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Cataphracts sound a bit odd, but thanks to wiktionary, it means 'fully armoured' which is a nice concept I suppose, but it doesn't sound like the most Eldar-y of names... they sounds like the Wraithguard version of Shadow Spectres.

@Fayric: thank you : )

The changes to the avatar is interresting. Smaller model could suggest joining in units, riding in transports, or even beeing able to ride a neat chariot.

And those are some big changes in playstyle.
Put him in a wraith guard mob and have some fun.

Fayric wrote:The changes to the avatar is interresting. Smaller model could suggest joining in units, riding in transports, or even beeing able to ride a neat chariot.

And those are some big changes in playstyle.
Put him in a wraith guard mob and have some fun.

Could be sounds like he might be more like a C'tan shard or have the option to be summoned. I already have 2 Avatars, if they actually come out with that model it will save me from doing a conversion.

In the end I hope to still be able to take him in his regular form, otherwise my FW Avatar will not get to see the tabletop anymore.

finnan wrote:Cataphracts sound a bit odd, but thanks to wiktionary, it means 'fully armoured' which is a nice concept I suppose, but it doesn't sound like the most Eldar-y of names...

IIRC the Adeptus Mechanicus already have a unit called Cataphracts

Although the word Cataphract usually refers to the armored shock cavalry in the ancient era (basically the precursors to knights)

I think The Avatar of the Young King is going to be different then the avatar of avatar of khaine. as the young king is the exarch that is sacrificed to khaine to make the avatar, perhaps the avatar of the young king can become the avatar of khaine at some point in the game. also all warpspiders getting power blades is broken and wreaks of ward.

Moon Sirens? Really? Although it might be fun as a battle cry

If this is a hoax, it's more proof that hoaxers are getting better.

Great information...thanks to everyone involved.

Thanks, KH! I updated the rumor tracker. It has been exhausting this morning. lol

Can't wait to see the new sculpts. Rules sound ok from what we hear so far. Sucks to be all those holding on to wraithguard though. Sounds like they'll change them enough people will have to buy more to play them with other options.

magusx613 wrote: also all warpspiders getting power blades is broken and wreaks of ward.

Uh, can we hold off on the chicken little screams just yet? We don't know if they're power blades, just CCWs, or merely decoration. Even if they were powerblades, they could be accounted for in the unit cost. i.e. 35 point warp spiders! OMG! They're so over-costed, they'll never make their points back! Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhh!

The only problem I see is that there is only 1 existing aspect redone in plastic (spiders), assuming that suppossed double kit as plastic.

Finecast for units doesn't look good, IMO (grotesques and wracks come to my mind instantly). If it has to exist, they should use it for IC, on individual creatures (avatar). That's why I don't have raptors for my CSM, or why my few eldars don't grow in number. But it is just a personal opinion, of course.

garrapignado wrote:The only problem I see is that there is only 1 existing aspect redone in plastic (spiders), assuming that suppossed double kit as plastic.

Finecast for units doesn't look good, IMO (grotesques and wracks come to my mind instantly). If it has to exist, they should use it for IC, on individual creatures (avatar). That's why I don't have raptors for my CSM, or why my few eldars don't grow in number. But it is just a personal opinion, of course.

I think he said Swooping Hawks would be plastic. The new Eldar walker on a Trygon base sounds like an Eldar Knight, which is pretty cool!

Brother SRM wrote:

garrapignado wrote:The only problem I see is that there is only 1 existing aspect redone in plastic (spiders), assuming that suppossed double kit as plastic.

Finecast for units doesn't look good, IMO (grotesques and wracks come to my mind instantly). If it has to exist, they should use it for IC, on individual creatures (avatar). That's why I don't have raptors for my CSM, or why my few eldars don't grow in number. But it is just a personal opinion, of course.

I think he said Swooping Hawks would be plastic. The new Eldar walker on a Trygon base sounds like an Eldar Knight, which is pretty cool!

And no one remembers the Shining Spears

Sigh

Ok, more than one. Missed about Hawks (so they will be in line with DE scourges: bigger wings, 3D pose) and shining spears (always forget them as aspect).

HOWEVER... I miss bashees, scorpions, dragons and reapers!

Cause they were already overcosted and are even moreso now in 6th.

They've been referring to Terminators as Cataphracts in some of the more recent Horus Heresy books, so they'll probably be some sort of heavy infantry, 2+ save unit.

Other than the cloak, the spirit warrior sounds like a very good adaptation of one of the old Eldar Knights.

I would prefer the one with four arms, though.

I liked the centauroid one with the lance, personally

I may have to kitbash a couple of wraithlords

Sounds like they're really opening up the Eldar range anyway.

Makes a change from the 3rd and 4th edition Codexes which essentially had the same content as 2nd edition (Autarchs added for 4th edition obviously).

magusx613 wrote:I think The Avatar of the Young King is going to be different then the avatar of avatar of khaine. as the young king is the exarch that is sacrificed to khaine to make the avatar, perhaps the avatar of the young king can become the avatar of khaine at some point in the game. also all warpspiders getting power blades is broken and wreaks of ward.

Had to do something. For the last 3 codexes (codicies?) we have had two jump infantry choices, but neither was hand to hand oriented. We had 2 HtH oriented aspects, with no delivery mechanism (in terms of transport, scorpions could infiltrate/outflank if you want to count that). Spiders really make a good choice for being a short ranged/HtH unit, leave the hawks to dropping bombs and shooting (really need to allow skyleap to happen in assault phase or make the grenades worth dropping though....or just a flying unit?). Overall, I'm most surprised we haven't heard anything about an open topped/assault transport (guessing one of the viper variants will be analogous to a venom though).

Little worried about the Avatar of the Young King. If it is a mini-avatar and doesn't replace the boss man, good times. If it turns out this is the replacement for the avatar, I am disapoint. Though it would mach up to the Avatar's status in fluff lately as "punching bag".

Neiru getting a model will be nice. He was one of the few new ideas from the 3rd codex that was interesting (in theory if not practice).

Hooray we may be getting a wraithguard assault unit, and they may get 2+ saves....now that we have real terminators as an option if we need a hammer unit. I guess it's about time and gives us an Eldar 2+ assault unit (supposition to the cataphract here), but pretty underwhelming at this point. Mixing cataphracts in the same unit with wraithguard to prevent the shooty death from getting tarpitted though....that thought makes me smile.

Can't wait for the rules. The new models are exciting, and if we are lucky enough to have Ward do the codex (Read: I want to be the OP army for once) then Eldar might be diverse and fun again.

This latest batch of updates seems almost too good to be true. I love how the new Wraithguard and Spirit Warriors and other Eldar mechs sound like. All in all it looks like this will be an incredible release especially if Jes Goodwin has sculpted a lot of this stuff. If it's as good as it sounds I'm re-starting my purple/black Altansar Eldar (http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics14/img4ae015ebc213f.jpg) again to be the ancient enemy of my new Necrons.

we don't need an assault transport we will have the webway gate if it works like it does in dawn of war it will be a building we can assault out of the turn we disembark and will be able to hold a lot if units, perhaps we will get 3 per fortification foc slot and can place them all over the board. then place units in the webway and disembark and ether location thus ignoring them being in reserves.

Therion wrote:This latest batch of updates seems almost too good to be true. I love how the new Wraithguard and Spirit Warriors and other Eldar mechs sound like. All in all it looks like this will be an incredible release especially if Jes Goodwin has sculpted a lot of this stuff. If it's as good as it sounds I'm re-starting my purple/black Altansar Eldar (http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics14/img4ae015ebc213f.jpg) again to be the ancient enemy of my new Necrons.

Gorgeous painting!!!

And as to what someone else said earlier, 2+ WG would be sweet. Or even CC oriented Guard would be sweet as well. I hope these new scuplts (if true) are on par with the awesome images I am coming up with in my head. A centaur like cavalry MC wraithlord would be awesome. Something like those guys from Retribution in War Machine maybe?

Mother of God. Looks like I'm finally gonna be able to build the Saim Hann army I wanted since I was a kid. Plastic Wraithguard don't even have me as excited as the Shining Spears, Exodites, and Spirit Walker.

magusx613 wrote:we don't need an assault transport we will have the webway gate if it works like it does in dawn of war it will be a building we can assault out of the turn we disembark and will be able to hold a lot if units, perhaps we will get 3 per fortification foc slot and can place them all over the board. then place units in the webway and disembark and ether location thus ignoring them being in reserves.

Tell that to the DE webway portal

I doubt it will counter the no assaults from reserve rule when the DE WWP doesn't, making it largely useless. Of course they could FAQ the WWP before then to remedy this and it would sound more plausible, lets hope they do that.

I am imagining it to be more like an eldar version of the Landing pad without the deepstrike restriction. Probably +1 to reserve rolls and can enter through it.

there webaway is moble, ours will be a static fortification that can't move thus it will be very different.

The new unit descriptions make me very excited for the new eldar. And first quarter isn't really that far off. I'll be saving my nickels and dimes for this release.


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Hmmm I do wonder if I can still use my FW Avatar when the next codex comes out. It'd be a shame if I couldn't I waited years to buy the thing. Pfft!

magusx613 wrote:there webaway is moble, ours will be a static fortification that can't move thus it will be very different.

Your making assumptions and so am I, the dark eldar wwp is MADE for assaulting and you can't assault from it. Personally I hope you can assault from both in the future but as it stands there is a big precedence in the DE wwp that it won't happen. My theory is it will allow vehicles through it and that will be the only major difference aside from deployment.

Ok, I was going to start an Eldar army tomorrow, but now I might just wait.

Only downside I see is that I really like the current range's Warp Spiders, Swooping Hawks and Dark Reapers.

Will they still be usable?

I doubt they'll edit them out, unitwise, but they may redo the models. They'll look outmoded, but still be usable. I use some truly ancient Dark Reapers with no complaints.

They're more likely to add new models than remove the existing ones (especially when they are as iconic as Eldar aspects), though they can and have done so before.

We won't know until they drop the new dex