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KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Amaya wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.

So you like the Mass Effect 3 endings and dislike Babylon 5? I think it's safe to say you have terrible taste in science fiction.

Right back at ya, buddy.

Yeah, I thank you for all those wonderful comic conversations KC, but I'm with Amaya on this one.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Enterprise spoiler, no really, it's a spoiler, seriously.

You were warned.

Spoiler:

It's all Riker's holodeck program.

Yeah.

That's how they end the last episode.

Computer end program.

Really? Man, I just need to see that!

Hordini wrote:Also, there are people who get headaches in the Star Trek universe.

Fixed that for you.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It would be a cool story with a pre-borg invasion captain and a post-borg 1st officer clashing over the soul of Star Fleet.

That does sound like a great story. Did anyone ever read all those expanded universe novels and comics? I think they're doing a lot with the TNG and DS9 crews.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So, B5 Crusade. Worth watching or not?

No. I watched it a few years ago right after Bab5 and thought it was terrible.
Can't remember why though.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Has the human race ever created anything with more pure geeky joy than Trials and Tribble-ations?

Spoiler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m8g7y7jsos

No.

No one ever has.

It's the ultimate love letter to Star Trek.

I always felt that Deep Space 9 (although quite watchable) reminded me of Coronation Street, but in space. It wasn't until Season 4 onwards that it seemed to really pull together with what seemed like a proper storyline rather than a mishmash of random episodes.

As for Babylon 5, I bought the box set many years ago and have never regretted it. One of the best storylines from start to finish you could ever hope for.

Well season 5 was a disappointment, a prolonged stall and delay of the war we've been promised for several seasons.

But the ending and the Season 6 opening was worth it.

If you've not seen it...



Awesome.

Seriously if you're looking to jump in this is a great place.

OK, Super Doctor Intelligence Powers Bashir is really annoying.

Though the episode is clever.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Well season 5 was a disappointment, a prolonged stall and delay of the war we've been promised for several seasons.

But the ending and the Season 6 opening was worth it.

If you've not seen it...

Spoiler:

Season 5 ends with them losing the station to the Dominion/Cardasians and the Defiant leaving to join a HUGE Federation/Klingon fleet and vows of revenge.

Season 6 opens with the same fleet limping home, ships on fire, ships half destroyed.

Awesome.

Seriously if you're looking to jump in this is a great place.

You weren't kidding about that Enterprise ending Kyoto.

If I would've watched this show from start to finish back when it aired, I wouldn't know what to make of that scene.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:OK, Super Doctor Intelligence Powers Bashir is really annoying.

Though the episode is clever.

There are two characters from shows that I watched that I will skip through an episode to avoid. Bashir from DS9 and Baltar from BSG (OK, so Nerys is also annoying, and so was Kai Wynn.)

There's a reason that both Bashir and Baltar from BSG are both annoying, though.
It's in the blood. The actors are related - they're cousins or something.

Sisko's on a mission to go no bloody place
He loiters on a space station above Bajoran space
The wormhole's opened up and now they come from near and far
We'll keep the booze but please send back the fething Jem-hadar

-- Voltaire, "USS Make gak Up"

Least I hope I'm thinking of the right show.

Well season 6 is done, now for 7 the last season.

I think I figured out what the problem was, they were making far too many episodes. They were doing the standard 26 episode season when really they only had the budget, time and ideas for half that. So pretty much by the end of the teaster I can spot what's padding and what's a 'real' episode.

When they are on they are on, ships blowing up by the dozen, fate of the universe at stake... cool stuff. When they're not... it's all Molly time travel shennanigans, or sitting around listening to the radio.

Haven't decided about the hologram lounge singer yet. He's kind of being rammed down our throats with everyone saying how awesome he is, but then again I love the songs and it changes the tone of the series so I can let him pass.

Of course some of the real episodes are misses. Dax's death is terribad. (oh yeah, spoiler) First off they bring in the Pah'Wraiths another supernatural group that comes out of nowhere and poor Dax dies of red special effects. And her death accomplished nothing, she walks out of a doorway, gets zapped, dies.

Already liking Pixie Dax though. Much less Mary Suey.

EDIT-OK, this is annoying, so all the men on DS9 were so love with Dax they're taking off on a suicide mission to honor her memory. Worf OK, he's her husband and crazy like that, Bashir, sure why not, he's an arrogant prick, O'Brien?? well he's a stand up guy and isn't going to let his buddies march off to die. Quark!!! Seriously? And they let him come? I guess I should be happy they didn't throw in Morn, Garak and Odo too.

26 episodes in a season. They don't make 'em like that anymore, that's for sure.

Yeah but only 13 good ones on average.

So... we got a Mary Sue hologram but I like the music so I can deal with him.

And now Sisko is planning his retirement home. Can I bet he's going to die?

Well I finished season 7 and well... it's good but disappointing.

Some thoughts...

Pixie Chick Dax-The best change in the 7th season, the polar opposite of the uber competent Jadzia Dax, neurotic, nervous, eccentric, another solid flawed character for the mix.

The Shapeshifters/Founders - Uh, what happened to them? Yeah, yeah, plague and stuff but they go from being a major scary threat who've infiltrated Starfleet and the Klingons to being one middle aged lady with a skin condition. Not a good send off for them. They should have at least mentioned somewhere that Starfleet found a way to identify them.

The Breen - Huh? No seriously huh? They come out of nowhere, can disable any ship with their superweapon, are all 'mysterious' and stuff... they seem like a Mary Sue enemy. Just random 'cool' traits rolled together. Except they're all wearing Princess Leia's bounty hunter helmet. After the Founders, Cardassians and Jem Hadar they're just not impressive.

Vic Fontaine - Torn on this one. Like the Breen he's a Mary Sue, a cool Tony Bennett/Frank Sinatra kind of guy, who's also smarter than any other hologram and solves everyone's problems. But he mostly works. And I liked the music. So he was OK.

Fun Episodes - One thing they got right was the need for fun among the galactic war. Jazz, baseball, casino heists, even the Ferengi episodes all kicked into this.

Quark's ending - Rom becomes Nagus, he's stuck in the bar. Awesome.

Kai Wynn and Gul Dukat - Old people having sex. But then again awesome villain team up. Except for...

Pah Wraiths - WTF, no seriously WTF. Totally generic demon dudes living in a fiery hell cave who do nothing remotely evil except kill Dax. What was the point of them? Was an intergalactic war not enough? Even in the last episode it felt like we were done, the Dominion was beaten, it was party time and then Sisko goes off to fight the Pah Wraiths just because.

O'Brien's ending - wow his kids and wife make it out alive, I would never have figured that. Cheers to the most successful Red Shirt (well technically a Yellow Belly) in Trek history.

Odo's ending - pretty much how it had to end. Well done.

Garak's ending - Great character but sort of a generic ending.

Worf's ending - Ambassador Worf? Cool. Michael Dorn was great through the whole series.

Bashir's ending - aw he gets the girl.

Bajor/Kira's ending - Uh guys in episode one you said Sisko's mission was to get Bajor into the Federation. It almost makes it but Sisko goes nuts. Would have been nice to end on Bajor entering the Federation.

Sisko's ending - Geeze once he started planning his retirement home I knew it was over. But still, after all that 'you will only know sorrow' stuff it boils down he has to live in the wormhole for a while but might be back any time. Lame.

Overall - A 4 of 5 stars, and a high 4 at that. Fantastic work by the supporting cast. It's interesting how many of them (O'Brien, Quark, Garak) were originally one shot characters who made it to the top through sheer talent. Not up to the level of the BSG reboot (which shared producer Roger Moore) or it's contemporary Babylon 5 but certainly a solid, solid show. The best of Star Trek.

I'll post my list of essential episodes later.

Much of the ending of the series annoyed me. Especially the Sisko wormhole limbo.

Way to pay back your series hero.

I actually liked the breen though, especially their asymmetrical ships. I also approved of them just living in isolation then deciding out of the blue to just hop onto the dominion success train to conquer the quadrant.

I liked the irony of how Cardassia got a taste of its own medicine with an attempted genocide inflicted upon them by their "allies".