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I get the impression that many of the OPs anecdotes end with "...and needless to say, I had the last laugh".

I'm hoping to get a lot more 40k games in this year, so it's good to have an idea of what to avoid!

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I think you missed the 13 dark lances in the list, firing at bs 4. The only mech list that concerns me is wave serpent spam.

I think you intentionally missed listing which choice you made in your army list on your ravagers (what? No templates?) and raiders so you can say what you want.
Also it depends on how many of those lances can uniquely target and got line of sight.
You have to hit hard or you die like a dog (glass cannon) when anyone shoots back.
All you have to do is hope no-one has any good terrain handy and you get to go first.
Brilliant tactics!

With vect i go first 75% of the time. And fast skimmers move 12" and fire at full ballistic, very easy to get targets in los.

You already mentioned the Vect stealing initiative earlier in the thread, 75% is good but not a sure thing (1 loss and 3 wins!).
Terrain would still allow some chances for complete (usually in their deployment zone) cover or partial cover (25% only needed).
What, no response to leaving out the various loadouts on your list until you want to argue it?
What, no response to what I assume is 3 targets with a good chance of a kill (3 ravagers with 3 DL each) and the four single shots from the Raiders (much less of a chance)?
Faced this before with Marines removing the DL's are the priority since the Venoms cannot do much without something squishy to shoot at.

Anyway, yes a list I have seen before, yes, you do get a fight on your hands but not "unbeatable" for sure.

<edit> This is a funny argument: OP does not view this as "cheese" but states clearly he laughs as he stomps everyone he takes on. So are we trying to justify the use of a tournament list for casual play or are we trying to argue with him on how to beat his list (which is easily doable)?

Rather pointless either way. Bored now, moving on...

 Talizvar wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I think you missed the 13 dark lances in the list, firing at bs 4. The only mech list that concerns me is wave serpent spam.

I think you intentionally missed listing which choice you made in your army list on your ravagers (what? No templates?) and raiders so you can say what you want.
Also it depends on how many of those lances can uniquely target and got line of sight.
You have to hit hard or you die like a dog (glass cannon) when anyone shoots back.
All you have to do is hope no-one has any good terrain handy and you get to go first.
Brilliant tactics!

With vect i go first 75% of the time. And fast skimmers move 12" and fire at full ballistic, very easy to get targets in los.

You already mentioned the Vect stealing initiative earlier in the thread, 75% is good but not a sure thing (1 loss and 3 wins!).
Terrain would still allow some chances for complete (usually in their deployment zone) cover or partial cover (25% only needed).
What, no response to leaving out the various loadouts on your list until you want to argue it?
What, no response to what I assume is 3 targets with a good chance of a kill (3 ravagers with 3 DL each) and the four single shots from the Raiders (much less of a chance)?
Faced this before with Marines removing the DL's are the priority since the Venoms cannot do much without something squishy to shoot at.

Anyway, yes a list I have seen before, yes, you do get a fight on your hands but not "unbeatable" for sure.

<edit> This is a funny argument: OP does not view this as "cheese" but states clearly he laughs as he stomps everyone he takes on. So are we trying to justify the use of a tournament list for casual play or are we trying to argue with him on how to beat his list (which is easily doable)?

Rather pointless either way. Bored now, moving on...

Thanks for your input! Have a wonderful day !

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I run:

Vect
5 venoms
4 raiders with splinter racks
3 ravagers
3x 3 trueborn with 2 splinter cannons each
50 warriors 3 w/ splinter cannons

Compared to the armies out there, i hardly view this as cheese...

Thats not cheese. Any army with 50 Warriors is just reliable. But not cheese. The vehicles pop like pimples as the game goes on.

I am surprised. It has none of the trademark cheddar in it. Its one hell of a load of firepower though. Ill give you that.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I run:

Vect
5 venoms
4 raiders with splinter racks
3 ravagers
3x 3 trueborn with 2 splinter cannons each
50 warriors 3 w/ splinter cannons

Compared to the armies out there, i hardly view this as cheese...

Thats not cheese. Any army with 50 Warriors is just reliable. But not cheese. The vehicles pop like pimples as the game goes on.

I am surprised. It has none of the trademark cheddar in it. Its one hell of a load of firepower though. Ill give you that.

I think the gist of the thread is that its not the list that's the problem, but the player. Something fishy's going on and the OP isn't being specific enough to answer the questions being asked. Also, his attitude isn't helping.

I see that after posting my response.

Look. Here's my take. This is not a cheddar list. On its own its just damn good and with minimal actual shinanigans. If the player is UNDER selling its potency, that's annoying but in the end, there's 20 lists I'd take more exception to than this if I even DID take exception at all.

Dalymiddleboro: come clean. This is an awesome reliable list. I think you should play it and not undersell it to opponents. No one hates anything more in this game than false modesty.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I run:

Vect
5 venoms
4 raiders with splinter racks
3 ravagers
3x 3 trueborn with 2 splinter cannons each
50 warriors 3 w/ splinter cannons

Compared to the armies out there, i hardly view this as cheese...

Thats not cheese. Any army with 50 Warriors is just reliable. But not cheese. The vehicles pop like pimples as the game goes on.

I am surprised. It has none of the trademark cheddar in it. Its one hell of a load of firepower though. Ill give you that.

I think the gist of the thread is that its not the list that's the problem, but the player. Something fishy's going on and the OP isn't being specific enough to answer the questions being asked. Also, his attitude isn't helping.

There's nothing fishy. I set up games with opponents, and play. Everything I've stated is accurate, not sure why people are calling it fishy... Jealousy maybe?

Is this serious?

Yes, I'm jealous of making up stories and bragging about it on the internet.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Yes, I'm jealous of making up stories and bragging about it on the internet.

Haha, bragging? Slightly, made up? Nope.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

There's nothing fishy. I set up games with opponents, and play. Everything I've stated is accurate, not sure why people are calling it fishy... Jealousy maybe?

See... I would have left the part after the elipse straight out of that post. I think that elipse right there encapsulates the problem you're REALLY having. You have to know that's not going to go over well. But you couldn't help yourself. You see yourself as unfairly "victimized".

I'll tell you a secret: you're not. People are reacting badly to your social skills. Even if every word is true...and it probably is... you're just pissing your audience off.

Stand on the strength of the list itself. Its very good. Dont drop into this "You mad bro" kinda crap.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

There's nothing fishy. I set up games with opponents, and play. Everything I've stated is accurate, not sure why people are calling it fishy... Jealousy maybe?

See... I would have left the part after the elipse straight out of that post. I think that elipse right there encapsulates the problem you're REALLY having. You have to know that's not going to go over well. But you couldn't help yourself. You see yourself as unfairly "victimized".

I'll tell you a secret: you're not. People are reacting badly to your social skills. Even if every word is true...and it probably is... you're just pissing your audience off.

Stand on the strength of the list itself. Its very good. Dont drop into this "You mad bro" kinda crap.

See, people are mad though. Also, they aren't my parent(s). My social skills are none of their concern, and it's not up to them to teach me or show me the way. I can say one thing, no matter what anyone says here in this thread, it won't change how I act one bit. Anyone trying to accomplish that is wasting their time. I'm getting paid right now... I don't mind.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

There's nothing fishy. I set up games with opponents, and play. Everything I've stated is accurate, not sure why people are calling it fishy... Jealousy maybe?

See... I would have left the part after the elipse straight out of that post. I think that elipse right there encapsulates the problem you're REALLY having. You have to know that's not going to go over well. But you couldn't help yourself. You see yourself as unfairly "victimized".

I'll tell you a secret: you're not. People are reacting badly to your social skills. Even if every word is true...and it probably is... you're just pissing your audience off.

Stand on the strength of the list itself. Its very good. Dont drop into this "You mad bro" kinda crap.

See, people are mad though. Also, they aren't my parent(s). My social skills are none of their concern, and it's not up to them to teach me or show me the way. I can say one thing, no matter what anyone says here in this thread, it won't change how I act one bit. Anyone trying to accomplish that is wasting their time. I'm getting paid right now... I don't mind.

Then don't act surprised or offended when people react negatively to your bad/arrogant attitude.
And I'm done here. You seem to be a troll. If you're not a troll, then you should re-examine how you interact with people on the internet.

I think we're done now.