why not? Seriously why not? Those of us who play Imperial armies get all the fluff lovin'. Round out the other races more, lots of damn good fluff comes out of the FFG RPG books. Tau, Orks, Eldar would make great RPG PCs. The only ones I don't think would be viable would be 'nids and Necrons. I've kinda been expecting those games to come out for a while.

<gets down off soap box>

Aliens are a hard subject to tackle, just look at how long it took BL to get proper Eldar novels out there that are great sources of information about the subject.

But plenty of other RPGs have done it. It shouldn't be that hard. They've already got a strong, strong basis to work from with 40k universe. And I really dont get why it took so long to get the Eldar books out there by BL.

I'm Guard player through and through, for the Emperor and all that, my loyalty doesn't waver (except when playing BC of course). But I want my non-Imperial playing mates to get as much out the universe as I do.

40k is easier to tell and explain from an Imperial stand point, just look at the Imperial Armour books.

Anyway, back on topic, Baneblades might a bit too overkill, but a Leman Russ sounds like fun.

I play DH, and buy other FFG 40K books purely for the fluff. Glad to hear this one may be worth purchasing on that basis!

One question: if the other Warhammer games ascend on a spectrum of bad-assery of player characters from DH to RT to Deathwatch/Black Crusade, where will Only War fall on the spectrum. Will players be grunts/acolytes (etc.), or mid-tier operatives (etc.), or super-heroic space marines (etc.)?

BrookM wrote:Anyway, back on topic, Baneblades might a bit too overkill, but a Leman Russ sounds like fun.

Who says either are in the book?

First thing my b/f said when I told him about IG RPG was "can I play a leman russ?"

It's nice that he attributes human aspects to tanks... but they're not alive sadly.