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And it has Lyta Alexander, greatest telepath ever.

Excuse me while I mind control the entire market place.

purplefood wrote:

Amaya wrote:

purplefood wrote:KK didn't actually insult him though...

He sarcastically implied that the guy didn't know what the feth he was talking about because B5 came out a year after DS9. I consider that unnecessarily rude.

Everything is relative...
Sarcasm can seem harsh at times but it isn't necessarily an insult.

Lets all chill now yes?

Surely we can all agree the Ferengi should have been the most annoying thing on DS9 but somehow Quark's performance kept them tolerable. It's really an amazing job.

And how does the guy who plays Odo do such a good job under what must be a pancake of makeup?

In addition to Quark being excellent, I thought Rom and Nog were pretty solid as well.

Odo's character is pretty dry, but that works for him. He doesn't need to show a lot of emotion.

I think the relationship between Odo and Quark is one of the best parts of the show. It's like they're both friends in a weird way, but neither of them would ever admit it.

Also, Garak is an awesome character.

DS9 - my favourite thing that the Star Trek universe ever produced.

I watch this series once or so a year from front to back. The political relations, and character relationships never get old for me.

Also from what I have seen of other Star trek, this show by far has the most really good characters, and my opinion, some of the best.

Quark
Garak
Sisko
Dukat
Vic Fontaine
Quarks wives / ex girlfriends. I can not remember eithers name off hand, but House of Quark is my favourite episode

Amaya wrote:Star Trek TOS and TNG are pretty decent shows and I don't care much either way concerning Voyager. IMO, the best of Star Trek is Wrath of Khan, The Undiscovered Country and DS9 because they're willing to move out of the perfect future and deal with morally gray/darker issues especially in TUC and DS9.

Yes!

I play rugby with someone that looks like Odo. Man he's an ugly.

The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.
Anyways, KK DS9 actually gets better with each season and one of the best giant, galactic wars ever if you're into that kinda thing.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.
Anyways, KK DS9 actually gets better with each season and one of the best giant, galactic wars ever if you're into that kinda thing.

So you like the Mass Effect 3 endings and dislike Babylon 5? I think it's safe to say you have terrible taste in science fiction.

Amaya wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.
Anyways, KK DS9 actually gets better with each season and one of the best giant, galactic wars ever if you're into that kinda thing.

So you like the Mass Effect 3 endings and dislike Babylon 5? I think it's safe to say you have terrible taste in science fiction.

Right back at ya, buddy.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.
Anyways, KK DS9 actually gets better with each season and one of the best giant, galactic wars ever if you're into that kinda thing.

Did you watch Season 2 or stop at Season 1? Season 1 is just getting going with a lot of mediocrte standalones. The show doesn't start to rock hard until it goes all LOTR like.

Frazzled wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.
Anyways, KK DS9 actually gets better with each season and one of the best giant, galactic wars ever if you're into that kinda thing.

Did you watch Season 2 or stop at Season 1? Season 1 is just getting going with a lot of mediocrte standalones. The show doesn't start to rock hard until it goes all LOTR like.

I watched the entire thing actually. I'm not saying it's horrible, there just isn't much to it. Season 4 has the most going on (but still has uneven pacing). Season 5 is unwatchable. I think their original plan may have been to divide up all those storylines from season 4 into season 5 but hreat of cancellation may have rushed them.

That is exactly the case.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.
Anyways, KK DS9 actually gets better with each season and one of the best giant, galactic wars ever if you're into that kinda thing.

Did you watch Season 2 or stop at Season 1? Season 1 is just getting going with a lot of mediocrte standalones. The show doesn't start to rock hard until it goes all LOTR like.

I watched the entire thing actually. I'm not saying it's horrible, there just isn't much to it. Season 4 has the most going on (but still has uneven pacing). Season 5 is unwatchable. I think their original plan may have been to divide up all those storylines from season 4 into season 5 but hreat of cancellation may have rushed them.

Yup, DS9 never really had much of a true story arc...
Until Babylon 5 wiped the floor with them at the Hugos that one year!

If you're a Treakie, then DS9 is easily the best series they ever produced, even Star Trek space combat is laughably comical in it's entirety!
If you want a show that feels epic and has a deeper storyline going with some real cloak & dagger moments and big surprises, Babylon 5 is where it's at!

Experiment 626 wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.
Anyways, KK DS9 actually gets better with each season and one of the best giant, galactic wars ever if you're into that kinda thing.

Did you watch Season 2 or stop at Season 1? Season 1 is just getting going with a lot of mediocrte standalones. The show doesn't start to rock hard until it goes all LOTR like.

I watched the entire thing actually. I'm not saying it's horrible, there just isn't much to it. Season 4 has the most going on (but still has uneven pacing). Season 5 is unwatchable. I think their original plan may have been to divide up all those storylines from season 4 into season 5 but hreat of cancellation may have rushed them.

Yup, DS9 never really had much of a true story arc...
Until Babylon 5 wiped the floor with them at the Hugos that one year!

If you're a Treakie, then DS9 is easily the best series they ever produced, even Star Trek space combat is laughably comical in it's entirety!
If you want a show that feels epic and has a deeper storyline going with some real cloak & dagger moments and big surprises, Babylon 5 is where it's at!

Can't agree with that. Star Trek especially DS9 has many good battles. B5 almost had a good fight when they retook earth...but then it didn't.
The political intrigue is DS9 was much more interesting too.

Amaya wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The internet tricked me into watching Babylon 5. I'll never get all those hours back it has barely one watchable season. I'll never trust the internet again.
Anyways, KK DS9 actually gets better with each season and one of the best giant, galactic wars ever if you're into that kinda thing.

So you like the Mass Effect 3 endings and dislike Babylon 5? I think it's safe to say you have terrible taste in science fiction.

Not at all. Clearly he likes DS9. That alone ensures that he has impeccable taste. And, as a human who likes DS9, he's got immunity* for a few quirks to his taste.

As long as he likes DS9.

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DS9 was, by far, my favorite star trek. Garak was straight out of a Le Carre novel. Odo was always watchable. Quark was amazing.

It was not in the same storytelling league as B5 however. That series was peerless. G'Kar and Londo were the most watchable odd couple ever, both Jurasik and Katsulas were just amazing to watch as their characters evolved.

I used to have a saying, a next gen filler episode involved Troi having a headache, a B5 filler episode had a race go extinct.

Also, feck the dominion, we have these guys.



What do you want?

Who are you?
Why are you here?
Where are you going?

I honestly think B5 is simply too deep for people or they think it comes off as overly pretentious, which I can understand somewhat.

I've been working through Enterprise, but I think I'll do DS9 next. Never seen more then a few episodes of it, so it'll mostly be pretty new for me.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:DS9 was, by far, my favorite star trek. Garak was straight out of a Le Carre novel. Odo was always watchable. Quark was amazing.

It was not in the same storytelling league as B5 however. That series was peerless. G'Kar and Londo were the most watchable odd couple ever, both Jurasik and Katsulas were just amazing to watch as their characters evolved.

I used to have a saying, a next gen filler episode involved Troi having a headache, a B5 filler episode had a race go extinct.

Also, feck the dominion, we have these guys.



What do you want?

"Who are you? "

DS9 was fine. I liked it the most of the non STOS story arcs. One can like both. I just prefer the more galactic story arc of B5. Thats ok. I like Star Wars, BSG, and Firefly, and Quark in Space too.

djones520 wrote:I've been working through Enterprise, but I think I'll do DS9 next. Never seen more then a few episodes of it, so it'll mostly be pretty new for me.

Well if you've sat through Enterprise I admire your tenacity, DS9 will be like a breath of fresh air by comparison.

Pacific wrote:

djones520 wrote:I've been working through Enterprise, but I think I'll do DS9 next. Never seen more then a few episodes of it, so it'll mostly be pretty new for me.

Well if you've sat through Enterprise I admire your tenacity, DS9 will be like a breath of fresh air by comparison.

I second this. Sitting through Enterprise is a feat of courage and strength. You are god amongst men.

So I just started season 3. Starts with a 2 parter, the Defiant in the Gamma quadrant, fighting off armies of Jem Hadar, cool cool stuff.

Then they have the House of Quark... a Ferengi/Klingon episode. I braced for pain and...

It was pretty good. Armin Shimerman (Quark) really, really makes this disgusting little character work, and yeah, I realized that Max Grodénchik (Rom) really works great off of him.

In retrospect this show is not as good as B5 (there should be a B5 thread by me somewhere from 3, 4 years back). But of course B5 wasn't part of a franchise and could actually change things.

And I'm still bothered by how in B5 every other world was represented by a civilian Ambassador but Earth had a uniformed military officer. Didn't anyone notice that doesn't work?

And I like Sisko more than Sheredon.


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Kid_Kyoto wrote:So I just started season 3. Starts with a 2 parter, the Defiant in the Gamma quadrant, fighting off armies of Jem Hadar, cool cool stuff.

Then they have the House of Quark... a Ferengi/Klingon episode. I braced for pain and...

It was pretty good. Armin Shimerman (Quark) really, really makes this disgusting little character work, and yeah, I realized that Max Grodénchik (Rom) really works great off of him.

In retrospect this show is not as good as B5 (there should be a B5 thread by me somewhere from 3, 4 years back). But of course B5 wasn't part of a franchise and could actually change things.

And I'm still bothered by how in B5 every other world was represented by a civilian Ambassador but Earth had a uniformed military officer. Didn't anyone notice that doesn't work?

And I like Sisko more than Sheredon.


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It's all Riker's holodeck program.

Yeah.

That's how they end the last episode.

Computer end program.

I was kinda annoyed by that but at the same time i thought it was pretty funny...

I didn't mind, it let me forget that waste of a show.

You CANNOT have a show based on 'to boldly go where no one has gone before' and look backwards!

Which is why I can't stand the reboot either. That and the coinicidence-based plot. And the giant beer brewery on the Enterprise. And the chubby overbite Enterprise.

Stoopid reboot.

Woah, woah, woah! Simmer down! The reboot was actually quite entertaining, and I for one am looking forward to the sequel, so there!

I always enjoyed DS9, not watched as much of it as I should have. Sisko hating Picard always annoyed me though.

Never watched B5, i'll need to correct my transgression. Maybe watch a couple of episodes online then go for a boxset if all is good.

Medium of Death wrote:Woah, woah, woah! Simmer down! The reboot was actually quite entertaining, and I for one am looking forward to the sequel, so there!

As much as I agree with you, "The Giant Brewery" bugged the hell out of me. Seriously.

Boldly going where we went 50 years ago but this time with more product placement and oh yeah Kirk is 20 years old.

Medium of Death wrote:
Never watched B5, i'll need to correct my transgression. Maybe watch a couple of episodes online then go for a boxset if all is good.

As an ardent fan of B5, I warn you, the 1st season is ropey... It gets a lot better afterwards.


Enterprise is only watchable for one reason.



Way hotter than 7of9.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Boldly going where we went 50 years ago but this time with more product placement and oh yeah Kirk is 20 years old.

That's why I hate prequels in general. Don't get me started on Ep. I, II & III. We need to know what happens next a hell of a lot more than
how we got to here, IMHO. I found more to like than to hate on the ST reboot. Hell, Karl Urban's McCoy was almost worth it alone.


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MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:
Never watched B5, i'll need to correct my transgression. Maybe watch a couple of episodes online then go for a boxset if all is good.

As an ardent fan of B5, I warn you, the 1st season is ropey... It gets a lot better afterwards.


Enterprise is only watchable for one reason.



Way hotter than 7of9.

I love to watch 7 try to assimilate her....